The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - 15th/16th August 2015

[PT]

I was thinking all the inside is on Berahino and quite righlty as it's also in national press etc, as is the tenuous link to the other well known Premiership standard striker presently plying trade in the Championship, Charlie Austin.

As the window closure draws nearer, it owuld not surprise me in the least to find a last minute scramble by media and our own ITKs lnking a highly unlikely striker who, like Swansea unearthing Michu, come in last doors and do a job in supporting a worn out knackered, injured Harry Kane, no longer a Hurri-cane, more a stiff breeze.

 

[Spurger King]

The modding on here is good, but indirectly people are showing no regard to the ITKs by insisting that Levy is ruining the club, despite the fact that the window is not closed and the ITKs are insisting irons are in the fire.

So let me get this straight...you think anyone having a go at Levy and the way the club is run is indirectly being disrespectful to the ITKs?

If everything goes tits up it wouldn't be the first time that ITK has been passed on in good faith only for things to not work out. Obviously people shouldn't be having a pop at the ITK, but it's quite a leap to imply that everyone on the forum should tip toe around the problems they see with the running of the club because some ITKs have said positive things about our transfer plans.

 

[225]

So we're getting a central midfielder and a striker no matter what; it just might not be Berahino.

I've very much warmed to the idea of Embolo - so much so that he's someone I'd prefer than any of our perceived first choices.

The way I see it, we're either going to have to get someone underwhelming with experience (so that they can make an impact but are happy as backup/rotating with Kane) or someone a bit more 'raw' (like with N'jie).

I can't see us getting another WF without shifting some of our current choices - I don't see who we'd drop otherwise, as we'll have to pick 3 out of N'Jie, Eriksen, Lamela, Dembele, Chadli, Townsend and Pritchard as it is...

 

[Jaffer99]

All the ITK's about a striker coming in, it is the DM we need most, if we don't sort out our defence, we could have have the best striker in the world and it wouldn't make a difference, we would still let in tons of goals..

 

[diamond lights]

So let me get this straight...you think anyone having a go at Levy and the way the club is run is indirectly being disrespectful to the ITKs?

If everything goes tits up it wouldn't be the first time that ITK has been passed on in good faith only for things to not work out. Obviously people shouldn't be having a pop at the ITK, but it's quite a leap to imply that everyone on the forum should tip toe around the problems they see with the running of the club because some ITKs have said positive things about our transfer plans.

DL did say it would be the last two weeks of the window

 

[daveduvet]

Daniel, is that you?

I've the bald head

 

[Gbspurs]

All the ITK's about a striker coming in, it is the DM we need most, if we don't sort out our defence, we could have have the best striker in the world and it wouldn't make a difference, we would still let in tons of goals..

Its not though is it. Defence starts from the front and if Stoke has anything to worry about them they wouldn't have put so much pressure on us. Basically there was no risk of is counterattacking as we were too slow and no-one up top stop them from doing what they wanted.

We desperately need a striker.

 

[Disconosebleed]

All the ITK's about a striker coming in, it is the DM we need most, if we don't sort out our defence, we could have have the best striker in the world and it wouldn't make a difference, we would still let in tons of goals..

Its not though is it. Defence starts from the front and if Stoke has anything to worry about them they wouldn't have put so much pressure on us. Basically there was no risk of is counterattacking as we were too slow and no-one up top stop them from doing what they wanted.

We desperately need a striker.

They're both essential. We cannot afford to go until January without an improvement at centre mid (although to be fair Dier has exceeded expectations so far IMO and has been perfectly fine in that position) and an alternative to Kane.

I know little about Njie but from what I've read he's more of a wide forward or someone who plays off the main striker, so we still don't have a central striker other than Kane. Neither is more important than the other, they're both non-negotiable if only for reasons of squad depth (though obviously we should be aiming for top players rather than just more dead wood to ship out in a year's time). Yesterday showed that the worst case scenario, needing to play Chadli and Dier out of position in key areas of the pitch, is far too close for comfort.

 

[Lilbaz]

So let me get this straight...you think anyone having a go at Levy and the way the club is run is indirectly being disrespectful to the ITKs?

If everything goes tits up it wouldn't be the first time that ITK has been passed on in good faith only for things to not work out. Obviously people shouldn't be having a pop at the ITK, but it's quite a leap to imply that everyone on the forum should tip toe around the problems they see with the running of the club because some ITKs have said positive things about our transfer plans.

