The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Tucker]

The Argentine said it has been a source of frustration that choices made in the transfer market and regarding tactics have frequently been criticised before anyone has seen the results.

"We signed him one-and-a-half years ago from Southampton and the perception was, 'Oh we cannot introduce the player [as our first summer signing] because it looks like we don't have ambition.'

http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/totten...have-more-faith-in-me-and-the-club-pochettino

Poch reading SC.

Gazzaniga has been way better than I was expecting. Think he will be a top keeper for us if we keep him.

 

[mickdale]

Pochettino's urged Spurs' supporters to have more faith in his and the club's decisions, saying that greater belief among the fanbase would make Spurs stronger. He also says the media are largely responsible for negative perceptions.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Pochettino's urged Spurs' supporters to have more faith in his and the club's decisions, saying that greater belief among the fanbase would make Spurs stronger. He also says the media are largely responsible for negative perceptions.

Let's hope Poch never reads a game thread on here! Still it is the British way to find the negative in anything or anyone so Poch unfortunately this will never change

 

[midoshairband]

Was it not him who showed his empty pockets to the press with a “got no money” face?

Love Poch but he’s all over the shop on this point. He’s as guilty as anyone for venting about no transfers, then next second wants to make out like it’s just the fans but they take their lead from him.

Also Gazzaniga - having three non English keepers is a major blocker to new signings. So he can ridicule that all he wants but i think it’s disingenuous

Just as it is to say people were up in arms that Ben “I play CB for Wales” Davies was stepping in at CB

not entirely sure what any of that has got to do with how highly you think of a club, but OK.

 

['O Zio]

If Poch goes, is it a matter of buying him like a player or buying out his contract? As if he is like a transfer the money would be insane levy would be in a win situation even if he backs him buying players and Poch goes he can demand an insane amount as Poch is in high demand. Or is it a case of just paying up his contract.?

I want Poch to stay i think if he left it would break my heart he means more to me than my wife!

As far as I understand it he's under contract with no release clause so it's a bit like buying a player. Somewhere I read yesterday was saying he would cost Utd 40m but I've no idea where that figure came from. Presumably the fee would be at least the value of his contract, plus more for the inconvenience etc.

 

[vegassd]

So the fact they have won, and continue to win, major trophies isn't A) a factor in them as a club thinking they can just take our manager, because winning honours gives you status, and B) it not being a huge pull for any manager in world football to go to them?

We are absolutely on to something with how we have progressed and continue to progress. No doubt. What is actually irrelevant though is that they have declined to the point that currently we have a much better squad. Its irrelevant because, and I will say it again, they have won the FA cup, League cup and Europa League in the last 4 years and are a far far far bigger club than we are.

Real Madrid have won more than that and have a better squad than United but Poch said no to them.

Of course Poch will consider the United role if they offer it to him - he would be mad not to - but I very much doubt he will be looking at United's recent trophy wins as any sort of decision maker. He's able to make an appraisal of their squad strength based on the player's abilities and personalities as opposed to how many trophies they won with Mourinho. He will assess the footballing setup and his career potential without needing to look at how many trophies they won with Mourinho. He will receive promises/proposals from their board without reference to how many trophies they won with Mourinho.

I'm not saying that United don't have a pull by the way... I can certainly see the argument for them being the biggest club in the world. But that pull is based on a rich history of players and trophies. It's a grand old club with an enormous fan base and an expectation of victory. It's hard to not be swayed by that. But Ibrahimovich beating some 20 year olds from Amsterdam isn't much of a notch in that bedpost.

He's a smart lad is Poch, and a conscientious one too by all accounts. He will talk it over with his family and with his coaching team. He'll have discussions with the boards of Spurs and United. And I bet the number of trophies that Mourinho won with United will never get mentioned.

 

[worcestersauce]

It seems a few people think him going to Man Utd is all done, for that to be the case he would have to have been negotiating with them for weeks or months now but as he has a very good friendly relationship with Jose Mourinho that is obviously not the case, unless of course he phoned them the minute he heard Jose had been sacked or they phoned him and he immediately said yes which is also obviously not the case.
As I write this I am becoming even more convinced it is bollocks than when I started typing, I don't know how this will turn out but I do know we underestimate the man if we think he will just fall into United's arms because they are a big club, they'll have to come up with some pretty fancy goods to hook him.
Just a thought, if, as I've read, United are looking at a DOF way of working I'm not sure that will work with Poch so if they bring one in over the next few months I'll be quite happy.

 

[spursfan77]

Levy and poch will need to have a long talk. And somehow levy needs to find funds to help us push on. We will not be able to match the spending of the citys, chelseas or utds but we can't have another summer like the last one. Otherwise poch will just see it as impossible not to just improve but to hold onto cl place.

This is going to have already happened and if not I suspect it did yesterday after they’d drunk a vineyard’s worth of Malbec at their Christmas lunch!

There’s a reason Poch has already come out and said he’s committed to us for the length of his contract and the only way he’d leave is if he’s sacked by Levy. They’ve already spoken about all of this. It’s why I’m so relaxed about it.

 

[Typical Spurs]

Real Madrid have won more than that and have a better squad than United but Poch said no to them.

Of course Poch will consider the United role if they offer it to him - he would be mad not to - but I very much doubt he will be looking at United's recent trophy wins as any sort of decision maker. He's able to make an appraisal of their squad strength based on the player's abilities and personalities as opposed to how many trophies they won with Mourinho. He will assess the footballing setup and his career potential without needing to look at how many trophies they won with Mourinho. He will receive promises/proposals from their board without reference to how many trophies they won with Mourinho.

