The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[aussie spur]

The unrest at Tottenham Hotspur runs deeper than just the first team

Good article in the Athletic (subscription required).

He also highlights ... Levy's difficulty in delegating authority, something that Levy is aware and trying to change.

How long have we heard that he is aware of it and trying to change....

 

[chrisd2k]

Looking forward to the next transfer window as we seem to have a ton of new ITKs who know exactly who Conte, Paratici and Levy wanted to sign and what their targets were. Exciting

 

[animalmom]

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

I invite you to browse the everton forums

 

[Stamford]

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

I don't blame our fans at all. The only thing I hate our fans for is their treatment of Emerson and Sanchez. They consistently turn up in numbers every single week and even did two years of Wembley. Our fans are not the problem

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

"Ryan Mason's Blue & White Army... WE WANT LEVY OUT" needs to be sung non stop all game.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Oh, the last 4 years have made me severely disillusioned with the club and it's almost made me a bit apathetic towards it.
But there will always be highs and lows no matter how good you are. Just a few years ago Pool couldn't get above 7th place, United's been subscribing to the Conference League, Chelsea have regularly imploded, Arsenal's been shit for years, Leicester was fighting for 4th just the other year, and are now genuinely threatened by relegation. About the only team that hasn't severely faltered in the last decade is City.

Yes, Levy should have done better.
But it's inevitable that there will be dips, especially as we hit the glass ceiling and tried to push on with a strategy almost every fan called for, and now that it's spectacularly failed we're seemingly trying to switch it up again.

Dips???? 1 trophy in 22 years? A dip ?

 

[fecka]

Dips???? 1 trophy in 22 years? A dip ?

How many trophies did we have in the 22 years prior to that? 5 cups - 3 FA & 1 League Cup when the cups actually meant something plus a European Cup (unless you want to count the community shield as well). It's not as if we were prime United or something when ENIC took over, but as I acknowledged 1 is not good enough.

However, the prem & European football is vastly more competitive now than it used to be. 15 years ago it was the Big 4 (which we were nowhere near) and with Newcastle now emerging it'll be, if not already, the Big 7. Despite that, we've been in several finals (albeit where we've gone out with a whimper) while trying to punch above our weight.

For example, since Pep arrived at City the average points total required to win the prem is something like 95, that's almost 10 points more on average than it was 15 years ago. In the 30 years since the prem launched our 87 points in the 16/17 season would for example have been enough for the title in more than half of them.

So yes, since Poch left I'd say, compared to the last two decades, we've so far only dipped.
What would you have it as?

 

[Trent Crimm]

How many trophies did we have in the 22 years prior to that? 5 cups - 3 FA & 1 League Cup when the cups actually meant something plus a European Cup (unless you want to count the community shield as well). It's not as if we were prime United or something when ENIC took over, but as I acknowledged 1 is not good enough.

However, the prem & European football is vastly more competitive now than it used to be. 15 years ago it was the Big 4 (which we were nowhere near) and with Newcastle now emerging it'll be, if not already, the Big 7. Despite that, we've been in several finals (albeit where we've gone out with a whimper) while trying to punch above our weight.

For example, since Pep arrived at City the average points total required to win the prem is something like 95, that's almost 10 points more on average than it was 15 years ago. In the 30 years since the prem launched our 87 points in the 16/17 season would for example have been enough for the title in more than half of them.

So yes, since Poch left I'd say, compared to the last two decades, we've so far only dipped.
What would you have it as?

I’d have it that we differing views of success over a long period of time re the football club.

and that you might actually be levy

 

[fecka]

I’d have it that we differing views of success over a long period of time re the football club.

and that you might actually be levy

There's no need to be a twat I'd say we'd likely have similar views on success, I likely just have a different perspective than you.

I didn't once say that Spurs has succeeded under Levy in either of my posts, rather I've twice admitted we haven't won enough. I'm just saying that the club is in an objectively superior state than it was 22 years ago before Levy took over, something you haven't given any points or arguments to that would contradict my statement. But I take you're so blind in your disregard towards ENIC and Levy that anything that's even remotely different to your perspective means I must love him?

 

[Trent Crimm]

There's no need to be a twat I'd say we'd likely have similar views on success, I likely just have a different perspective than you.

I didn't once say that Spurs has succeeded under Levy in either of my posts, rather I've twice admitted we haven't won enough. I'm just saying that the club is in an objectively superior state than it was 22 years ago before Levy took over, something you haven't given any points or arguments to that would contradict my statement. But I take you're so blind in your disregard towards ENIC and Levy that anything that's even remotely different to your perspective means I must love him?

