The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[agrdavidsfan]

Could you be getting Chelsea mixed up with Utd? He was MOM v them a couple of rounds before we played Chelsea if I recall.

It must be I remember watching him in one of the youth games on some dodgy stream and he was excellent thank you!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Re the ordering Edwards/Onomah/KWP

I know it's easy to always class forwards and attackers as the "best" they are the ones that do the things that register largest, the goals, the assists, the dribbles, and there is no doubt that Edwards is the most gifted in that respect, and I'll be bloody disappointed if he doesn't make it and of the three I think KWP has the most obvious chance of making it due to his position and the lack of decent RB's in English football. But for me, the player I think who probably has the most questions marks against him right now, is still the one I would most like to see make it, and that's Onomah, because I think if he beats the odds and somehow does manage to establish himself I think he will be on of those payers who is the most valuable to a team, not scoring goals or grabbing glory, but an instigator, a pivotal dictator of a game from the middle of the pitch, a player that improves those around him, so for for that reason, and I know it will possibly leave me look foolish if he fails, my 123 of the big three currently here is:

1. Onomah
2. KWP
3. Edwards

 

[Blake Griffin]

Re the ordering Edwards/Onomah/KWP

I know it's easy to always class forwards and attackers as the "best" they are the ones that do the things that register largest, the goals, the assists, the dribbles, and there is no doubt that Edwards is the most gifted in that respect, and I'll be bloody disappointed if he doesn't make it and of the three I think KWP has the most obvious chance of making it due to his position and the lack of decent RB's in English football. But for me, the player I think who probably has the most questions marks against him right now, is still the one I would most like to see make it, and that's Onomah, because I think if he beats the odds and somehow does manage to establish himself I think he will be on of those payers who is the most valuable to a team, not scoring goals or grabbing glory, but an instigator, a pivotal dictator of a game from the middle of the pitch, a player that improves those around him, so for for that reason, and I know it will possibly leave me look foolish if he fails, my 123 of the big three currently here is:

1. Onomah
2. KWP
3. Edwards

is that because you value what a cm brings over the course of a game compared to that of an attacker though? or you genuinely think onomah(and kwp) have higher scope in their positions than edwards?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

is that because you value what a cm brings over the course of a game compared to that of an attacker though?

Yeah, I guess that's pretty much the reason, kind of, I've always thought that, generally speaking, the best football teams are driven from the midfield by great midfielders. The very best midfielders are the most complete footballers, they have skill, intelligence, vision, but also dynamism and a team ethic. They are all things, attackers, defenders, play breakers and play makers.

or you genuinely think onomah(and kwp) have higher scope in their positions than edwards?

In terms of scope in their position, I think they all have massive scope and it's really hard to quantify and qualify such a tricky question, Edwards is probably the most talented in that pure, ball at feet way, but forwards are always more mercurial, they will always flit in and out of games. I just think what players like Onomah and KWP bring to their team is a more complete contribution, but as I said, it's hard to quantify or qualify and we all know, it's putting all these components together in a blend and balance that is what makes great teams, they are all co-dependent on one another. But it's that more rounded contribution that has Onomah and KWP as 1 and 2 on my list I guess.

 

[spurs9]

Yeah, I guess that's pretty much the reason, kind of, I've always thought that, generally speaking, the best football teams are driven from the midfield by great midfielders. The very best midfielders are the most complete footballers, they have skill, intelligence, vision, but also dynamism and a team ethic. They are all things, attackers, defenders, play breakers and play makers.

The best football teams also have great forwards and a great defence too though, so it's not really fair to single out 1 component.

Personally, I think it's all relative and a good forward player makes a massive difference too. Players like Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez as been just as important/influential to their teams as players like Modric, Ineista & Busquets.

Edwards has the potential to be a player that can make something out of nothing and in since teams are increasingly able to forfeit the possession and territory for a defensive line a shape/set up that makes it very hard to break down, that would make him the more important out of the 3, should he reach that potential IMO. All 3 could be very important players if they reach their potential.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The best football teams also have great forwards and a great defence too though, so it's not really fair to single out 1 component.

Personally, I think it's all relative and a good forward player makes a massive difference too. Players like Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez as been just as important/influential to their teams as players like Modric, Ineista & Busquets.

Edwards has the potential to be a player that can make something out of nothing and in since teams are increasingly able to forfeit the possession and territory for a defensive line a shape/set up that makes it very hard to break down, that would make him the more important out of the 3, should he reach that potential IMO. All 3 could be very important players if they reach their potential.

Yeah of course, as I alluded to in the second paragraph, the beauty of football is that it requires a blend and balance. Just that, as I tried to explain, with difficulty, the best midfielders are attackers and defenders. They are the conduit that links all aspects. I like that, value that highly.

 

[Spurzinho]

Man Utd have had great teams with David May in defence, John O'Shea in Defence, Wes Brown in Defence, Fabien Barthez in goal, Roy Carroll (spit) in goal, Forlan up front, Eric Djemba Djemba in midfield. I could go on. They didn't always have the 11 best players. They had enough of the best players, organised in the best way with enough competent (usually) players around them to get the job done.