I'm not saying that United don't have a pull by the way... I can certainly see the argument for them being the biggest club in the world. But that pull is based on a rich history of players and trophies. It's a grand old club with an enormous fan base and an expectation of victory. It's hard to not be swayed by that. But Ibrahimovich beating some 20 year olds from Amsterdam isn't much of a notch in that bedpost.

He's a smart lad is Poch, and a conscientious one too by all accounts. He will talk it over with his family and with his coaching team. He'll have discussions with the boards of Spurs and United. And I bet the number of trophies that Mourinho won with United will never get mentioned.

You make some good points. I think the main basis of my points are that irrelevant of man utds decline, they have continued to win major honours and continue to be a totally massive club. That's all. In terms of trajectory we are no doubt moving upwards. Poch has done an amazing job with us.

 

[guiltyparty]

not entirely sure what any of that has got to do with how highly you think of a club, but OK.

The point I was addressing is Poch saying fans should have more belief in him and the club. I say Poch has on several occasions publicly vented about funds available so it seems disingenuous to me to effectively have a pop at the fans when they take their lead from the manager. If he can be frustrated, why can’t the fans?

Every managers decision whatever it is will be questioned by someone. But was there really a massive swell of disapproval for Davies at CB bearing in mind we know Dier, Sanchez and Jan were injured, he’s played there for us before and regularly for Wales? And Gazzaniga is great but isn’t being disappointed in him as a big signing just repeating back Poch’s frustrations?

I love me some Poch and if he stays, fucks off Utd and Real, incredible. But I think he’s off on this one. Seems to be creating a “I can’t please these fans” narrative that just seems completely not there

 

[spursfan77]

The Argentine said it has been a source of frustration that choices made in the transfer market and regarding tactics have frequently been criticised before anyone has seen the results.

"We signed him one-and-a-half years ago from Southampton and the perception was, 'Oh we cannot introduce the player [as our first summer signing] because it looks like we don't have ambition.'

http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/totten...have-more-faith-in-me-and-the-club-pochettino

Poch reading SC.

He’s right though isn’t he. The club are behaving like a big club, it’s time the supporters did too. It’s emphasised by the panic over the Man Utd links.

If that wasn’t happening we’d be all over these quotes. Poch doesn’t like any negative energy and comments about the club.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Gazzaniga has been way better than I was expecting. Think he will be a top keeper for us if we keep him.

Without Gazza may not have beaten Arsenal his straightforward distribution to start the setup for the two goals was in contrast to what happens most weeks when we try playing out from the back.

 

[tototoner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46639155

'Move it on' - Spurs object to Man Utd questions for Pochettino

 

[Lemon]

Just read in 442 that poch keeps a bowl of lemons in his office to soak up negative energy. Think levy needs to get a truck load.

Poch, basically, loves me.

 

[vegassd]

The point I was addressing is Poch saying fans should have more belief in him and the club. I say Poch has on several occasions publicly vented about funds available so it seems disingenuous to me to effectively have a pop at the fans when they take their lead from the manager. If he can be frustrated, why can’t the fans?

I don't think he's having a pop at the fans really. It's more a case of saying that having a negative opinion as your default position isn't really helpful to anyone. He talks a lot about getting players to have belief in themselves and not holding themselves back in fear of making an error. Now I think he's trying to extend/promote that kind of belief to the fans.

It's worth bearing in mind that something can be said in a press conference which is taken out of context when reported and then misinterpreted by the people who read it. Poch's commens about being brave last summer are a classic case... does being brave mean spending lots of money or does it mean not spending for the sake of it and believing in the current squad? It can be interpreted either way depending on your outlook I think.

When Poch opens his empty pockets maybe it's because he's bored to tears with questions about spending. We spent nothing in the summer yet are third in the league, in the CL knockouts and in the Carabao semis. But the questions about spending keep coming, so why not have a bit of a laugh? Again, something that can be interpreted multiple ways based on your outlook.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

As far as I understand it he's under contract with no release clause so it's a bit like buying a player. Somewhere I read yesterday was saying he would cost Utd 40m but I've no idea where that figure came from. Presumably the fee would be at least the value of his contract, plus more for the inconvenience etc.

They would have to buy out poch contract.

8.5m x4 = £34m

 

[Cavehillspur]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46639155

Dharmesh Sheth, sky sports wanker

 

[Scissors&Tape]

They would have to buy out poch contract.

8.5m x4 = £34m

Buying out a contract isn't paying out the player's or manager's remaining wages. It's the buying club paying the selling club to terminate it's contract with the player or manager. Barcelona didn't owe Neymar 200m in wages when PSG bought him.

The numbers are related, because they both reflect the value of the employee to the company. But nothing obligates either team to accept the remaining wages as the transfer fee.

 

[Rob]

I thought there was a new law that you could do exactly that, pay off the remaining wages to release someone from their contract.

However, everyone in football made a "gentlemen's agreement" to never do that as it'd cause chaos.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

I thought there was a new law that you could do exactly that, pay off the remaining wages to release someone from their contract.

However, everyone in football made a "gentlemen's agreement" to never do that as it'd cause chaos.

Yep. If poch quits and gets a new job the new club have to pay up him contract.