The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

[dtxspurs]

3) Get the deadwoods out by August 31. Sell/Loan Janssen,Rose,Llorente. Cut the deadwood and create space for Jan window

We can't sell Rose and both of those forwards... cause you know we didn't sign anyone to take their place.

 

[hakano]

I'll try to keep this as objective as possible, mostly to use this as a time capsule to reflect on come May.

Our transfer system is broken. Not only because we didn't sign anyone, but because it's an inefficient business model for an organization of this size. Our youth system is struggling, not flourishing, and Poch shouldn't have to give a thought to who is or isn't going to be signed by the time we're one week from the start of the season.

Transfer window: Today is horrible, but the reality of a window doesn't set in for weeks, months even. It's now difficult to see how we could be significantly better than last year, but easy to see how we could be potentially worse after a busy WC and accumulated injuries.

Levy: What a horrible idea (in any business) to have one man responsible for a new multi-million £ structure, hiring/firing top staff, supervising financials, and transfers for a (supposedly) £2B organization. We need a dedicated, top class, empowered DOF—end of.

Poch: For a man who has given every second of every day of the last 4 years to this club AND garnered great success with limited resources for what is now a top-level club, Levy should be moving mountains to support him. I really don't understand where Poch stands atm, but I don't see how no ins/outs is an example of moving mountains.

If we get top 4 and nothing else, it's easy to see why he would want to move elsewhere. If we win a trophy, he can honestly say job done and wipe his hands of having to ever deal with Levy again.

Squad: Window aside, what a fantastic summer for our players. Lloris winning the WC, England in the semis, Belgium in the semis, Kane with the Golden Boot, and Tripps surprised a lot of people.

Still, I don't buy that Kane is playing as well as he did before the injury. And Tripps shined bc 1) he's good but 2) the WC is slower paced than the EPL and while he may have improved mentally, it's foolish to assume we now have a world class RB.

Dembele, Winks, and Wanyama are not 100% physically reliable and should not be treated as such for some time. Llorente and Sissoko are apparently still here.

Toby: Great, we didn't sell to ManU. If he plays, then we have the best CBs in the league and a tactical flexibility of 3 at the back again should Poch want it. However, if he sits the bench and there is even the slightest chance of this being a distraction to the squad, he should be sold overseas in January for his release clause price or more.

Youth: While Skipp and Amos were impressing, many of our best talents were, or are going to be, shipped out the door. Everyone knows about Edwards and Griffiths (top U18 scorer last year) but maybe less so Bennetts, Forson, and Madueke.

If we're losing talents because of "personality issues" — uh, they're kids. If the youth academy isn't teaching them discipline within the trade, then who do we expect will? And if it's because Poch isn't letting them through to the first team but we also aren't signing anyone, then we have a serious problem (FYI: we have a serious problem).

Hitchen: Surprisingly little coming up about our him throughout all of this, but I can't stop thinking: what is he doing here? Levy doesn't follow through with a single recommendation, or (less likely) he couldn't provide any?

Direct Competitors: I don't care what anyone says, Liverpool had a fantastic window. As JJ said, "[Liverpool] have completely overpaid (again) and have a lot more money and completely screwed the market but fair enough to them as they can obviously afford it." If they can deal with the financial consequences, they not only got their needed players in—they did it early and helped paralyze the market for almost every other team at their level.

Meanwhile, Chelsea also bit the financial bullet and have built what is likely to be one of the most competitive midfields in the world while appointing someone who will know exactly how to make the most of it (unlike, say, Mou).

SC: Let's be real, a lot of the reason people are angry is because, like me, they spent an entire summer here reading thread after thread and now it feels like it was massive waste of time. Because it was...and wasn't.

I understand as well as anyone here the excitement for a new piece of ITK, but can no longer justify my time spent here (journey) with the inevitable reality (destination). For a long time I have mistaken transfers for football. Sure they're related, but ITK, media, Twitter, etc. doesn't owe us anything and more often than not leads nowhere.

Ultimately, the end result is the same for a fan who follows ITK and those who don't, and the difference in which those learn about something concrete is often no more than a day apart. So love it for the journey, or find a new summer hobby—which is exactly what I'll be doing next year.

Massive thank you to the mods and the ITKs who make this place what it is. Donating now and COYS

Post of the window!

 

[Indisguise]

We're turning into Arsenal!!

