The Y Word

[wrd]

So 'everyone' understands the argument yet still disagrees? Smh. Fwiw I sit in park lane and I hear it less and less every time I go. And eventually they will put a stop to it because to a lot of ppl it is offensive as the article shows. You can be stubborn and disagree all you want but that's the truth. When the club enforce the ban other clubs will enforce it too. Were in 2019 not the seventies

Your article didn't show anything of the sort, infact all the article did was reinforce most of our positions as being in line with the law because law is based on the intent of how a word is used. Again the article tried to use the ridiculous argument that saying a word used by spurs fans with pride because we are proud to be associated with the clubs heritage means that it justifies people committing hate crimes franky falls flat.

 

[Lilbaz]

So 'everyone' understands the argument yet still disagrees? Smh. Fwiw I sit in park lane and I hear it less and less every time I go. And eventually they will put a stop to it because to a lot of ppl it is offensive as the article shows. You can be stubborn and disagree all you want but that's the truth. When the club enforce the ban other clubs will enforce it too. Were in 2019 not the seventies

You are talking of banning a word regardless of context because somebody might find it offensive. That is what people are disagreeing with. Frog, fatty, queer, mick, should these be banned? Should the spanish be banned from using the word negro?

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

So 'everyone' understands the argument yet still disagrees? Smh. Fwiw I sit in park lane and I hear it less and less every time I go. And eventually they will put a stop to it because to a lot of ppl it is offensive as the article shows. You can be stubborn and disagree all you want but that's the truth. When the club enforce the ban other clubs will enforce it too. Were in 2019 not the seventies

So we should enforce a ban on "Yid" being used as a positive before other clubs ban "Yid" being used as a racist insult?

 

[Gassin's finest]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yid

 

[NayimFTHL]

So we should enforce a ban on "Yid" being used as a positive before other clubs ban "Yid" being used as a racist insult?

Yep one side has to start the process which I believe the club are beginning to do. We have to take the lead because other clubs wont do it first. For them, they will call us f****** y*** because we call ourselves that.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yep one side has to start the process which I believe the club are beginning to do. We have to take the lead because other clubs wont do it first. For them, they will call us f****** y*** because we call ourselves that.

No they called us f****** y*** before we called ourselves anything. It's like saying samuel jackson calling someone nigga is the reason that there is racism in america. If only he'd stop.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

You can be stubborn and disagree all you want

You don't say?

 

[degoose]

Yep one side has to start the process which I believe the club are beginning to do. We have to take the lead because other clubs wont do it first. For them, they will call us f****** y*** because we call ourselves that.

I don't get involved in this stuff often but that is complete and utter crap and you have no idea on the history then of why spurs fans call themselves Yids or Yiddo's. if we stop calling ourselves that are you implying suddenly that chelsea and west ham fans will very quickly become less racist and anti-semitic.

 

[NayimFTHL]

No they called us f****** y*** before we called ourselves anything. It's like saying samuel jackson calling someone nigga is the reason that there is racism in america. If only he'd stop.

So we should continue because they called us it first? Do you know how childish that sounds?

 

[NayimFTHL]

I don't get involved in this stuff often but that is complete and utter crap and you have no idea on the history then of why spurs fans call themselves Yids or Yiddo's. if we stop calling ourselves that are you implying suddenly that chelsea and west ham fans will very quickly become less racist and anti-semitic.

I do know the history. And how do u know they wont stop? Have we ever tried before? Once we stop, the authorities will take it much more seriously and prosecute like they would the n-word

 

['O Zio]

So we should continue because they called us it first? Do you know how childish that sounds?

Mate you're just embarrassing yourself now.

 

[NayimFTHL]

Mate you're just embarrassing yourself now.

Why don't u contribute something worthwhile mate

 

[specspurs]

You do realise that everyone in this thread understands those arguments just disagrees with them? The guy writing that article is more ignorant than anyone in this thread of how and why we call ourselves yids. We never normalised calling our jewish fans yids. That was other supporters, we just refused for them to be isolated and abused. So we all identified with the name as a fight against racism.

Why is it offensive? What is the actual meaning of the word? What other words should be policed incase they cause offence? As cameron said there has to be mens rea otherwise anything can be deemed offensive to somebody.

