The Self Preservation Society

[tony_parkes]

It does make me laugh, the hypocricy and hyperbole that this type of thing produces, how Henry is vilified. There are injustices in nearly every game played. It is part of the game. And Obviously when those injustice are critical ones, they highlight the injustices and weakness of the “game”. And I support the call for video tech to become part of the game.

But what has Henry done. He has handled the ball, So what? All Players seek to gain unfair advantages all the time in football, the greater crimes is diving, as this not only is trying to gain an unfair advantage, the pen or free kick. But is also getting an opposition player booked or sent off for doing nothing. A double cheat if you will, where as handling the ball, pulling, pushing etc is a singular cheat.

It is not up to Henry to ref the game. The player should not be so castrated for this, If you want to complain and or blame, this should clearly be aimed at the official/s. for not seeing and giving the hand ball. Its not Henrys “fault” it is bad officialing “fault”

Its also worth remembering he didn’t score with his hand, where were the defense?

The crys for replays, the if the goal had been disallowed we would in the WC..etc.

Whilst we all know the replay was never going to be, IMO, the IFA calling for it, whilst makes them look like spoilt petulant kids, with the “it’s the only just and fair thing to do” kind of rallying call, is just plain silly and hypocrisy in its purest form. Where were theses replay calls in the Irish need for only winning fairly and justly when Ireland played Georgia, and the ludicrous penalty awarded to Ireland? Which was more unjust? The greater injustice between these two is at least arguable, which makes them of the same stature. But all they BOTH are, are examples of poor officialing.

Had the goal not stood, it was still 1-1(over 2 legs) with potentially lots of time to play and even pens to decide the outcome of the game. So it’s a little silly to shout we would have won etc.

Why not just blame Oshea( I think it was him) who should have scored earlier with a fairly easy chance, And there by winning the match?

The simple reason that Ireland are not going to the world cup, is not because of Henry, it is not because of poor officialing, It is because they were not good enough to get through the qualifying stages.

The only thing I do think is wrong, is the decision to seed the play off games. I think its wrong, only because this was a change in the competition format, after the competition had started. And that is just plain wrong.

That's a bold statement life of, a bold post if ever there was.

 

[worcestersauce]

I don’t buy this hypocrisy thing from the F A I and I don’t accept that they behaved like petulant children, it was just a business decision. The Henry incident was deliberate handball, he cheated again but what you gonna do about it? The ref didn’t see it so he couldn’t give it so that’s that. The real fix came with FIFA seeding the play off’s which was done to get the result they got.
The FAI position was not petulance it was business, it was their only hope of gong to South Africa, they knew there was no official reason to replay but by putting pressure on FIFA they may just have tipped the French FA into agreeing to a replay, unlikely I know but it was their only hope so why not try it. If the French FA or Michel Platini can get the rules bent why not the FA of Ireland?
For those who believe there was nothng underhand I put it to them that Sepp Blatter was involved and rest my case.

 

[DC_Boy]

hi all - thanks for all the kind words

yes argentina england is very different to ireland france

but i'm english and that game was my pain

along with spurs benefica that game hurts and rankles the most

i'll never get over either and the benfica one was nearlly 50 years ago

 

[Krafty]

Refs do seem to have a problem dealing with big clubs, big reputations and big pressure, as I'm sure anyone would, but refs dont help themselves. Their general demeanour gives the impression of an obnoxious science teacher who wants to think he is charge of a unruly class, but in truth knows that he has little to no control.

I dont think refs are given enough support. A bad decision, or in the Ireland example a case of the ref being unsighted, and he has to go into hiding?????? Thats shocking.

I also think TV hasnt helped - its amazing how easier it is to see an incident from the angle TV cameras are compared to when you level with the play, and much closer in.

However, there is only so much sympathy you can have for refs. Anytime I see Man Utd they swarm around the ref when any decision goes against them - even throw ins or blatant fouls. The refs dont have the mental strength to tell them to pack it in (or words to that effect) and show yellow cards. They give the players far more than inch, and then they have nowhere to go.

If they explained decisions to players I think they would get much mroe respect - simply running away from an incident doesnt inspire confidence in anyone. Handballs are an example. Sometimes it doesnt get anywhere near a player's ahnd, and the opposition is simply trying to cheat a penalty - the ref should tell to shut the **** up. There are times when it strikes an hand, but its accidental. Tell the oppsotion this - they might not agree but they will be more content than if the ref legs it from them.

All their mannerisms are annoying, chirlish and boarding school esque. Collini had repsect because he acted like a human being, not a robot. Plus people had respect, and for too long managers especially have been able to show distain towards refs. It only took about 25 years for Fergie to get a two match touchline ban.

 

[3Dnata]

hi all - thanks for all the kind words

yes argentina england is very different to ireland france

but i'm english and that game was my pain

along with spurs benefica that game hurts and rankles the most

i'll never get over either and the benfica one was nearlly 50 years ago

The Franny Lee handball/diving header for ManCity against us I think in 1974 still wrangles me!

 

[lifeof...]

That's a bold statement life of, a bold post if ever there was.

oops

 

[ultimateloner]

I don’t buy this hypocrisy thing from the F A I and I don’t accept that they behaved like petulant children, it was just a business decision. The Henry incident was deliberate handball, he cheated again but what you gonna do about it? The ref didn’t see it so he couldn’t give it so that’s that. The real fix came with FIFA seeding the play off’s which was done to get the result they got.
The FAI position was not petulance it was business, it was their only hope of gong to South Africa, they knew there was no official reason to replay but by putting pressure on FIFA they may just have tipped the French FA into agreeing to a replay, unlikely I know but it was their only hope so why not try it. If the French FA or Michel Platini can get the rules bent why not the FA of Ireland?
For those who believe there was nothng underhand I put it to them that Sepp Blatter was involved and rest my case.

I agree with this and I would go further and say the reason video tech isn't introduced is because it stops corruption and rule-bending that the people at the top need to take advantage of the game.

 

[Dougal]

I agree with this and I would go further and say the reason video tech isn't introduced is because it stops corruption and rule-bending that the people at the top need to take advantage of the game.

That's a great point and has proved to be the tipping point in my view on the subject. I am now officially in favour of video technology.

 

[lifeof...]

I agree with this and I would go further and say the reason video tech isn't introduced is because it stops corruption and rule-bending that the people at the top need to take advantage of the game.

I have long been a supporter of Video Tech been used in some form, But I cant see how it would effect this, can you explain your thoughts?

 

[Spirit58]

Interesting fact brought up on Talksport radio last night.
Three players have been at the centre of cheating controversy this year, Eduado, Henry and one other whose name I can't remember, they all have one thing in common, they have all at one time or do now play for Arsenal.
Coincidence???