The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[dontcallme]

but but but....the Beyonce concerts in the lovely stadium

TBH it's posts like this that really don't help.

The amount of Levy posts that criticise our improved financial situation, is truly bizarre.

 

[Wiener]

I appreciate you trying to stick to your guns and I don't want to change your view. But making out this is all retrospect or hindsight is the purest nonsense imaginable.

My point the criticism is excessive. I did not say there is legitimate criticism.

Putting across an unpopular point of view is pretty hard in the hostile environment of this thread.

 

[superted4]

I said long-term decline. It's been a shit season, but before Conte lost total interest (pre-World Cup) we were well placed. I am surprised how little anger is directed at Conte, not so much for losing interest, but for his totally unprofessional rant after the Southampton game which has fed the media frenzy.

I agree that the squad needs work but we have a good core to work with (Romero, Betancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison). Kane may stay (admittedly I wouldn't). There is some decent youth coming through. There is plenty to do but with the right DOF we should have some funds to buy what we need.

My point is that it is fixable.

I’ll give you conte was unprofessional in what he did, but he’s got precious for that. There’s no way he would have taken the job unless he was given assurances and they were simply not met.
I’ve said it many times, why oh why did the club make such a fanfare of making £150m available yet only £100m was.

that’s the difference with Levy, he’s all talk and no action, he’s happy to go along with anything and then as soon as the wind changes he changes his mind. Will never change, Paratici employed under a fanfare and he’s responsible for all football matters, fast forward 2 years, munn is appointment to be in charge of all football matters.

some said earlier it’s just negligence by Levy and the board

 

[Wiener]

3 managers who didn’t win a trophy. Fuck trophies. That’s the carrot we’ve had dangling in front of us that has allowed Levy to do untold damage to the club. And still he hasn’t delivered. Let’s get back to basics. Giving the crowd something worth watching.

The only bit of that I agree with are your 2 last sentences.

 

[dontcallme]

My point the criticism is excessive. I did not say there is legitimate criticism.

Putting across an unpopular point of view is pretty hard in the hostile environment of this thread.

Which is why I appreciate you trying to do it. For the 1st 10 years I was very much in favour of Levy. But the criticisms he is now getting, were present during those years too. So you making out it is hindsight or retrospect is simply not true.

If Levy had stepped down after 10 years, we'd have seen us become a top 6 club, despite Chelsea and City's oil money, and a lot of improvement. He'd be looked back on very positively by most.

But in my opinion, the game changed with the excessive money and Levy never adjusted to this. He is a control freak but keeps on getting big decisions wrong.

We're now seeing the stagnation that goes with this, at a time when if we were run well, we'd be booming.

 

[AngryBob]

Is this now the flat earth thread?

 

[jurgen]

TBH it's posts like this that really don't help.

The amount of Levy posts that criticise our improved financial situation, is truly bizarre.

I don't think they're necessarily said to criticise our improved financial situation, but more that the priorities of the club are not set up correctly to excel at football, and that much more attention seems to have been given to revenue generating concerns. Of course we need to do that work, but it should be servicing football and football must be the club's primary focus.

I believe a few years back the argument was that once the stadium was built, we'd be financially huge and everything would solve itself. Personally I was always suspicious of that being the case, and so it's not hindsight.

And yes, since the stadium opened we have invested more in players (though that wasn't hard), albeit still keeping more financial head room than any other club in the world.

Instead what has been revealed is a complete lack of vision, or even mere competency, from those upstairs. In many ways this is even more scary than simply being tightwads because it means our chairman and de-facto director of football has no idea how to succeed even with a financial powerhouse of a club.

 

[Wiener]

We've floundered since we sacked Poch for daring to claim that we needed a "painful rebuild". He was absolutely right and we've declined over the past 4 years.

You've named 4 players, 1 of which has a serious injury, 2 of which the jury's still very much out on and the other has massive holes in his game in terms of discipline. The fact you only named those 4 shows a lot. We'll soon have 1st choice no goalkeeper, no 20-goal plus striker, no creative midfielder and we'll be significantly lacking in the spine of the team.

We're in long-term decline UNLESS we do something about it now. That's in parallel to the likes of Newcastle overtaking us.

The fact that you state as fact that Kane is leaving slightly weakens your argument. I don't expect him to stay but he might.

I guess we will have to see what Levy does.

 

[dontcallme]

I don't think they're necessarily said to criticise our improved financial situation, but more that the priorities of the club are not set up correctly to excel at football, and that much more attention seems to have been given to revenue generating concerns. Of course we need to do that work, but it should be servicing football and football must be the club's primary focus.

I believe a few years back the argument was that once the stadium was built, we'd be financially huge and everything would solve itself. Personally I was always suspicious of that being the case, and so it's not hindsight.

And yes, since the stadium opened we have invested more in players (though that wasn't hard), albeit still keeping more financial head room than any other club in the world.

Instead what has been revealed is a complete lack of vision, or even mere competency, from those upstairs. In many ways this is even more scary than simply being tightwads because it means our chairman and de-facto director of football has no idea how to succeed even with a financial powerhouse of a club.

I don't think Levy fucks up because of priorities. I think he fucks up because he's a control freak.

