The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Wiener]

This annoys me.

People have been complaining for years about Levy's approach.
Now it's finally come back and fucked us over you're suggesting it's all "hindsight" and "retrospect".
Likewise, if everyone starts quoting all the concerns that have ended up true, I suspect they'll be statements like "I told you so isn't going to help anyone right now".

It's the same argument that Brexiteers are using. People have been highlighting the isues for years but they're dismissed until they get so big that they can't be ignored but then "we need to look forward" and "it's no time for recriminations".

Fuck Levy.

I find it equally annoying that people are so profoundly negative about our current situation. It's bad, and no spurs fan is enjoying but to suggest that we are in self-inflicted long-term decline (your analogy to post-Brexit England) I just cannot see.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Everything you seen happening last 22 years almost like football isn’t the priority and ambition isn’t to win things, only conclusion I can draw, example after example, year after year.

 

[brasil_spur]

This isn't aimed at you in any way but thought I would just highlight your point. I couldn't give a fuck about the non-footballing side. I think some fans support Spurs as much as a business than they do a football club.

The non footballing side does however, in theory, have an impact on the footballing side though.

World class academy and training facilities = ability to attract and develop youth prospects.
World class stadium = ability to generate revenue streams to pay higher wages and increase footballing operating costs.

Without either of the two above elements there's only so far a club can progress in the long term. You might get a few seasons of success but then can quickly start dropping down the league and get relegated.

Levy has done a fantastic job on this front. Where he has made a colossal fuck up is by then not properly allowing us to take advantage of these on the footballing side.

We're not bringing youth prospects through (partly because we hired a manager (Conte) who doesn't promote up youth).
We're not competing on transfers and wages because the footballing side is broken and we have no coherent strategy.

With a footballing strategist on board who has control over all footballing matters we can very quickly become a top 10 European club, again. But if we continue to let the bald headed **** run the show then all the above will go to waste.

 

[Rob]

to suggest that we are in self-inflicted long-term decline (your analogy to post-Brexit England) I just cannot see.

Which metric would you like to use to show we're not in decline?
Aging squad, star players coming to end of contracts, no trophies, worst league position in years, worst goals conceded in years, etc.

 

[Wiener]

I am seriously(genuinely) starting to wonder if you are a club PR plant tbh.

Trust me. They wouldn't bother.

 

[JayB]

Just waking up to the news here in the States. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Levy is pathologically obsessive over “winning” every negotiation, which in his warped worldview are zero-sum games rather than opportunities for mutual benefit.

His megalomaniacal ego is destroying the club and nothing will change so long as he remains in power.

 

[Wiener]

Which metric would you like to use to show we're not in decline?
Aging squad, star players coming to end of contracts, no trophies, worst league position in years, worst goals conceded in years, etc.

I said long-term decline. It's been a shit season, but before Conte lost total interest (pre-World Cup) we were well placed. I am surprised how little anger is directed at Conte, not so much for losing interest, but for his totally unprofessional rant after the Southampton game which has fed the media frenzy.

I agree that the squad needs work but we have a good core to work with (Romero, Betancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison). Kane may stay (admittedly I wouldn't). There is some decent youth coming through. There is plenty to do but with the right DOF we should have some funds to buy what we need.

My point is that it is fixable.

 

[brasil_spur]

I find it equally annoying that people are so profoundly negative about our current situation. It's bad, and no spurs fan is enjoying but to suggest that we are in self-inflicted long-term decline (your analogy to post-Brexit England) I just cannot see.

Then you have your eyes closed.

It's very possible (if not quite likely at this point) that we end this season with our worst points total since 08/09.

In the last 12 seasons we've only got less than 69 points in a season on 3 occasions - 14/15, 19/20 and 20/21. This season will be the 4th in 12 years and the 3rd in 4 years.

We are 100% a club in decline right now, worse than we've seen at any point since we sacked Jol and replaced him with Ramos and even in that season we won a cup.

 

[rabbikeane]

Perhaps you don't speak for the majority of fans. Those voicing unreasonable grievances and making futile demands are luckily a small minority.

Our club has made substantial progress under Levy while Newcastle, West Ham and Manure have not over the past 20 years. Those are all very badly run clubs (as are most clubs). I would also argue that the fans had little impact on decisions made by the owners.

The best we can hope for is that Levy delegates footballing decisions to a competent and experienced DOF and hires a coach who plays progressive and entertaining football. I do think that is what Levy is trying to do.

Last 5 years we've been just as badly run as Everton/WestHam/Newcastle.

 

[Wiener]

I'm talking purely about the fanbase expressing their anger/disapproval.

Ashley sold up, Glazers have the club up for sale, GSB sold a large stake.

Can I ask you say hes been good over 20 years. What have we got to show for it than in say 30/40 years you can look back on?