Think it's when an itk says that we are in for blah blah then posters totally ignore it and go on a rant about how we are not getting anyone and the window is terrible blah blah. Or if they take the time to explain (on numerous occasions) the situation and be totally ignored as trix has done so many times.

It is a bit rude, to do it in this thread particularly.

 

[ross the saint]

So let me get this straight...you think anyone having a go at Levy and the way the club is run is indirectly being disrespectful to the ITKs?

If everything goes tits up it wouldn't be the first time that ITK has been passed on in good faith only for things to not work out. Obviously people shouldn't be having a pop at the ITK, but it's quite a leap to imply that everyone on the forum should tip toe around the problems they see with the running of the club because some ITKs have said positive things about our transfer plans.

The point that I was trying to make is that when this thread is for discussing ITK, it's not the place to disregard the ITK and set about arguing over how the transfer window is going, when it's not yet closed, and the ITKs are posting positive stuff.

But no more on the matter, we are all digressing enough.

 

[225]

So let me get this straight...you think anyone having a go at Levy and the way the club is run is indirectly being disrespectful to the ITKs?

If everything goes tits up it wouldn't be the first time that ITK has been passed on in good faith only for things to not work out. Obviously people shouldn't be having a pop at the ITK, but it's quite a leap to imply that everyone on the forum should tip toe around the problems they see with the running of the club because some ITKs have said positive things about our transfer plans.

I find it really odd and contradictory with the general themes, though. They are:

a) We never back the manager
b) We always sign squad players who don't improve the team
c) We never sign the exact players the manager wants
d) We never plug the obvious gaps in the team

But what people don't consider is, if we're backing the manager and Poch says "I want (for example) Berahino and no one else", and we put a bid in for Berahino, WBA could just say "No thanks, we want to keep him" or "We want to wait until the end of the window".

Poch might just say "I'd rather wait and see if they change their minds as he is the player I want". He obviously was okay with Soldado going and Coulthirst going out on loan, as Soldado was left out of pre-season well before the actual transfer. So if Levy just went and signed a make-do (as some perceive Saha to have been) people would be in a piss about that, too.

I just don't get why people are always losing their knickers over assumptions. The ITK doesn't suggest the club are actually doing anything but squirrelling away trying to make things happen, so I don't know why anyone has to blame either the chairman, manager or ITKs? Let's just be patient!

 

[Hercules]

I find it really odd and contradictory with the general themes, though. They are:

a) We never back the manager
b) We always sign squad players who don't improve the team
c) We never sign the exact players the manager wants
d) We never plug the obvious gaps in the team

But what people don't consider is, if we're backing the manager and Poch says "I want (for example) Berahino and no one else", and we put a bid in for Berahino, WBA could just say "No thanks, we want to keep him" or "We want to wait until the end of the window".

Poch might just say "I'd rather wait and see if they change their minds as he is the player I want". He obviously was okay with Soldado going and Coulthirst going out on loan, as Soldado was left out of pre-season well before the actual transfer. So if Levy just went and signed a make-do (as some perceive Saha to have been) people would be in a piss about that, too.

I just don't get why people are always losing their knickers over assumptions. The ITK doesn't suggest the club are actually doing anything but squirrelling away trying to make things happen, so I don't know why anyone has to blame either the chairman, manager or ITKs? Let's just be patient!

"Poch might just say "I'd rather wait and see if they change their minds as he is the player I want". He obviously was okay with Soldado going and Coulthirst going out on loan, as Soldado was left out of pre-season well before the actual transfer. So if Levy just went and signed a make-do (as some perceive Saha to have been) people would be in a piss about that, too."

Do you really expect Poch to rock the boat? No manager in their right mind would want to start a season letting a striker go with just one striker, unless there was an instant replacement coming in the same time and not just promised. Clinton is not a striker and awaiting work permit.

 

[worcestersauce]

He may have been - but how was he against Stoke. I don't really want to say that Alderweireld is a poor player. I just don't think he'd be a starter at any if the top five -and that's who we're trying to beat. ITK talks of good incomings. I'm just hoping that these will be notch-above players that would be able to win a starting berth at any of the 'top five' teams.

We are one of the top five teams.

 

[Spurger King]

The point that I was trying to make is that when this thread is for discussing ITK, it's not the place to disregard the ITK and set about arguing over how the transfer window is going, when it's not yet closed, and the ITKs are posting positive stuff.

But no more on the matter, we are all digressing enough.