Okay. Did I call you a twat? No. Whatever.

 

[thePessimist]

Okay. Did I call you a twat? No. Whatever.

you did call him levy though

 

[Whitey]

2001 - ENIC take over with a goal of getting us into Champions League
2006- We come close missing out on the last day of the season. ENIC decide a change is needed to push over the line.
2008 - Win League cup
2010 - we finally achieve CL qualification for the first time. Quite the achievement given our league finished prior to ENIC takeover and how competitive the league is.
2011 - A new era at the club begins with a vision to cement us as consistent CL side and build a new stadium
2019 - Make CL final, stadium built, consistent CL qualification, global exposure massively increased. Focus now shifts to winning things. Appoint one of the most widely respected managers in world football with a proven track record to help get us over the line (Mourinho).
2021 - Mourinho does not work out. Another elite manager with a proven winning record is appointed (Conte). Significant funds are spent to back him. Again we fail to win anything.

I think broad strokes that's the last 20 years. We clearly have a strategy and a vision. It has just happened a lot slower than many fans would like and ultimately we have failed to win things despite best efforts in the last few years.

People paint the club as a sh*t show with no ambition, no plan. A lot of people like to think the sky is falling down. It's really not. The stick to beat Levy with is our lack of trophies despite best efforts and a sensible approach. That's a fair, balanced criticism. People should stick to that but they should also understand how difficult it is to win things and how competitive the league is.

If Levy had invested half as wisely finically and with strategy in the "on pitch" affairs as he has on "off pitch" fans would be ecstatic..... I've posted before, Levy has set THFC up to thrive with out the need to win a trophy.... The real question is.... will fans put up with it and still shell out their hard earn £'s on match/concerts/NFL/F1/Rugby/Boxing...That's a big fat yes.... So will Daniel change his spots???? I hope so..... but that's the delusional Spurs fan in me COYS

 

[easley91]

This thread has turned into childish arguments and name calling, especially if you give Levy any credit for the good he has done since he joined the club, and you want to tell me we're not toxic?

It's not just on a forum either. It's on all forms of social media, and more importantly in the ground at games. Who the F boos their own player coming on and with every touch then sarcastically cheers when he goes off? Happened to Emerson, as well as Sanchez this season alone. This fanbase does have a right to be angry, frustrated and upset, but it is incredibly toxic at the same time.

Oh and this lovely fanbase forced Pedro Porro off of socia media. The lad only joined end of January and has played for 3 managers in 3 months. Yeah definitely not toxic are we?

Some fans started singing for Poch, even though there was no indication of him coming back whatsoever. They built that return up in their own heads and somehow blame Levy for him potentially going to Chelsea.

The fans are more divided than ever. Some ENIC/Levy Out groups don't even know what they're doing and can't decide how to proceed. It's pathetic to see really. If you're going to do it, get ONE big group and protest in a specific way rather than several groups and several small protests or ideas.

Levy either needs to go completely, or Munn has to have full 100% control of the football side of the club.

 

[codspur]

This thread has turned into childish arguments and name calling, especially if you give Levy any credit for the good he has done since he joined the club, and you want to tell me we're not toxic?

It's not just on a forum either. It's on all forms of social media, and more importantly in the ground at games. Who the F boos their own player coming on and with every touch then sarcastically cheers when he goes off? Happened to Emerson, as well as Sanchez this season alone. This fanbase does have a right to be angry, frustrated and upset, but it is incredibly toxic at the same time.

Some fans started singing for Poch, even though there was no indication of him coming back whatsoever. They built that return up in their own heads and somehow blame Levy for him potentially going to Chelsea.

The fans are more divided than ever. Some ENIC/Levy Out groups don't even know what they're doing and can't decide how to proceed. It's pathetic to see really. If you're going to do it, get ONE big group and protest in a specific way rather than several groups and several small protests or ideas.

Levy either needs to go completely, or Munn has to have full 100% control of the football side of the club.

Yeah I saw one of the groups on twitter yesterday and their list of ideas for a protest was like a menu of options.
Personally I think if they all get together and said support the team then when Half time comes stay and chant at Levy then. You will be heard loud and clear and will get the TV summarisers attention if loud enough....also you wouldn't be on the concourse buying beer or food and giving them more money

This way you can support the team and make your feelings on Levy and the board known.