That's been my fear for quite some time.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

At least our chairman sees it fit to pay himself the best salary in the premier league - with supporters money. All we wanted was one top quality signing, a midfielder ideally to help us challenge the top position.

 

[sausage]

At least our chairman sees it fit to pay himself the best salary in the premier league - with sponsors money. All we wanted was one top quality signing, a midfielder ideally to help us challenge the top position.

FYP

 

[Metalhead]

I expect Durham was expressing a balanced view of the situation on TalkSport and didn't completely slaughter us.

 

[arunspurs]

We can't sell Rose and both of those forwards... cause you know we didn't sign anyone to take their place.

I beg to differ.
Llorente absoltely offers us nothing. And we dont play to his strength. I saw the preseason games , nothing really has changed. I would rather play Moura upfront (who surprisingly is so good aerially & physical) or play Son or Lamela if Kane got injured.

Rose - Very fact that we are even ok to loan him out says club has given up on Rose. Aurier played only one game at LB for us, that was in a great 4-1 win over Liverpool where he played superbly. KWP is clearly not doing well in LB. But in RB he seems very good. Davies & Trippier with Aurier & KWP , we can get by till Jan window.

Even without Janssen we had no place for Foyth or Lamela in CL squad. So, like it or not we have to trim the squad

 

[dtxspurs]

I beg to differ.
Llorente absoltely offers us nothing. And we dont play to his strength. I saw the preseason games , nothing really has changed. I would rather play Moura upfront (who surprisingly is so good aerially & physical) or play Son or Lamela if Kane got injured.

Rose - Very fact that we are even ok to loan him out says club has given up on Rose. Aurier played only one game at LB for us, that was in a great 4-1 win over Liverpool where he played superbly. KWP is clearly not doing well in LB. But in RB he seems very good. Davies & Trippier with Aurier & KWP , we can get by till Jan window.

Even without Janssen we had no place for Foyth or Lamela in CL squad. So, like it or not we have to trim the squad

We still need professonal players in case of emergency. Flog off Nkoudou, Sissoko, and Janssen but we need the rest for the season.

And yes, I would rather play youth players, Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Lamela, etc at CM than he.

 

[spursfan77]

The supporters trust have put out a statement

http://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/thst-comment-on-transfer-window

“We have much to be proud of at Spurs. Nine of our players featured in the World Cup semi-finals. Over the last few years, a manager we revere has forged an exciting team that has challenged for top honours. And more fans than the Club cares to acknowledge recognise the challenges and achievements of running a sustainable business and building a top class stadium.

But fans come to watch the team. A team that will start the season with many of its key members still tired after the World Cup. And a squad that most rational observers would agree could benefit from more depth. It is not unreasonable to question if it was really the case that, alone among Europe’s top clubs, Spurs could find no player who would improve their squad while our rivals strengthened theirs.

Earlier this year, the Club objected to THST’s criticism of steep ticket price rises. It told us we could not expect players to be signed or wages to be competitive while we opposed those ticket price rises. Fans have paid the prices asked. And yet no signings have been made.

We know that gate receipts are no longer as fundamental as they once were for financing transfer fees or wages. But ticketing income at Spurs is now higher than it has ever been. We are curious as to what that money has been used for. We have been told the stadium build will not affect transfer spending.

We are told that we don’t have to sign players because we develop our youth. Yet four of our most promising prospects left the Club this summer. Of the current first team squad, just two regulars have come up through the ranks.

We love what has been developed, but for all the great football we’ve seen over the last few seasons, there are no trophies to show.

We have the highest paid Chairman in the Premier League. Our fans pay some of the highest prices in world football. Our support for our team and our admiration for what has been achieved remains strong. However, we believe fans are entitled to a full and credible explanation of what has happened this summer.”

THST Board
9 August 2018

I'm sorry, but anyone who has believed that from day one has been living in cloud cuckoo land. It was always going to effect the finances of the club and transfers. Theres no other reason for our net spend each year, especially once FFP ended!

 

[Metalhead]

That's been my fear for quite some time.

I'll have some of their trophies.

 

[Metalhead]

I'm sorry, but anyone who has believed that from day one has been living in cloud cuckoo land. It was always going to effect the finances of the club and transfers. Theres no other reason for our net spend each year, especially once FFP ended!

Levy said it though didn't he?

 

[dagraham]

By not throwing money around like it's going out of business I think we've done the right thing ensuring we don't get mugged off in the future. Bayern Munich always have wonderful players yet their transfer record is less than ours I believe. Show your hand and what you're willing to pay and teams from all over the world will top up what they'd be prepared to accept by a further £10m-£20m.

