Not sure how that can be spammed. He won us x2 FA cup and UEFA Cup. Had this debate on twitter. Although he did get us relegated and didn’t win anything for 5 years and highest was 4th.
The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018
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Burkinshaw is our second most successful manager and brought us more trophies than every manager since combined, had us playing what many Spurs fans believe to be the most exciting football we’ve ever played and cultivated a wonderful, enjoyable era at the club. Yes, he was in charge when we were relegated but many would have it that he inherited a sinking ship. Some believe he was lucky to inherit a few wonderful players, including arguably our best ever, but that doesn’t take away from his achievements.
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Touche.
I'm not sure the Rose/Aurier argument holds up to be honest. We know nothing of how they are in training. And I'm not sure many are really arguing that Edwards actually has attitude problems in terms of his behaviour, but more in terms of his approach potentially. Anyway, sorry for jumping the gun.
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We have been drawn at home to Liverpool in the Premier League Cup quarter finals for under 18s. No date as yet
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Speaking of Lamela if you go to his old thread, and search for the word weak, there are 7 pages worth of posts, with hat word. Not all referencing his strength but the majority, and yet it wasn't a problem for him. He was still persisted with.
I agree if someone is constantly going to be shoved off the ball then they're arguably not ready but:
1) this is my point the patience and leeway given to the first teamer compared to academy player, are they strong enough or not? 2)then surely it would make sense to let him train with the first team so he can adapt
3) even still if he was weak, when we are leading in matches or need some magic, or even in dead rubbers with 10mins to go, so what if he gets bullied for a bit. He didn't get bullied by Gillingham. Adults are adults eveyrone talks about how physicla lower league football is but he wasn't being pinged all over the place there, He was using skill and ability to get round them
Of course I appreciate your inside knowledge of his situation as well, and again not saying I know more than Poch but feel it is a fair discussion point, if that is the reason he can't feature for just 5 minutes this season.
He wasn't all at seas here.
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Some good points, but as I say I don't have a lot of info regarding Edwards. I was told on a couple of occasions there were concerns regarding his physicality, nothing more than that really. I'm sort of making guesses myself as to what that means. I appreciate you guys see quite a lot of him, but there must be a reason why Poch is holding him back, considering how highly he talks of him.
As for Lamella, yes he isn't the strongest physically on the ball, but his determination and tenacity to win the ball back does sort of make up for that some what. The way he goes into tackles is far from weak.
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Don't really know why you dislike Veljkovic so much. You give the impression that his failure would bring you joy and you'd be upset if he succeeded. I have only wish best for our academy players as their success is our success, but you like to come in here and take jabs at one of our former academy players, that you don't even know. Strangely I actually had a decent debate about him with you.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/milos-veljkovic.123204/
I only said he could play PL football and be a squad player and one day could prove to be a quality player. You called him 'a good player no doubt that could play at an elite level', then go on to claim you never rated him. I never said he was World Class so don't know why it got your back up so much that people thought he should have got a chance. If he can play at an elite level, surely we're in agreement he could have at least been a squad player?
@tiger666 you usually are very reasonable poster, I don't know what you were trying to imply, but you must known that someone playing for a club in a relegation zone isn't necessarily a relfection of that player. Some fans wanted us to sign Mawson and Maguire etc. heck we got Parker from a relegated club and Defoe.
Anyway this talk made me check his thread on Werder forum, they are in bad form so I looked at recent posts. Some don't translate well, some of course still say he needs to improve certain areas but 95% are overwhelmingly positive hoping he will get them a big fee. He is also likely. Those keen to see how Veljkvoic is getting on read on. Those who don't care for updates on past players, or dislike Veljkovic, stop reading now, if you've reached this far.
These are from different games in November
Good game today. Acted very calm and radiated security
Class performance again. Please renew immediately.
Why do you hear nothing there in the direction. Hope Baumann is not so blind and comes back on the last pusher. Other clubs are likely to attract attention, too
Milos is simply gold value for us meanwhile. How deviated and calm he plays in his boy years is very impressive, I think. Baumann should go there for a VVL soon, otherwise other clubs will be fast on him.
At Milos you can see a positive development over the years. That's nice to see. However, he still has to significantly improve his game anticipation in order to better get into the duels or to find better playful solutions.