He's in charge of the stadium and did a great job at this because this is where his expertise is.

He's in charge of the football side and fucks up because he's terrible at this and doesn't hire the right people to do the job or give them the freedom to do it.

We are spending bigger now the stadium is built. We're just doing it badly.

 

[WhiteStripe]

It’s quite astounding there are still people supporting the bald bastard still. Astounding.

 

[dontcallme]

It’s quite astounding there are still people supporting the bald bastard still. Astounding.

People? Only 1 in this thread that I can see.

 

[wrd]

I find it equally annoying that people are so profoundly negative about our current situation. It's bad, and no spurs fan is enjoying but to suggest that we are in self-inflicted long-term decline (your analogy to post-Brexit England) I just cannot see.

I think I need to understand your definition of decline, long term and self inflicted.

To me decline is based on the metric of measurement and my metric could be, League position, consistency in champions league, positions in cups, points per season.

All of those metrics in a 4 year period are on a decline overall in relation to the previous 4 years. We were consecutively in the champions league (qualified for it) 4 years in a row. We have done so once since.

We have gone from 4 years of Champions League football, to one in 4, to appearing in the europa league, to europa conference league to potentially no Europe. In Mathematical terms, that is definitively a decline.

Our points per season despite 1 spike has been on a decline. we went from Champions League Final to not getting past the opening knock out twice. We have seen a decline in semi final appearances.

What Metric are you considering Long term? Because from our season from based on league position and points tally was 2016/2017, that's 6 year. Our season before that was our 2nd best. We are about to finish at best 7th and most likely 8th.

The last time we finished 8th was 2008/2009. That's 14 years, the lowest position after that was 6th. So from 2010 to 2021, we finished top6 every season, that's 11 years. So the very best we can hope for is two 7 place finishes happening in 3 years after 14 without finishing lower than 6th. It's actually going to be 8th making it the worst season in 14 years.

How can your definition of Long-Term evade those statistics?

What is your definition of Self-Inflicted?

We had a manager on a long term contract who reached the champions league final, we chose to sack him 2 years into it and chose to do so by appointing a manager of a philosophy that was a stark contrast to what had come before, despite choosing to spend 100 million players on players who not only were signed with the knowledge that they needed adaption but fit the old style, who didn't fit the manager. Instead of finding a manager that could build upon, what he had achieved, we chose to transition to a style that didn't align with our previous decisions. We chose to sack him one year into that project, we chose to release a manifesto claiming that we were going back to our values. We then chose to hire a DoF who chose to hire a manager who didn't fit those values. We chose to sack that manager within 3 months, we then chose another manager who made clear what he needed to be successful, both publicly and by his word, privately. We chose that we didn't want to follow that route by choosing to not meet his transfer demands and continue with him. We then chose to sack him whilst he was in 3rd and now will finish 7th or 8th.

How can your definition of self-inflicted not be covered by those choices?

I'm staying on point and I would love you to answer because I am being earnest, you said you can't see. I decided to point you where you needed to look.

 

[Springerding]

Who wakes up on match day and thinks i cant wait to see what business deal Levy has done today?
Nobody!
#Levyout

 

[Rob]

The fact that you state as fact that Kane is leaving slightly weakens your argument. I don't expect him to stay but he might.

I guess we will have to see what Levy does.

Yes, my slight hyperbole maybe slightly weakens my argument. It doesn't dimiss it all though and there's a strong chance we have 1 year of Kane left.

 

[dontcallme]

Who wakes up on match day and thinks i cant wait to see what business deal Levy has done today?
Nobody!
#Levyout

No one. But how does him running the business side well become a criticism?

 

[Scot-Spur]

He really needs to go, I fail to believe he can’t see that he and the board are causing more harm than good.

 

[Huddlebone]

Levy has made me fall out of love with Tottenham. I have been a fan ever since age of 10 when I saw Tom Huddlestone, Robbie Keane and Berbatovs first season. Now I dont feel anything towards the club, Now the club feels like a wife that you love because of how much good memories you once have had but know if this keeps on going the love will turn into hate, like many of our fans feel today towards levy. I hate him, I love the memory of Spurs please give me my club back!

 

[Dunc2610]

Whilst I'd like to see him move away from the football operations, is right now the time, we'd then have no DOF, no manager and no chairman, that surely puts us in an even worse position?

 

[soflapaul]

I said long-term decline. It's been a shit season, but before Conte lost total interest (pre-World Cup) we were well placed. I am surprised how little anger is directed at Conte, not so much for losing interest, but for his totally unprofessional rant after the Southampton game which has fed the media frenzy.

I agree that the squad needs work but we have a good core to work with (Romero, Betancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison). Kane may stay (admittedly I wouldn't). There is some decent youth coming through. There is plenty to do but with the right DOF we should have some funds to buy what we need.

My point is that it is fixable.

Agree that Conte was a significant part of the problem but that's far from the root cause. He just made it worse.

Regarding "fixable", it is but there is little evidence that our board/DL have the smarts to do whatever it takes. The history of half measures would make fixing it an anomaly.

 

[g_harry]

No one. But how does him running the business side well become a criticism?

Think they are highlighting were the Boards priority is. The football side of things are being neglected or they just aren't as important.