The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Spurzinho]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spor...wcastle-united-braced-lose-defensive-13357896

Newcastle United are on the brink of losing one of their most talented youngsters in youth team defender Lewis Gibson. The England youth international defender, who turned 17 today, has not signed a professional contract with the Magpies and Everton are eager to take him to Goodison Park. Tottenham Hotspur and Southampton are also interested in his signature and a fee of over £6million has been discussed with the Toffees this week.Gibson only has a year left on his scholarship and as he has entered the last 12 months it can be terminated at any time.

Anyone know much about him? Seems we are still trying to sign talented youngsters with this link and the Sessegnon/Sancho links.

Only a couple of hours ago Newcastle confirmed that they've accepted a £6m bid from Everton, so he's probably going there.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Only a couple of hours ago Newcastle confirmed that they've accepted a £6m bid from Everton, so he's probably going there.

Everton have spent a huge amount of money on U21 talent in the last couple of years - going to be interested to see how they develop over the next few years...

 

[DezFitz]

Only a couple of hours ago Newcastle confirmed that they've accepted a £6m bid from Everton, so he's probably going there.

Thanks, I didn't realize the club confirmed that. I guess we won't match that which is frustrating as a lot of our best purchases come about like this. Everton are doing quite well when purchasing young English talent recently.

 

[Spurzinho]

Everton have spent a huge amount of money on U21 talent in the last couple of years - going to be interested to see how they develop over the next few years...

They're clearly trying to follow our path, although they're also spending a good few quid on the first team. They have made a bundle on Lukaku & stand to make a decent sum on Barkley so they may just be reinvesting what's been raised, but still. If I was a young player at a lower league club and I had to choose between Everton & Spurs (presuming I had no attatchment to either) it would be a genuinely tough choice. Coaching wise its probably even, facilities wise we win all day, working with quality players probably gives us the edge but opportunity might just swing it Everton's way at this exact moment. I'm not sure there are any other clubs could compete right now for attractiveness in terms of player development.

 

[Spurzinho]

I can't help but think what with Man City & Chelski chucking gazillions of rubles & dhiram at established world stars that the time has never been more right to get in there and nab some of their young players. Unless the kid is completely money orientated then they must look at what stands between them and first team football and despair.

 

[spurs9]

i guess no one told him about the 21 day rule then lol. edun and sessegnon are also out in austria with fulham's first team squad. i know we all hope there's nothing going on and everything is fine but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that poch has excluded him from first team plans until he signs.

It certainly looks that way

 

[beats1]

I can't help but think what with Man City & Chelski chucking gazillions of rubles & dhiram at established world stars that the time has never been more right to get in there and nab some of their young players. Unless the kid is completely money orientated then they must look at what stands between them and first team football and despair.

The problem is why would they come here?

If you're a top player then you have a shot of been given a chance in our first team otherwise we aren't exactly producing any league footballers if we are being honest

At least at Chelsea & Man City you are more likely to become a championship or league 1 player at the least

Do we think Stewart would be going to Hull for £8m if he had a few cameos with us and still been in our U23 team?

The only thing we have going for us is that we can offer them to be part of our first team and not the development squad, which is sad because we aren't exactly offering that to our best players

 

[yankspurs]

i guess no one told him about the 21 day rule then lol. edun and sessegnon are also out in austria with fulham's first team squad. i know we all hope there's nothing going on and everything is fine but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that poch has excluded him from first team plans until he signs.

Yep. I reckon he's a goner. Seems like the classic "play me and i'll sign" situation that we always mis play our hand and the players leave. Shame. Edwards is a real talent.

 

[spurs9]

The problem is why would they come here?

If you're a top player then you have a shot of been given a chance in our first team otherwise we aren't exactly producing any league footballers if we are being honest

At least at Chelsea & Man City you are more likely to become a championship or league 1 player at the least

Do we think Stewart would be going to Hull for £8m if he had a few cameos with us and still been in our U23 team?

The only thing we have going for us is that we can offer them to be part of our first team and not the development squad, which is sad because we aren't exactly offering that to our best players

I don't think that is true though is it? What are the stats on number lower league players from each PL academy and % success rate?

I saw a stat a few months ago that in the PL, only Man Utd's academy had produced more current (last seasons) Premier League players than ours. We were tied 2nd with Southampton for number of players produced, however players from our academy has played more PL mins.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

The problem is why would they come here?

If you're a top player then you have a shot of been given a chance in our first team otherwise we aren't exactly producing any league footballers if we are being honest

At least at Chelsea & Man City you are more likely to become a championship or league 1 player at the least

Do we think Stewart would be going to Hull for £8m if he had a few cameos with us and still been in our U23 team?