He will be playing at a big English Top8 club in 3-4 years.
Whether with a stopover or directly from us, I'll leave it a question.
These are from his last match
Wow just wow I can not remember ... so young so calmly so clarified
Contract renew immediately until 2024!
Super game and the development of him just great
I love watching the boy play. What a calm and serenity. Seems to me, he looks a lot off Moisander.
"What Werder with Veljkovic (come from Tottenham Hotspur) and Moisander (come from Sampdoria Genoa) again for a strong center-back has just great. Behind them is Pavlenka the best goalkeeper in the Bundesliga first round. Delaney is next to Eriksen the best player in Denmark and Kruse is one of the best offensive players in the Bundesliga.
Werder's pillars and top players on the way to the top, a finally back-strong axis:
Pavlenka
Veljkovic Moisander
M. Eggestein Delaney Junuzovic
Kruse"
Exactly. I like that too. Not a dueling monster but someone who always tries to conquer the ball in a clean and elegant way (I remember having a defender come through our academy who defend in a similar manner). Since he is particularly interesting for the English market and the money is loosely there would be an extension of immense importance for us.
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Oh god if I spammed your post it was definitely accidental, I’ll undo, blame fat fingers and speed scrolling. See my later post praising Burkinshaw for evidence of agreement!
And I’m only a spritely 32
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would love to see that team to be fair.
not for tonight obviously but just generally speaking. afc wimbledon would be a good game to go with something like that (won't happen though).
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I honestly don't believe Edwards is harder to knock of the ball than Alli and Eriksen. And neither of those are exactly ferocious at hunting it back either.
I mean, I wouldn't want to jump in our time machine and play Edwards against Don Revie's Leeds, but he'd get more protection in this PL than he gets at just about any other level he's played, and it's not like he's spent the last few years only playing against 15yo girls.
I mean, I wouldn't want to jump in our time machine and play Edwards against Don Revie's Leeds, but he'd get more protection in this PL than he gets at just about any other level he's played, and it's not like he's spent the last few years only playing against 15yo girls.
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I read a stat that he scored 27 times for the under 16's. I don't know how reliable that stat is but that is phenomenal if true, in that age group when the men start getting sorted from the boys. I'd never heard of him until a few weeks back so he must have flown under the radar. Is he a winger or an inside forward? A mate of mine goes to the odd youth game and thinks he is an inside forward stuck on the wing and was worried that it was hindering his progress. I know nothing about him so its exciting to see we've nabbed another Arsenal reject who may have potential. We know how the last one went
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Don't really know why you dislike Veljkovic so much. You give the impression that his failure would bring you joy and you'd be upset if he succeeded. I have only wish best for our academy players as their success is our success, but you like to come in here and take jabs at one of our former academy players, that you don't even know. Strangely I actually had a decent debate about him with you.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/milos-veljkovic.123204/
I only said he could play PL football and be a squad player and one day could prove to be a quality player. You called him 'a good player no doubt that could play at an elite level', then go on to claim you never rated him. I never said he was World Class so don't know why it got your back up so much that people thought he should have got a chance. If he can play at an elite level, surely we're in agreement he could have at least been a squad player?
@tiger666 you usually are very reasonable poster, I don't know what you were trying to imply, but you must known that someone playing for a club in a relegation zone isn't necessarily a relfection of that player. Some fans wanted us to sign Mawson and Maguire etc. heck we got Parker from a relegated club and Defoe.
Anyway this talk made me check his thread on Werder forum, they are in bad form so I looked at recent posts. Some don't translate well, some of course still say he needs to improve certain areas but 95% are overwhelmingly positive hoping he will get them a big fee. He is also likely. Those keen to see how Veljkvoic is getting on read on. Those who don't care for updates on past players, or dislike Veljkovic, stop reading now, if you've reached this far.
These are from different games in November
Good game today. Acted very calm and radiated security
Class performance again. Please renew immediately.
Why do you hear nothing there in the direction. Hope Baumann is not so blind and comes back on the last pusher. Other clubs are likely to attract attention, too
Milos is simply gold value for us meanwhile. How deviated and calm he plays in his boy years is very impressive, I think. Baumann should go there for a VVL soon, otherwise other clubs will be fast on him.
