Maybe promote Ledley if hes interested?
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It'll be fun to see the press say how great McKenna is or say he is 'highly-rated', yet if it's true Spurs are relaxed about it - is he that good or are youth coaches easy to come by?
Im not sure how good he is, windy and thfcacademy would though i imagine.
I think the press are making a big deal about it though because it's United taking him and Spurs youth are now seen as the gold standard. Same reason why United coming in for McDermott made huge headlines, albeit he is one of the best youth guys in football. Utd have made no secret they wanted to revamp their academy.
I read McKenna will be their u23 coach. So i guess they fired their coach who publicly called out their u23s for poor performances, work ethic and attitude.
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I'm sure he is good but I think the key point is that so long as McDermott is in charge over seeing the development of the coaches and with the contacts he has I am sure he is aware of the quality of coaches available and is confident of choosing one who is better.
At the end of the day it is the development done below u18s level which is really significant and what we have nailed. Inglethorpe was a bigger loss than McKenna. I wouldn't be surprised to see them promote Cochrane, but then that would involve taking out a top coach in a key development age.
I think the main job of 18s manager is to start developing their style of play and introduce tactics, someone else will be able to do similar, McDermott is getting better result at the start of this season than McKenna did last.
It would be easy and make sense to pick from Fulham so I wouldn't mind Steve Wigley, but I suspect w will give the new role to someone internal. Huw Jennings does the same role as McDermott he is excellent at developing an academy but I don't know if he would necessarily be a better scout, so I'm not sure we'dneed him
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He's no John McDermott! Should be fairly easily replaceable.
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Not nearly as many as the expert scouts on players in foreign leagues though, I think its what makes this place so great
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I think that's the key point here.
Utd went for McDermott who's the main man, and got rebuffed.
McKenna appears to have been a good part of the system, but not at McDermott level.
Keeping the head of the team is key, as he will source the replacement. Could be someone from within, then back fill. Alternatively we will be a big draw given our current academy prestige, should we look to recruit from elsewhere.
Regards McKenna, can't say I blame him. Appears he's moving to U23's, in a club that's going to throw huge resource at revamping their setup. Putting this into real day to day life perspective, if you were offered a promotion (which I'd suspect going from U18's to U23's would be), at a company that will pay you more money, and are investing hugely in you're new department, you'd go wouldn't you.
Utd went for McDermott who's the main man, and got rebuffed.
McKenna appears to have been a good part of the system, but not at McDermott level.
Keeping the head of the team is key, as he will source the replacement. Could be someone from within, then back fill. Alternatively we will be a big draw given our current academy prestige, should we look to recruit from elsewhere.
Regards McKenna, can't say I blame him. Appears he's moving to U23's, in a club that's going to throw huge resource at revamping their setup. Putting this into real day to day life perspective, if you were offered a promotion (which I'd suspect going from U18's to U23's would be), at a company that will pay you more money, and are investing hugely in you're new department, you'd go wouldn't you.
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You say that but our coaches have been getting worse imo, he should have been given the U21's over Ehiogu but imo neither should have got it
McDermott needs his position assessing at the end of the season some of his appointments have been strange and not going with our philosophy
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I don't agree with that Beats. Matt Wells and Kieran McKenna were very good appointments at the time. They were both ex-players who were very fond of the club, they were both making a bit of a name for themselves on the coaching circuit despite being relatively young (on account of both retiring early through injury). Wells is a highly qualified youth coach who's work with the Nike Academy was getting him attention from some big clubs & McKenna was impressing with his coaching work at Loughborough University, which is well known for its Sports & Sports Science Dept as well as having a moderately successful Amateur side that play in the lower leagues.
There's no doubt that the speed of development of our players seems to have slowed but there are a number of reasons for this. First is that are suddenly pretty damn successful at first team level which has raised the bar exponentially, secondly we already have a queue of young players battling to get into MoPo's squad. thirdly we have a bloated U23 squad where progress has been stalled by squad blockage into the first team as well as low quality filler sticking around to make up the numbers in an increasingly stacked U23 schedule. This has had a knock on effect at U18 level where the large size of the squad (bolstered by incredibly talented U16s) has forced heavy rotation which in turn has seen rhythm and consistency vanish. We're going through a transition in terms of development because we have a sudden stability in the first team. Under the likes of Sherwood the first team was in crisis and flux and that enabled, briefly a window of opportunity for the free flow of youngsters into the first team squad. With MoPo managing the first team so well and with our European campaigns now serious business the windows of opportunity are greatly reduced. I think we'll see things smooth out in the next year or two.
There's no doubt that the speed of development of our players seems to have slowed but there are a number of reasons for this. First is that are suddenly pretty damn successful at first team level which has raised the bar exponentially, secondly we already have a queue of young players battling to get into MoPo's squad. thirdly we have a bloated U23 squad where progress has been stalled by squad blockage into the first team as well as low quality filler sticking around to make up the numbers in an increasingly stacked U23 schedule. This has had a knock on effect at U18 level where the large size of the squad (bolstered by incredibly talented U16s) has forced heavy rotation which in turn has seen rhythm and consistency vanish. We're going through a transition in terms of development because we have a sudden stability in the first team. Under the likes of Sherwood the first team was in crisis and flux and that enabled, briefly a window of opportunity for the free flow of youngsters into the first team squad. With MoPo managing the first team so well and with our European campaigns now serious business the windows of opportunity are greatly reduced. I think we'll see things smooth out in the next year or two.
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Was impressed with McKenna when I heard him speaking on Spurs TV. But at the end of the day if you have the right structure, leadership group, and ethos, you should be able to slot in one talented young coach with another.
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Smart move would be to try and sign that whole Beligum squad... Bound to be some cream in their crop.
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Im not referring to Matt Wells and McKenna but recently the appointments have got strange like Rastrick, Ehiogu, Brush(though a sherwood appointment as well) and couple of others that I have forgotten right now
Those two were good appointments, one of whom has done very well
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I agree with beats questions should be asked of McDermott. He is sadly not the messiah he is made out to be piggybacks off of sherwood, Ramsey and inglethorpe.
i also hate the fact he puts himself in charge give experience to coaches at the club help them develop. If he left we would not notice the difference believe me.
As for McKenna very disrespectful but we knew this already I think everyone knows about the times he sulked when not getting jobs at the club. Famously being told he was too inexperienced for the u21 role which was then given to the more inexperienced ugo!
No drama this loss we will move on and hopefully make a good appointment.
i also hate the fact he puts himself in charge give experience to coaches at the club help them develop. If he left we would not notice the difference believe me.
As for McKenna very disrespectful but we knew this already I think everyone knows about the times he sulked when not getting jobs at the club. Famously being told he was too inexperienced for the u21 role which was then given to the more inexperienced ugo!
No drama this loss we will move on and hopefully make a good appointment.
Maybe less exp as a coach but Ugo was a good defender in the EPL for a very long time
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True but he never had the experience as a coach before his promotion
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Yes mate that's true but ugo had never done anything since he retired did a little bit with us with the u14s but it was a baffling appointment then and it's even more baffling now when you see how ugo has done.
Nearly got us relegated last season, played the boys all over the shop, poor walkes played every position Barr goalkeeper. Doesn't play the way poch wants its just strange.
Nearly got us relegated last season, played the boys all over the shop, poor walkes played every position Barr goalkeeper. Doesn't play the way poch wants its just strange.
Hard to know if they played Walkes in other positions as part of a greater plan or Ugo was just inept but we are pretty ruthless as a club when it comes to culling staff if not deemed good enough. Poch and john seem to get a long I think if poch felt a coach was not good enough they would be out
