"They don't have any brains, do they?"

[Azrael]

I don't dispute that at all, and for the record, I'm not part of the 'Harry Out' brigade...however it's clear he doesn't regard the fans all that highly, and whilst it's obviously within his right to think whatever he wants, he should try to be a little more respectful to the fans.

His recent quotes were actually a deluded attempt at being positive about the fans. Saying that 99% have enjoyed the football is incredibly positive andf optimistic, however the reason so many are pissed off with that statement is because it is obviously not true, and represents harry's complete lack of respect for the fans...even when painting them in a positive light.

He may as well have said "oh don't worry about the fans...they're just grateful for anything they can get that doesn't include relegation" which is very disappointing.

People talking about sacking him are way off the mark, as far as I'm concerned. He did brilliantly when he first came in..even better in the next season, and this season we've finished at least 6th and got to the quarter finals of the Champions League, whilst looking pretty below par in several of our games, and generally having the ability to raise expectations to such levels that the above achievement is considered a huge let-down. That's pretty good going.

However, we've ended the season poorly, and could easily have finished in the top 3 if we had improved on our strikers, or even finished our chances with our current strikers. If we carry this form into the next season, we'll be out of the running before October.

It doesn't help that Harry likes to make it clear he's up for the England job at every given opportunity either. Considering the main reason to keep him right now is to have faith in consistent management, this uncertainty over his future with us, coupled with our underperforming in the league against teams we should be beating, and throwing in the above blinkered views of the views of the supporters..it doesn't look great.

This. Still don't want Harry out, but its really as if he doesn't care a shit about Spurs fans and is putting himself forward as the best thing since English sliced bread.

 

[mpickard2087]

I don't dispute that at all, and for the record, I'm not part of the 'Harry Out' brigade...however it's clear he doesn't regard the fans all that highly, and whilst it's obviously within his right to think whatever he wants, he should try to be a little more respectful to the fans.

His recent quotes were actually a deluded attempt at being positive about the fans. Saying that 99% have enjoyed the football is incredibly positive andf optimistic, however the reason so many are pissed off with that statement is because it is obviously not true, and represents harry's complete lack of respect for the fans...even when painting them in a positive light.

He may as well have said "oh don't worry about the fans...they're just grateful for anything they can get that doesn't include relegation" which is very disappointing.

People talking about sacking him are way off the mark, as far as I'm concerned. He did brilliantly when he first came in..even better in the next season, and this season we've finished at least 6th and got to the quarter finals of the Champions League, whilst looking pretty below par in several of our games, and generally having the ability to raise expectations to such levels that the above achievement is considered a huge let-down. That's pretty good going.

However, we've ended the season poorly, and could easily have finished in the top 3 if we had improved on our strikers, or even finished our chances with our current strikers. If we carry this form into the next season, we'll be out of the running before October.

It doesn't help that Harry likes to make it clear he's up for the England job at every given opportunity either. Considering the main reason to keep him right now is to have faith in consistent management, this uncertainty over his future with us, coupled with our underperforming in the league against teams we should be beating, and throwing in the above blinkered views of the views of the supporters..it doesn't look great.

Good post :clap:

 

[alpha]

I don't dispute that at all, and for the record, I'm not part of the 'Harry Out' brigade...however it's clear he doesn't regard the fans all that highly, and whilst it's obviously within his right to think whatever he wants, he should try to be a little more respectful to the fans.

His recent quotes were actually a deluded attempt at being positive about the fans. Saying that 99% have enjoyed the football is incredibly positive andf optimistic, however the reason so many are pissed off with that statement is because it is obviously not true, and represents harry's complete lack of respect for the fans...even when painting them in a positive light.

He may as well have said "oh don't worry about the fans...they're just grateful for anything they can get that doesn't include relegation" which is very disappointing.

People talking about sacking him are way off the mark, as far as I'm concerned. He did brilliantly when he first came in..even better in the next season, and this season we've finished at least 6th and got to the quarter finals of the Champions League, whilst looking pretty below par in several of our games, and generally having the ability to raise expectations to such levels that the above achievement is considered a huge let-down. That's pretty good going.

However, we've ended the season poorly, and could easily have finished in the top 3 if we had improved on our strikers, or even finished our chances with our current strikers. If we carry this form into the next season, we'll be out of the running before October.