Sure. I enjoyed the Jol, Redknapp and Poch years. We've had great players and proper football in that time. I personally don't think success is defined only by winning things. It's mostly the journey for me.

Not sure I will be doing much looking back in 30/40 years.

 

[Stamford]

I said long-term decline. It's been a shit season, but before Conte lost total interest (pre-World Cup) we were well placed. I am surprised how little anger is directed at Conte, not so much for losing interest, but for his totally unprofessional rant after the Southampton game which has fed the media frenzy.

I agree that the squad needs work but we have a good core to work with (Romero, Betancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison). Kane may stay (admittedly I wouldn't). There is some decent youth coming through. There is plenty to do but with the right DOF we should have some funds to buy what we need.

My point is that it is fixable.

Everything is fixable, the point is they arent trying to fix it. We are in the same farce we are in as last summer. We arent learning at all. How is this hard to fathom

 

[Dougal]

And my email for tickets to Spurs v Leicester in Bangkok has arrived. Even though if that game was being played in my back garden I’d close the curtains, board up the back door and tell my family to start packing.

 

[Japhet]

Just waking up to the news here in the States. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Levy is pathologically obsessive over “winning” every negotiation, which in his warped worldview are zero-sum games rather than opportunities for mutual benefit.

His megalomaniacal ego is destroying the club and nothing will change so long as he remains in power.

Can't argue with that. He obsessively tries to pull his opponents pants down every single time and everyone must now know that he's a pain in the arse to deal with, but he still keeps on and on doing it. There should always be a bit of good will on both sides at the beginning of any negotiation but I doubt there's any towards Levy after years and years of being a prick to deal with. Reap what you sew and all that.

 

[dontcallme]

You do realise that what goes on this site is just a bunch of very frustrated fans voicing their opinions. We are not actually doing anything in the sense that we have no agency over decisions made by Levy and co. I'd say thinking you do is a little unhinged.

The last twenty years have been mostly good. To describe Levy as an incompetent or someone who doesn't want the best for the club is just silly.

It's easy to criticise in retrospect as it is to allow your frustration to cloud the facts.

I appreciate you trying to stick to your guns and I don't want to change your view. But making out this is all retrospect or hindsight is the purest nonsense imaginable.

 

[YB123]

Sure. I enjoyed the Jol, Redknapp and Poch years. We've had great players and proper football in that time. I personally don't think success is defined only by winning things. It's mostly the journey for me.

Not sure I will be doing much looking back in 30/40 years.

That explains it....

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

haha

 

[Dougal]

Sure. I enjoyed the Jol, Redknapp and Poch years. We've had great players and proper football in that time. I personally don't think success is defined only by winning things. It's mostly the journey for me.

Not sure I will be doing much looking back in 30/40 years.

3 managers who didn’t win a trophy. Fuck trophies. That’s the carrot we’ve had dangling in front of us that has allowed Levy to do untold damage to the club. And still he hasn’t delivered. Let’s get back to basics. Giving the crowd something worth watching.

 

[Rob]

I said long-term decline. It's been a shit season, but before Conte lost total interest (pre-World Cup) we were well placed. I am surprised how little anger is directed at Conte, not so much for losing interest, but for his totally unprofessional rant after the Southampton game which has fed the media frenzy.

I agree that the squad needs work but we have a good core to work with (Romero, Betancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison). Kane may stay (admittedly I wouldn't). There is some decent youth coming through. There is plenty to do but with the right DOF we should have some funds to buy what we need.

My point is that it is fixable.

We've floundered since we sacked Poch for daring to claim that we needed a "painful rebuild". He was absolutely right and we've declined over the past 4 years.

You've named 4 players, 1 of which has a serious injury, 2 of which the jury's still very much out on and the other has massive holes in his game in terms of discipline. The fact you only named those 4 shows a lot. We'll soon have 1st choice no goalkeeper, no 20-goal plus striker, no creative midfielder and we'll be significantly lacking in the spine of the team.

We're in long-term decline UNLESS we do something about it now. That's in parallel to the likes of Newcastle overtaking us.

 

[Gingernut]

You do realise that what goes on this site is just a bunch of very frustrated fans voicing their opinions. We are not actually doing anything in the sense that we have no agency over decisions made by Levy and co. I'd say thinking you do is a little unhinged.

The last twenty years have been mostly good. To describe Levy as an incompetent or someone who doesn't want the best for the club is just silly.

It's easy to criticise in retrospect as it is to allow your frustration to cloud the facts.

On the pitch? really?

 

[Gingernut]

Which metric would you like to use to show we're not in decline?
Aging squad, star players coming to end of contracts, no trophies, worst league position in years, worst goals conceded in years, etc.

but but but....the Beyonce concerts in the lovely stadium