Ah fair enough. Thought you meant the site in general.

 

[Brazilyid]

Having shared stuff publicly on this forum I have to say the mods are great as are 95% of the posters.

I still share stuff on here with the mods and it gets posted but wouldnt do it on the ITK thread anymore as those 5% make you want to leave and not share. Hopefully Jasper will come to SC as would be a welcome addition.

It can get a little bit frustrating when stuff comes off and you can't get credit but at the same time a relief when it doesn't. The goat is sometimes the safest way.

ps. There are many who post through the goat. And to note the latest info is not mine.

 

[Joshua]

All the ITK's about a striker coming in, it is the DM we need most, if we don't sort out our defence, we could have have the best striker in the world and it wouldn't make a difference, we would still let in tons of goals..

Hints earlier in the thread we're having a look at Illarramendi or maybe a different CM that shares his agent. Still actively pursuing a DM it seems.

 

[225]

No manager in their right mind would want to start a season letting a striker go with just one striker, unless there was an instant replacement coming in the same time and not just promised. Clinton is not a striker and awaiting work permit.

Exactly. Well, half. You're still assuming.

But Pochettino wouldn't leave us with only one recognised striker unless he had appropriate plans. Literally every leak we've had from Sherwood, AVB, and Redknapp has suggested that DL is more eager to sign players than the manager(s) have been. Why should this be any different?

Should he back the manager, or sign a player the manager doesn't want? Make your minds up!

Perhaps WBA have said "you're not having Saido" or Pochettino isn't sure he wants to risk another Soldado (expensive gamble). We don't know. ITK is that we're considering alternatives, which suggests that we can't get things moving.

 

[Spursidol]

"Poch might just say "I'd rather wait and see if they change their minds as he is the player I want". He obviously was okay with Soldado going and Coulthirst going out on loan, as Soldado was left out of pre-season well before the actual transfer. So if Levy just went and signed a make-do (as some perceive Saha to have been) people would be in a piss about that, too."

Do you really expect Poch to rock the boat? No manager in their right mind would want to start a season letting a striker go with just one striker, unless there was an instant replacement coming in the same time and not just promised. Clinton is not a striker and awaiting work permit.

N'Jie can and does play as a striker (as well as wide forward) and has one of the essentials for a striker - he scores goals, something which Soldado was not renowned for at Spurs so no surprise that Soldado was allowed to leave when N'Jie joined

 

[Disconosebleed]

I find it really odd and contradictory with the general themes, though. They are:

a) We never back the manager
b) We always sign squad players who don't improve the team
c) We never sign the exact players the manager wants
d) We never plug the obvious gaps in the team

But what people don't consider is, if we're backing the manager and Poch says "I want (for example) Berahino and no one else", and we put a bid in for Berahino, WBA could just say "No thanks, we want to keep him" or "We want to wait until the end of the window".

Poch might just say "I'd rather wait and see if they change their minds as he is the player I want". He obviously was okay with Soldado going and Coulthirst going out on loan, as Soldado was left out of pre-season well before the actual transfer. So if Levy just went and signed a make-do (as some perceive Saha to have been) people would be in a piss about that, too.

I just don't get why people are always losing their knickers over assumptions. The ITK doesn't suggest the club are actually doing anything but squirrelling away trying to make things happen, so I don't know why anyone has to blame either the chairman, manager or ITKs? Let's just be patient!

Time will tell and we'll know one way or the other by the end of the window, but it's fair enough for fans to be skeptical as we've been burned before, going past many a deadline day with gaping holes in the squad. I'm not too worried at the moment - ideally we'd have got everything sorted before the opening game, but for whatever reason this doesn't seem to be the done thing any more, and we're far from the only side who have yet to address obvious weaknesses in their squads - however the fact that we're not just a little low on numbers but completely lacking an alternative to Kane and currently using a young central defender in defensive mid with two games already gone is worrying. We ended Saturday's game with makeshift players in two key positions, and we have a fully fit squad at the moment, it's not like this is the result of an injury crisis.

 

[Hercules]

N'Jie can and does play as a striker (as well as wide forward) and has one of the essentials for a striker - he scores goals, something which Soldado was not renowned for at Spurs so no surprise that Soldado was allowed to leave when N'Jie joined

Granted, but not a specialist according to my French friends. My point is to let Soldado go is ok but should of had a replacement ready to be announced aside from N'Jie, as permit would restrict him for couple weeks I think.