 

[Blake Griffin]

England Under-18 squad to face Brazil & South Africa:

GK: Curtis Anderson (Manchester City), Joseph Bursik (Stoke City), Billy Crellin (Fleetwood Town)

DF: Timothy Eyoma (Tottenham Hotspur), Lewis Gibson (Everton), Marc Guehi (Chelsea), Joel Latibeaudiere (Manchester City), Jonathan Panzo (Chelsea), Steven Sessegnon (Fulham), Jake Vokins (Southampton)

MF: Aidan Barlow (Manchester United), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Angel Gomes (Manchester United), Nya Kirby (Crystal Palace), George McEachran (Chelsea), Matt O’Riley (Fulham), Tashan Oakley-Boothe (Tottenham Hotspur) Oliver Skipp (Tottenham Hotspur)

FW: Rhian Brewster (Liverpool), Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea), Danny Loader (Reading), Jadon Sancho (Manchester City), Emile Smith-Rowe (Arsenal)

 

[yanno]

England Under-18 squad to face Brazil & South Africa:

Does this mean Skipp has been selected a year above his age group for England?

He's a year younger than TOB and Eyoma, no? So that would be impressive.

Interesting that the other Sessegnon has been selected too.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Does this mean Skipp has been selected a year above his age group for England?

He's a year younger than TOB and Eyoma, no? So that would be impressive.

Interesting that the other Sessegnon has been selected too.

eyoma - jan 2000
tob - feb 2000
skipp - sep 2000

he's the same age group at international level as it's measured between jan-dec, he's the year below at club level as that's september to the following august - if he'd been born a few weeks earlier then he'd have been in the same age group as the other two.

 

[Blake Griffin]

u19 squad:

Ellery Balcombe (Brentford), Keanan Bennetts (Tottenham Hotspur), Ben Brereton (Nottingham Forest), Jaden Brown (Tottenham Hotspur), Flynn Downes (Ipswich Town), Elliot Embleton (Sunderland), Edward Francis (Manchester City), George Hirst (Sheffield Wednesday), Reece James (Chelsea), Daniel Kemp (West Ham), Jonathan Leko (West Bromwich Albion), Marcus McGuane (Arsenal), Mason Mount (Vitesse Arnhem, on loan from Chelsea), Reiss Nelson (Arsenal), Edward Nketiah (Arsenal), Tristram Nydam (Ipswich Town), Ryan Schofield (Huddersfield Town), Dujon Sterling (Chelsea), Japhet Tanganga (Tottenham Hotspur), Jake Turner (Bolton Wanderers), Josh Tymon (Stoke City), Tariq Uwakwe (Chelsea), Joe Willock (Arsenal).

first call-up in a while for bennetts but shashoua misses out.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

u19 squad:


first call-up in a while for bennetts but shashoua misses out.

Isn't Shashoua one of our most highly-regarded youngsters? Odd that he isn't in the England squad.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Isn't Shashoua one of our most highly-regarded youngsters? Odd that he isn't in the England squad.

maybe a result of not being a starter for our u23s so far this season, he was in the last squad a few months back and did well scoring and creating a few goals so he's a little unlucky not to make it.

 

[IGSpur]

England Under-18 squad to face Brazil & South Africa:

Great Skipp is back in, so much better than Denny and deserved it. Annoyingly only have one good FB. Skipp's ability to drop into CB should allow em to take more.

Interesting that the other Sessegnon has been selected too.

That's pretty standard, he's a good player and a regular before his injury.

u19 squad:


first call-up in a while for bennetts but shashoua misses out.

Bennetts has earned that, well done on him.

Binks has been a regular recently which us great must be impressing. Good player

 

[Blake Griffin]

Great Skipp is back in, so much better than Denny and deserved it. Annoyingly only have one good FB. Skipp's ability to drop into CB should allow em to take more.

who's the fb you're referring to? eyoma and gibson will probably start there but as we know, they're better at cb.

either way though, this is like an all-star squad, maybe the best england have had in a long, long time. if that's the group that go to the world cup next month then it would be a surprise if they didn't win it.

 

[Blake Griffin]

England Under-20 squad to face the Netherlands & Switzerland:

Isaac Buckley-Ricketts (Twente, on loan from Manchester City), Jay Dasilva (Charlton Athletic, on loan from Chelsea), Josh Dasilva (Arsenal), Keinan Davis (Aston Villa), Demeaco Duhaney (Manchester City), Adetayo Edun (Fulham), Marcus Edwards (Tottenham Hotspur), Sam Field (West Bromwich Albion), Andre Green (Aston Villa), Darnell Johnson (Leicester City), James Justin (Luton Town), Jacob Maddox (Chelsea), William Mannion (Hull City), Stephy Mavididi (Preston North End, on loan from Arsenal), Lukas Nmecha (Manchester City), Reece Oxford (Borussia Monchengladbach, on loan from West Ham United), Aaron Ramsdale (AFC Bournemouth), Easah Suliman (Aston Villa), Nathan Trott (West Ham United), Ronaldo Vieira (Leeds United), Chris Willock (Benfica)

 

[Anuth]

@Blake Griffin What about Sancho? Can't find his name.

 

[Hengy1]

@Blake Griffin What about Sancho? Can't find his name.

Under 18s

 

[Anuth]

Under 18s

Thanks, Honesty I didn't look at U18.

I don't understand why Edwards who did not start at U17, get called up for U20, while Sancho U17's players of the tournament still at U18.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Thanks, Honesty I didn't look at U18.

I don't understand why Edwards who did not start at U17, get called up for U20, while Sancho U17's players of the tournament still at U18.

edwards was at the u19 euros, they're two years apart.