Surely more effective than walk out after 22 mins of start or 22 mins before end, or stand outside the ground.

 

[mattspur1986]

Here is a stat for people who STILL back him, 10% of his tenure we’ve had caretaker managers in charge, that’s the equivalent of 2 years.

 

[cliff jones]

My biggest frustration has been watching us under Conte this season . He did a great job last season getting us CL, but this season we never got going. The football has been dreadful and in my 19 years of having a season ticket I've never enjoyed going to games less than I have now.

Some things I would have done differently:

1. I would both lower ticket prices and include home cup and european games in the price, like we used to.

2. I would have made sure that the DoF had an ethos which aligned to that of the club so his decisions reflected that.

3. I wouldn't have sold Berbatov on deadline day.

4. I wouldn't have allowed Dembele to leave mid-season without a replacement coming in.

5. I wouldn't have chased glory by appointing Jose and then Conte. I would have appointed a manager who was in it for the long term.

Vote for me!!

Good post mate, it’s the over-pricing that put me in the ousting camp long before most. People slate Wembley, but it was great, at least for a while- and credit to him for that. I came back from overseas to accessible, well priced STs with my son. We could choose anywhere in the ground.

Then, moving to the new Lane, suddenly it’s quite a bit more than Club Wembley was, and NW corner only for concessions. It’s so short sighted, not to open up the whole ground to kids at concessionary prices- these are mainly kids from Spurs families- our future as a Club.

The product on the pitch has not been remotely worth the pricing since the wheels fell off in Jose’s reign.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Here is a stat for people who STILL back him, 10% of his tenure we’ve had caretaker managers in charge, that’s the equivalent of 2 years.

I know being balanced that under Levy's tenure we've also improved our league position and at times we were on a nice upward trajectory signing young and British players at our core with a sprinkling of European experience etc but as soon as we went away from that type of model it all fell apart and this list is just far far too many mistakes on the football side and shows a complete and utter lack of planning or understanding in terms of football strategy.

This tweet has nailed it. Any other CEO in charge of a company or football club who has made so many wrong decisions and at the wrong time etc would've been fired 100x over by now and not its not just hindsight so many of these decisions were obviously bad and if your everyday football fan can see that then the fact that Levy and the board can't shows that they're in the wrong job.

 

[cliff jones]

How many trophies did we have in the 22 years prior to that? 5 cups - 3 FA & 1 League Cup when the cups actually meant something plus a European Cup (unless you want to count the community shield as well). It's not as if we were prime United or something when ENIC took over, but as I acknowledged 1 is not good enough.

However, the prem & European football is vastly more competitive now than it used to be. 15 years ago it was the Big 4 (which we were nowhere near) and with Newcastle now emerging it'll be, if not already, the Big 7. Despite that, we've been in several finals (albeit where we've gone out with a whimper) while trying to punch above our weight.

For example, since Pep arrived at City the average points total required to win the prem is something like 95, that's almost 10 points more on average than it was 15 years ago. In the 30 years since the prem launched our 87 points in the 16/17 season would for example have been enough for the title in more than half of them.

So yes, since Poch left I'd say, compared to the last two decades, we've so far only dipped.
What would you have it as?

So, 5 cups v 1. No need for the rest of it. Cheers

 

[mattspur1986]

Agree

I know being balanced that under Levy's tenure we've also improve our league position and at times we were on a nice upward trajectory signing young and British players at our core with a sprinkling of European experience etc but as soon as we went away from that type of model it all fell apart and this list is just far far too many mistakes on the football side and show a complete and utter lack of planning or understanding in terms of football strategy.

This tweet has nailed it. Any other CEO in charge of a company or football club who has made so many wrong decisions and at the wrong time etc would've been fired 100x over by now and not its not just hindsight so many of these decisions were obviously bad and if your everyday football fan can see that then the fact that Levy and the board can't shows that they're in the wrong job.

This is the thing, I don’t think any of us can argue with what he’s done for the infrastructure of the club, but the footballing side of it is a calamity aside from maybe 4? 5years - and I don’t care what people say, he lucked out with poch! He wasn’t first choice and it was only due to van gaal going to utd, we didn’t appoint him & that would had been another disastrous appointment.(eveb if van gaal was the preferred choice by the fans at the time)

genuinely cannot believe he is still top dog, and giving himself a pay rise! Beggars belief!

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Let’s see what the crowd does tonight …