If we continue sticking to our guns we may miss out on class but we won't pay over the top for showponies & flash in the pans. In the future when Tottenham come calling teams will know they need to treat us with more respect when negotiating because we value and respect monies worth. Like it or not it is the right thing to do both short, medium and long term under Levy's & ENICS ownership

Sorry mate, but I don’t buy this argument. If that was the case, how did we sign Lloris, Eriksen and Toby for around £10m each when the same chairman had previously paid £18m for Bentley, Paulinho, Darren Bent and £25m+ for Soldado etc?

 

[Ekmek]

I guess Enic wants to sell. Cant se any other reason this is just so weird.

 

[arunspurs]

We still need professonal players in case of emergency. Flog off Nkoudou, Sissoko, and Janssen but we need the rest for the season.

And yes, I would rather play youth players, Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Lamela, etc at CM than he.

Poch is not going to ditch Sissoko anytime soon. Nkoudou - he had good preseason + Son is unavailable for first month and also in Jan. So, I would rather keep Nkoudou till Jan.

 

[dtxspurs]

Poch is not going to ditch Sissoko anytime soon. Nkoudou - he had good preseason + Son is unavailable for first month and also in Jan. So, I would rather keep Nkoudou till Jan.

I mean, I don't disagree. Its more just wishful thinking.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Turns out being a rich, successful and intelligent businessman doesn't mean you are exempt from making occasional mistakes, who'd have thought it?

A few of us actually over the last week or so, many talked down to by the Levy fan club.

Even when I had a bad feeling I always held out hope, right up until around 12pm today I'd say. That faith was clearly misplaced. Can't imagine the shock of the 'true believers'.

To be fair to him he did hold on to the likes of Rose, Dembele and Toby when it was clear no incomings were happening. I was concerned even with incomings we'd come out weaker today so bravo to him for that.

The key for him now is to deliver the new contracts (especially Eriksen) and establish a more competitive salary base at the club.

The league is back on Saturday. Poch and the lads have a chance to cheer us all up. Football is powerful like that. Let's hope for a good season irrespective of this summer. COYS

 

[Rod101]

I think that this was kind of ENIC's plan all along. Take Spurs to a place where they're competitive, in the CL consistently, improve the infrastructure of the club, including a new stadium and improving revenue, keep the overheads low (salaries etc) and then flog the club for a huge profit. I wouldn't be surprised if the club is made available shortly.

 

[barry]

I guess Enic wants to sell. Cant se any other reason this is just so weird.

How does buying players effect the selling price?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Sorry mate, but I don’t buy this argument. If that was the case, how did we sign Lloris, Eriksen and Toby for around £10m each when the same chairman had previously paid £18m for Bentley, Paulinho, Darren Bent and £25m+ for Soldado etc?

Every teams going to make good buys and poor buys in windows but when you look at our flops, all of them were doing really good things at the time with their respected clubs. We paid a premium for them because of how well they were doing, not because we chucked an extra £10m-£15m to get the deal over the line. When you look at their signings and their status at the time compared to what Eriksen, Toby &a Hugo were achieving the prices kind of fall in line with what we paid for all of them. (I think Eriksen was in the last year of his contract as well so we got him knock down).

Football since the TV money poured in a couple of years ago has gone crazy transfer wise and teams all over the world know they can charge Premier League clubs far more for a player than if a team from Ligue 1 come in for exactly the same talent. If we had laid down a marker by spending £50m on someone like Ndombele who has 1 season under his belt playing for a respected European club and is yet to win an international cap, we shownour hand as to what we are currently prepared to pay for equivalent or better potential than him or others in the future. Teams like Liverpool inflated the market and with us holding firm we miss out short term but gain a reputation as one of the premier league teams you can't bully because you know what they've got in the bank. Money is money, regardless of how much of it you've got at the time and Levy currently runs a tight ship in an era where transfer prices have the steepest inflation curve in footballs history

 

[Johnny J]

I can't actually even process that we are the only team in Europe's top five leagues to not sign a player. This feels like the most extreme illustration of the fallacious belief that although everyone below and above us can get players to improve, and despite us winning nothing and scraping third last season, we can't find anyone - literally anyone - that will improve us and that we can sign.

Outside of a handful of clubs above us in the pecking order, we are tremendously attractive for players.