The Y Word

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm still shaking with rage I can tell you. As many of you know I've been supporting this club for over 6O years. In the 60s I often went to home and some away games with a group of school friends. One of those was Jewish. I have stood with him and them at Chelsea and West Ham, supporting our club.
Indeed I sometimes went round his house with at various times Spurs West Ham and Man U friends
We played cards and his lovely mum used to bring us up coffee and sandwiches.

You're a top bloke, a great member of the site & a bloody passionate supporter of this club for over 6 decades.

Do NOT let one person detract from that.

 

[McFlash]

You're a top bloke, a great member of the site & a bloody passionate supporter of this club for over 6 decades.

Do NOT let one person detract from that.

And it was a comment from a new member who's probably leapt to all the wring conclusions, which is sometimes easy enough to do.

We all know @ShelfWatcher is a long-time, passionate fan.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

You're a top bloke, a great member of the site & a bloody passionate supporter of this club for over 6 decades.

Do NOT let one person detract from that.

Thanks for that, have had a Murphys and calmed down
I'm not bitter ?

 

[Nice One Cyril]

Thanks for that, have had a Murphys and calmed down
I'm not bitter ?

Stay as you are mate, your posts tell us all about your feelings for the club.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Just read what you wrote.
Just for the record I am not anti Semitic, have never ever been either.
I leave it to the mods to decide whether such an outrageous slur against me is worthy of a ban
I have of course reported you, first time I've done this on a forum
You know I could report you to the police for what you just wrote. I won't but I am fuming I can tell you.
I hope you have the decency to apologize, but will obviously be putting you on ignore
I sincerely can't believe what you've just written, smh

[/QUOTE]

I have re-read the posts leading up to mine and you are absolutely correct and I have read you completely out of context and I apologise.

All I can say in my defence (not that it is, really) - is that your posts contained references to Christian atheism and other similar references that leapt out to me - at the time - as being red flags for anti-Semitic language I've come across many times before. Reading these in conjunction with Nayim's long held animus I just assumed you were birds of a feather and that was simply not justified in any way whatsoever.

Again I apologise and will amend my original post accordingly.

 

[bomberH]

I'm still shaking with rage I can tell you. As many of you know I've been supporting this club for over 6O years. In the 60s I often went to home and some away games with a group of school friends. One of those was Jewish. I have stood with him and them at Chelsea and West Ham, supporting our club.
Indeed I sometimes went round his house with at various times Spurs West Ham and Man U friends
We played cards and his lovely mum used to bring us up coffee and sandwiches.

Anyone else think that story was heading in the direction of ‘and he used to get abuse for being Jewish so I fought with him against these bastards and spilt blood for him’. I’ll admit to being slightly disappointed when the story ended with ‘his lovely mum used to bring us coffee and sandwiches’.

 

[Schoon-related]

I appreciate it's open to debate and there are some who are ok with it and some who aren't. I certainly am not.

I first encountered its use in the 1990s, I think, and it left me deeply upset. I did my best to avoid it, but every now and then it rears its ugly head.

I find it deeply offensive and I'd be grateful if, from now on, we could avoid using the word 'Baddiel' in here.

 

[daveduvet]

I’ve always deemed the word Yid as a positive when sung by us; It takes back control & ownership of the word , and it subverts the original intention of it being used as a slur…as @JimmyG2 said at the start of this thread: ‘it’s anti anti-Semitic’

 

[Nice One Cyril]

I appreciate it's open to debate and there are some who are ok with it and some who aren't. I certainly am not.

I first encountered its use in the 1990s, I think, and it left me deeply upset. I did my best to avoid it, but every now and then it rears its ugly head.

I find it deeply offensive and I'd be grateful if, from now on, we could avoid using the word 'Baddiel' in here.

Brilliant!!!

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Anyone else think that story was heading in the direction of ‘and he used to get abuse for being Jewish so I fought with him against these bastards and spilt blood for him’. I’ll admit to being slightly disappointed when the story ended with ‘his lovely mum used to bring us coffee and sandwiches’.

Nope, never been a terrace warrior ?

 

[ShelfWatcher]

I have re-read the posts leading up to mine and you are absolutely correct and I have read you completely out of context and I apologise.

All I can say in my defence (not that it is, really) - is that your posts contained references to Christian atheism and other similar references that leapt out to me - at the time - as being red flags for anti-Semitic language I've come across many times before. Reading these in conjunction with Nayim's long held animus I just assumed you were birds of a feather and that was simply not justified in any way whatsoever.

Again I apologise and will amend my original post accordingly.
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Apology accepted mate, and am happy to leave it there. Best wishes and COYS

 

[southlondonyiddo]

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……..oh ffs

 

[absolute bobbins]

This again? Yid as a chant is awesome as is the history of it.

The CST and LBD have a lot more pressing issues than Spurs fans positively associating with us (Jews).

Oh and Baddiel’s opinion as a Jew is worthless. If he was so concerned about British Jewry, he’d keep Shabbat, keep kosher, he’d wear a kippah and wouldn’t have married out. As he has absolutely no skin in the game he is at best disingenuous and at worst is victim blaming.

