The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - 22nd/23rd August 2015

[SpursSvedala]

We haven't even replaced Modric yet, I'm not holding my breathe for any more signings

No ITK indicating that we are replacing Bale or VdV either for that matter, right?

 

[monkeynick]

Oh well, its only you who'll end up gutted then.

True.

But imagine my smugometer when it turns out he won't single handedly fire us to CL football (as is the impression from the desperation levels on here)
I'll be smugger than Pardew breeding with Sherwood!

 

[Trix]

We haven't even replaced Modric yet, I'm not holding my breathe for any more signings

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

 

[Dean]

True.

But imagine my smugometer when it turns out he won't single handedly fire us to CL football (as is the impression from the desperation levels on here)
I'll be smugger than Pardew breeding with Sherwood!

What, you hope that he won't help us get CL just so you can be proved right? WT Holy F?!

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

to an extent I agree. Although at times it doesn't even seem like we bother even try. Since Modric departed the only note worthy 'replacement' we have brought in has been Dembele. Not saying we can attract world class players but we surely can sign players touted as potential stars. 1 CM replacement in 4 years is straight appalling, no excuses i'm sorry.

 

[Breezer]

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

Maybe not world class but we have had years and failed to replace Modric with a creative CM. Selling Mods for £30-35m and not finding a similar type of player (moutinho) shows the failings of our scouting and Levy re-investing money.

 

[SamR]

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

Whilst it's clear Spurs will never compete for a top player against the top clubs, teams all around the premiership have managed to go and buy very good players. The gap between 6th (I'd say Liverpool have overtaken on us paper) and the bottom is a lot narrower now and Spurs haven't done enough in the market to consolidate a top 6 position yet.

We really could end up screwed and it's worrying we are looking desparate for Berahino - If WBA play us have we really got other targets in mind? What's happened to this dream team of Scouts to go find the likes of Benteke/Bony/Michu/Pelle before they make it big?

I'll save judgement until end of the window as I always do, but in an ideal world how many of the first 11 would you not go out and replace right now? The lack of real quality is frightening.

 

[Spurger King]

Maybe not world class but we have had years and failed to replace Modric with a creative CM. Selling Mods for £30-35m and not finding a similar type of player (moutinho) shows the failings of our scouting and Levy re-investing money.

Exactly. For years we were led to believe that we had money to spend, but that we couldn't convince players to join us. Then Moutinho gave us the green light by saying he'd like to play for AVB again and we come up short (whilst buying a bunch of cheaper but ultimately mediocre players instead).

I still get the impression that instead of buying Berahino for £21m, Levy would rather buy two shit strikers for £10m that will end up being sold for a loss in a year or two.

 

[thebenjamin]

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

Or any type of playmaker capable of passing the ball in central midfield.

 

[monkeynick]

What, you hope that he won't help us get CL just so you can be proved right? WT Holy F?!

Context my man

 

[DiscoD1882]

Groundhog Day!!!

 

[rocklink]

Not sure what you mean we have brought quite a few and indeed brought through quite a few cm since then. If you mean we haven't replaced him with a world class centre midfielder that was the same level then you're right. I think you can probably work out why that is though when you look at the spending power other clubs around us.

Do you really sign any top quality creative playmaker after the departure of modric ? I don't think so .... That's the problem ... And heck even after the bale departure , we badly needed one speedy merchant who can run in behind defense and yet here we are don't replace him at all .... We are looking for bits and pieces player , buying box to box midfielders after midfielders hoping someone will be the new lampard but it will not happen ...

 

[mill]

Exactly. For years we were led to believe that we had money to spend, but that we couldn't convince players to join us. Then Moutinho gave us the green light by saying he'd like to play for AVB again and we come up short (whilst buying a bunch of cheaper but ultimately mediocre players instead).

I still get the impression that instead of buying Berahino for £21m, Levy would rather buy two shit strikers for £10m that will end up being sold for a loss in a year or two.

Seems value for money is more important than skillset

 

[Trix]

In reply to the three posters above, Paulinho was seen by most of the world as a player that would go on to be a world class CM. Tim Vickery, for example is a superb(IMO) analyst of S. American players, and he couldn't stop telling everyone just how good this guy would be in the Prem. It didn't work out like that, but the money was spent on what many believed would go on to be world class.

 

[mill]

In reply to the three posters above, Paulinho was seen by most of the world as a player that would go on to be a world class CM. Tim Vickery, for example is a superb(IMO) analyst of S. American players, and he couldn't stop telling everyone just how good this guy would be in the Prem. It didn't work out like that, but the money was spent on what many believed would go on to be world class.

We didn't need that type of player, we were desperate for a playmaker

 

[Jamturk]

In reply to the three posters above, Paulinho was seen by most of the world as a player that would go on to be a world class CM. Tim Vickery, for example is a superb(IMO) analyst of S. American players, and he couldn't stop telling everyone just how good this guy would be in the Prem. It didn't work out like that, but the money was spent on what many believed would go on to be world class.

I agree, I think its another case of buying players that are not suitable for the system we want to play. He is quite clearly a box 2 box midfielder. Not a Double pivot player or a no 10.

 

[thebenjamin]

In reply to the three posters above, Paulinho was seen by most of the world as a player that would go on to be a world class CM. Tim Vickery, for example is a superb(IMO) analyst of S. American players, and he couldn't stop telling everyone just how good this guy would be in the Prem. It didn't work out like that, but the money was spent on what many believed would go on to be world class.

No one could have ever watched Paulinho play and think he was a playmaker. Even if he had turned out good we still wouldn't have had anyone who could pass. He's a bits and pieces midfielder, even on a good day.

 

[Spurger King]

In reply to the three posters above, Paulinho was seen by most of the world as a player that would go on to be a world class CM. Tim Vickery, for example is a superb(IMO) analyst of S. American players, and he couldn't stop telling everyone just how good this guy would be in the Prem. It didn't work out like that, but the money was spent on what many believed would go on to be world class.

Have to admit that I thought Paulinho would be a good signing. From the little I'd seen of him for Brazil he reminded me of Carrick - solid, consistent passing and capable of winning the ball, along with the occasional goal. He dominated against Norwich then seemed to lose interest.

I thought Dembele was a good signing too, but not a Modric replacement. As others have said, it's not about bringing in a world class creative midfielder, but about finding someone that can pass and likes to pass forward. Probably the closest we've had to that sort of player is Carroll or Mason - neither of which are anywhere near consistent enough to be long-term prospects.

 

[ross the saint]

Here we go again. Yawn.

Levy is damned if he does and damned if he don't.

You can see just from today's thread that people on here will moan if he doesn't go out and pay whatever WBA want for Berahino, but if he does then others will moan that he has overspent on an average player.

If the club go out and buy a relatively obscure player who doesn't become world class, then they've messed up, but only by buying these players will we ever stand a chance of ending up with real quality in our side, we can't just go out and 'replace Modric', not inviting suggestions but who the f*ck would you have them buy?

ITK says irons are in the fire. As Stoof said, let's save the bitching for after the window has slammed shut. Because it always slams.

 

[rawhide]

Is it 2013 again?

Please don't tread over old ground just cause there's no ITK.