The only thing we have going for us is that we can offer them to be part of our first team and not the development squad, which is sad because we aren't exactly offering that to our best players

Bit of a strange statement considering we got millions for Livermore, Carroll, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Townsend, Mason etc, and that Winks is now a fixture of the first team squad and would probably cost someone £20m+.

Onomah and KWP are both there or there abouts with only positives coming out of the club. Edwards seems to be the only dark cloud on the horizon and yet @Breezer has consistently said the ball's in his court etc...

 

[kd2000]

Edwards is such a strange catch 22.
He wont play unless he signs
He wont sign unless he plays

Why should the club develop him(in terms of first team exposure) when he isnt committing??
Why should he commit when he doesnt see any game time??

I know we as followers in the youth thread have massive hopes for him, and poch has likened him to a mini messi. However another year of no first team gamea and just the occassional u23 could really stunt his development.

Who will change their stance first, club or player??
I bet its not club and if its not Edwards then its a shame really but hes losing a year of possible progress, will probably go to somewhere like chelsea or city and end up at swansea in 5 years after loans to celtic or vitesse

 

[coy-spurs1882]

i thought poch was going to play him at the end of last season if he was not injured

 

[coy-spurs1882]

winks committed, onomah committed, ccv committed, kwp committed, sterling committed. i can't see poch and levy allowing an exception regarding edwards

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Bit of a strange statement considering we got millions for Livermore, Carroll, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Townsend and Mason, and that Winks is now a fixture of the first team squad and would probably cost someone £20m+.

Onomah and KWP are both there or there abouts with only positives coming out of the club. Edwards seems to be the only dark cloud on the horizon and yet @Breezer has consistently said the ball's in his court etc...

although went for less than 1m, adam smith is now a PL player
i also remember that caulker went for a couple of millions

 

[degoose]

although went for less than 1m, adam smith is now a PL player
i also remember that caulker went for a couple of millions

Charlie Daniels and Dean Marney as well are both now playing in the premier league. With Daniels being in the Bournemouth team regularly.

 

[nicdic]

i guess no one told him about the 21 day rule then lol. edun and sessegnon are also out in austria with fulham's first team squad. i know we all hope there's nothing going on and everything is fine but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that poch has excluded him from first team plans until he signs.

All that's clear is he's not gone to the US. We know nothing about his relationship with Poch, or the situation with the contract.

 

[glospur]

i guess no one told him about the 21 day rule then lol. edun and sessegnon are also out in austria with fulham's first team squad. i know we all hope there's nothing going on and everything is fine but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that poch has excluded him from first team plans until he signs.

Poch has done so or he's following orders from higher up?

 

[scat1620]

I'm becoming increasingly worried by the Edwards situation. Without getting into the various different arguments about why we're struggling to improve the squad via the transfer market this summer, what's clear is that we are struggling to improve the squad via the transfer market.

Therefore if we're finding making transfers a tricky business, surely we should be making every effort to integrate the best players in our youth system into the first team? Common consensus is that Edwards is easily the best of our attacking players at youth level, so - with the club clearly on the lookout for attacking players (see: Wilfried Zaha / Thomas Lemar / Ross Barkley) - I really hope that we don't end up losing Edwards through any intransigence in whatever our policies are around youth players. If we're all accepting that finances mean we have to stick to some strict limits when dabbling in the transfer market, then hopefully we have the good sense to not make life any tougher for ourselves than we need to when trying to bring talented youth players like Edwards through into the first team.

 

[scat1620]

All that's clear is he's not gone to the US. We know nothing about his relationship with Poch, or the situation with the contract.

We don't know that, but given that we're all admitting that we don't know the reason why Edwards isn't there and can only go on face value, then on face value the fact that he isn't there (and that a number of other youth players are - including the likes of Miller, Dinzeyi and TOB, who are still a long way from the first team) is surely a discouraging sign for the multitude of informed youth team watchers in this thread* who rate Edwards very highly and are eager to see him make steps towards an integration into the first team squad.

*I'm not one of those people, I just pop in to see what the people who know their stuff re: the youth team are chatting about.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

We don't know that, but given that we're all admitting that we don't know the reason why Edwards isn't there and can only go on face value, then on face value the fact that he isn't there (and that a number of other youth players are - including the likes of Miller, Dinzeyi and TOB, who are still a long way from the first team) is surely a discouraging sign for the multitude of informed youth team watchers in this thread* who rate Edwards very highly and are eager to see him make steps towards an integration into the first team squad.

*I'm not one of those people, I just pop in to see what the people who know their stuff re: the youth team are chatting about.

he was involved in the match against gillingham. pretty sure without injuries he would have more involvements last season