I have no skin in the game either, I rarely go to shul, my wife isnt jewish, therefore neither is my daughter and I don’t really keep kosher but I have a lot of friends who do, most aren’t Spurs fans but none of them have ever been called a Yid when they’ve been racially abused and they are all either positive or indifferent to Spurs fans using Yid chants.

I don’t care if you don’t want to use Yid but if you give a dirty look at or think less of those who do, have a long, hard look at yourself.

 

[Dov67]

Every couple of years like clockwork some thick as two planks dipshit wants to make a name for himself by pretending to give a shit about antisemitism while completely misunderstanding what is, and in the process manages to miss and hence ignore the real antisemtism that exists in society.

Once again, as a practising, observant Jew our embrace of our Jewish fans and defiance in the face of the likes of Chelsea and west Ham fans Hilter and Auschwitz chants is one of the most powerful and profound messages of anti-racism in football, and one that fills me with pride.

If the CPS want to arrest me, they are going to have to convince a court that this synagogue going, kosher keeping, practicing Jew, who studied in Jerusalem is somehow an anti-Semite - good luck with that.

 

[teedee]

Every couple of years like clockwork some thick as two planks dipshit wants to make a name for himself by pretending to give a shit about antisemitism while completely misunderstanding what is, and in the process manages to miss and hence ignore the real antisemitism that exists in society.

Once again, as a practising, observant Jew our embrace of our Jewish fans and defiance in the face of the likes of Chelsea and west Ham fans Hitler and Auschwitz chants is one of the most powerful and profound messages of anti-racism in football, and one that fills me with pride.

If the CPS want to arrest me, they are going to have to convince a court that this synagogue going, kosher keeping, practicing Jew, who studied in Jerusalem is somehow an anti-Semite - good luck with that.

I have visited Bergen Belsen Concentration Camp three times over the years and each time my family and I have been moved to tears by the fact that so-called human beings were capable of treating their fellow humans so savagely.
My uncle was in the first wave of British troops to liberate Belsen and he said simply, 'There are no words to describe the horror'. Other than that he was unable to talk about it.

 

[specspurs]

I have visited Bergen Belsen Concentration Camp three times over the years and each time my family and I have been moved to tears by the fact that so-called human beings were capable of treating their fellow humans so savagely.
My uncle was in the first wave of British troops to liberate Belsen and he said simply, 'There are no words to describe the horror'. Other than that he was unable to talk about it.

From my family to yours...Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
It seems like your uncle liberated my aunt who was forced-marched from Auschwitz all the way to Belsen.
She was so emaciated when she was liberated that the British Red Cross sent her to neutral Sweden to recover, which thankfully, she did.
With this family background, I am proud to be a Yid, both in the original and the Tottenham-supporting sense, and although I rarely go to games nowadays, I completely agree with Dov's statement above.

 

[teedee]

From my family to yours...Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
It seems like your uncle liberated my aunt who was forced-marched from Auschwitz all the way to Belsen.
She was so emaciated when she was liberated that the British Red Cross sent her to neutral Sweden to recover, which thankfully, she did.
With this family background, I am proud to be a Yid, both in the original and the Tottenham-supporting sense, and although I rarely go to games nowadays, I completely agree with Dov's statement above.

I am so glad your aunt survived. It is almost impossible to imagine the absolute horror, degradation and terror these people endured. Of course it was mainly Jews, but the Nazis did away with anyone they didn't like, Romanies, the disabled and so on. The sub-human or Untermenschen , as they called them.

 

[FeilSpurs]

Is the CPS usually involved when trying to stop the chant,
or is this new ?
And do they have any real power to do anything ?

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Preface: I am a white jewish-american from NY. My father grew up in the lower east side in a yiddish speaking household, and it was his first language. Frankly, I would be lying to you if I didn't say that part of the reason I support this club is because of the identity to the tribe.

For the life of me, I don't understand why the UK has a hard on for this word and it being anti-semitic.

 

[THFCjosh]

Preface: I am a white jewish-american from NY. My father grew up in the lower east side in a yiddish speaking household, and it was his first language. Frankly, I would be lying to you if I didn't say that part of the reason I support this club is because of the identity to the tribe.

For the life of me, I don't understand why the UK has a hard on for this word and it being anti-semitic.

Am also Jewish, not sure about the US but the word Yid here is a racist word. I think it was made racist when Oswald Mosely, a famous Fascist UK politician was in prominence as he wanted to get rid of the 'Yids'. The convolution stems from the context, the Spurs supporters started using it as a defence mechanism as the other clubs would call us Yids as a racist term due to the large Jewish fanbase.

As a Jew, the word out of context is racist. If I were walking to the Synagogue and someone shouted Yid at me, this is a racial slur. At the football not so much. I'm ambivalent towards the word. As you say the the word as a Spurs fan especially as a Jewish Spurs fan makes me feel proud that my fellow supporters had/have my back when it comes to antisemitism. But the word on the whole is wrong, similar to the use of the N word I'd say.