I'm a long time lurker, Jewish son of a Holocaust survivor, whose parents were both fluent in Yiddish and have passionately supported Spurs from afar since 1967.
This post, to me, hits the nail on the head. There is no offence in being called a Yid, particularly if you are one,either in a religious, cultural or footballing context.
It is all down to context as so many people have so rightly said.
And believe me I know, I have copped anti-Semitic abuse hundreds of times in many languages back in Sydney where I grew up.
When I first made my personal pilgrimage as a Spurs fan to White Hart Lane in the 80's, I was surprised and proud when the use of the word Yid and Yiddo were explained to me. This news hadn't reached me in my home in Oz when I left to backpack around Europe.
Here were people, fellow Tottenham fans, who were prepared to stand up for and 'fight' for the right of their Jewish fans not to be abused.
These people were rare indeed, they did not have to protect and help but could have just as easily turned on these Jews just like so many have before them.
Tottenham Hotspur should be proud of themselves for having fans such as these.
The only reason Jewish fans of other clubs are trying undermine Spurs appropriation of the Y-word is the discomfort and unease they feel when their own fans (and I'm especially looking at you Chelsea and David Baddiel) chant the Y-word in a clearly aggressive and anti-Semitic manner.
This is simply not the case at Spurs.
Long may it continue if the majority of the fan base wish it to!

 

[Lilbaz]

I do know the history. And how do u know they wont stop? Have we ever tried before? Once we stop, the authorities will take it much more seriously and prosecute like they would the n-word

They take it just as seriously as the n word. But there has to be context and intent taken into account as with most things.

 

[NayimFTHL]

And that is fine too. For me the bottom line is that many jews, spurs fans and non spurs fans find it offensive. You cannot just ignore that fact

 

[Lilbaz]

And that is fine too. For me the bottom line is that many jews, spurs fans and non spurs fans find it offensive. You cannot just ignore that fact

That's it though people find many things offensive. Teaching about same sex relationships in schools, eating meat, women wearing veils, women showing skin etc... that is why we have laws to determine which is and which isn't. In the case of spurs fans refering to themselves as yids, it isn't.

 

[Darrenh61]

And that is fine too. For me the bottom line is that many jews, spurs fans and non spurs fans find it offensive. You cannot just ignore that fact

Loads of people are offended by loads of things as society is proving every single day we move forward in modern day society. People are offended by swearing, people are offended by the y word being sung, people are offended by use of the phrase pikey army, rent boys etc etc.
You cannot create an environment where nobody in a crowd of 60,000 will not be offended somehow by something sung?
I would agree with you if a significant majority of fans said we are offended but that is simply not the case.
As for that last article you published, what an absolute joke. The irony that he cannot see how wonderful it is that non Jewish people want to associate themselves with the term Yid as they do not identify a racist negative overture but a blessed shared identity. This constant drivel that non Jewish people cannot claim singing yid is not racist is completely the wrong end of the stick in understanding the root cause of racist chanting and behaviour - it is an individual or group victimising another individual or group because of their race or religion being different to their own. Well non Jewish tottenham fans DO NOT feel like that at all and want to associate themselves with the very thing another group of supporters/people choose to denigrate.
I felt the survey was a disgrace as it was biased in its construction and I commented on that in my response.

 

[yankspurs]

You do realise that everyone in this thread understands those arguments just disagrees with them? The guy writing that article is more ignorant than anyone in this thread of how and why we call ourselves yids. We never normalised calling our jewish fans yids. That was other supporters, we just refused for them to be isolated and abused. So we all identified with the name as a fight against racism.

Why is it offensive? What is the actual meaning of the word? What other words should be policed incase they cause offence? As cameron said there has to be mens rea otherwise anything can be deemed offensive to somebody.

Yid is short for yiddish. Yiddish is a language spoken by some european jews.

 

[hodsgod]

What i don’t understand is Baddiel getting on his high horse about the word yid, and his current show he is developing which specifically takes the piss out of people on Twitter. He doesn’t seem to care about offending others! Seems like he wants his gefilte fish and eat it!

 

[Lilbaz]

Yid is short for yiddish. Yiddish is a language spoken by some european jews.

It has other meanings. Some complimantary some derogatory.