At Milos you can see a positive development over the years. That's nice to see. However, he still has to significantly improve his game anticipation in order to better get into the duels or to find better playful solutions.
He will be playing at a big English Top8 club in 3-4 years.
Whether with a stopover or directly from us, I'll leave it a question.
These are from his last match
Wow just wow I can not remember ... so young so calmly so clarified
Contract renew immediately until 2024!
Super game and the development of him just great
I love watching the boy play. What a calm and serenity. Seems to me, he looks a lot off Moisander.
"What Werder with Veljkovic (come from Tottenham Hotspur) and Moisander (come from Sampdoria Genoa) again for a strong center-back has just great. Behind them is Pavlenka the best goalkeeper in the Bundesliga first round. Delaney is next to Eriksen the best player in Denmark and Kruse is one of the best offensive players in the Bundesliga.
Werder's pillars and top players on the way to the top, a finally back-strong axis:
Pavlenka
Veljkovic Moisander
M. Eggestein Delaney Junuzovic
Kruse"
Exactly. I like that too. Not a dueling monster but someone who always tries to conquer the ball in a clean and elegant way (I remember having a defender come through our academy who defend in a similar manner). Since he is particularly interesting for the English market and the money is loosely there would be an extension of immense importance for us.
I never disliked him personally as I don't know him but I saw him play, admittedly only a few times, and each time I was left unimpressed.
He looked like another Goran Bunjevcevic to me honestly. Remember him? He was Glen's first signing as manager and was introduced as the Serbian Beckenbaur. Veljkovic is similar, elegant but without the extra aggression you need to handle yourself in the English game where CB's and forwards get a lot more intimate then they do on the continent. I also found he lacked pace, particularly in those first few yards where an Aguero can turn you and leave you 2 meters behind grasping thin air.
I suppose I get frustrated when young players are bigged up and you know they aren't the dogs balls, but sometimes in these threads they come across like that. BTW I like your posts, always informative and good reading. Sorry if I come across as a negative **** at times - but we all have our opinions
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The whole Edwards thing really divides opinions. I just think that he looks like he fades in games unless he is played into the match by others. He is no hunter gatherer for example, something that you see in Eriksen's game these days. I think in Poch's system there are no luxury players, every one has to pull their weight. I don't see Edwards press or track back with enthusiasm.
I've always seen him as a little light weight but sometimes that low center of gravity can be a plus as long as you are a muscly little fucker like a Maradona, Modric or Aguero. I think the problem for Poch and Jesus is that Edwards thinks he can perform the Hollywood tricks and not have to put in the hard work. Plus there is that mental side of it we have heard about. I am not thinking he has an issue with that in terms of willingness to fight etc. I think he needs to be managed from a perspective of ego and self importance and perhaps this is Poch's way of handing out some tough love. You know along the lines of 'I know you are good lad and you know you are good too but I want to see some humbleness served up with that as well. Don't get ahead of yourself. Until I see that, you aren't ready for my team.'
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I kinda agree with you in that I eventually came to the conclusion that Veljkovic wasnt suited for the Premier league or for Spurs. But that doesnt mean he isn't class, he's playing very well in a top league and is going to the world cup this summer at the age of 22, people should respect that. And for what it's worth I still think he could of done a solid job for us.I never disliked him personally as I don't know him but I saw him play, admittedly only a few times, and each time I was left unimpressed.
He looked like another Goran Bunjevcevic to me honestly. Remember him? He was Glen's first signing as manager and was introduced as the Serbian Beckenbaur. Veljkovic is similar, elegant but without the extra aggression you need to handle yourself in the English game where CB's and forwards get a lot more intimate then they do on the continent. I also found he lacked pace, particularly in those first few yards where an Aguero can turn you and leave you 2 meters behind grasping thin air.
I suppose I get frustrated when young players are bigged up and you know they aren't the dogs balls, but sometimes in these threads they come across like that. BTW I like your posts, always informative and good reading. Sorry if I come across as a negative **** at times - but we all have our opinions
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Who is #11 blazing down the left? I feel like I have read something about a U-18 player that has been skinning people down the left. That him and who is he?