It doesn't help that Harry likes to make it clear he's up for the England job at every given opportunity either. Considering the main reason to keep him right now is to have faith in consistent management, this uncertainty over his future with us, coupled with our underperforming in the league against teams we should be beating, and throwing in the above blinkered views of the views of the supporters..it doesn't look great.

Basically THIS, summarises a more considered, logical argument!

 

[sloth]

I can just imagine Harry's words if we only make 7th or 8th next year...

"Those top 7 or 8 sides are all good, it's not easy, Everton have strengthened - Moyes is a fantastic manager and they have great consistency down the years. Villa are strong, Sunderland too, they're a massive, massive club, get 40k every week. We've no divine right to the top 6. When I came here Tottenham were used to finishing in the bottom half every other season. I took over and tbh the chairman was thinking relegation not Europe. I think the fans have got to understand that this is an achievement, without more investment, more signings like Phil Neville - who's been fantastic since he came - Joe Cole who I know hasn't had the best of seasons, but you should see him in the training pitch, that quality doesn't just go away, same goes for Michael Owen.

Without more signings like those lads, then it's always going to be difficult.

What I'm pleased about though is the quality of football. I love watching us play and to be fair the fans do too. We got to forget about the Man City's, Arsenal's and Liverpool's of this world, they're away, we can't compete with that lot can we, we have to think about our immediate rivals, as long as we're finishing above West Ham the fans should be happy. And to be honest 99.9% of them know what I'm saying's true, it's just the idiot minority who are never satisfied.

Who'd have thought that in their life-times they'd get to see winners like Phil Neville, Joe Cole, Michael Owen and, if we can pull it off, David's said he'll come out of retirement and try and give us a season next year, who'd have imagine they'd ever see that lot pulling on their shirts down the Lane!

Triffic times, triffic!"

And as sure as eggs are eggs, there'd be people on here going, "He's right. It isn't easy. We have to invest. Who else could do more? We need consistency... etc etc"

 

[sunnydelight786]

How long before he does a Fayed and SAF by telling us "If you don't like then fuck off and go support Chelsea"...?

 

[ossie]

Okay, let's suppose you're right...

How about answering points two and three?

I think we got away from the original point that calling your customers/Employer in any other business "IDIOTS" would be classed as gross misconduct and you would have you contract terminated immediately.
That was the main point I was making. Lahn thank you for you debate on the other points.
:bang:

 

[adamthfc]

Have people listened to phone ins most people that ring in are idiots.

 

[StartingPrice]

Have people listened to phone ins most people that ring in are idiots.

Not for a very long time - when I did, they were great comedy value, though:hump:

 

[adamthfc]

Not for a very long time - when I did, they were great comedy value, though:hump:

Indeed my particular favourite are the ones that phone in ranting and raving but start it with I wasn't at the game today but

 

[riversmonkey]

Harry is defending himself against his critics by belittling their opinion. To cross threads, Harry's quotes about Suarez and Bale also deflect criticism, however wouldn't you do the same?

Either hypothetically if you were a Premier League Manager, or when your own position and ability to perform your job is being questioned, wouldn't you defend yourself and deflect criticism?

Harry's been in the game long enough, he knows full well we have underperformed, but the fact that he is making such statements shows that he's keen to stay in the job, and hopefully will turn things around next season where he will have learned from his mistakes. There are too many experienced heads in our squad and in our coaching staff not to learn from them.

 

[StartingPrice]

Indeed my particular favourite are the ones that phone in ranting and raving but start it with I wasn't at the game today but

I haven't seen the game, but the stats show...

 

[RichieS]

How long before he does a Fayed and SAF by telling us "If you don't like then fuck off and go support Chelsea"...?

I suspect if he did that he'd be a goner...

 

[michaelden]

I'm an idiot for coming round to thinking Harry might be good for us. Glad that went with the winter blues

 

[adamthfc]

I haven't seen the game, but the stats show...

Ah yes

 

[Wiener]

It doesn't help that Harry likes to make it clear he's up for the England job at every given opportunity either. Considering the main reason to keep him right now is to have faith in consistent management, this uncertainty over his future with us, coupled with our underperforming in the league against teams we should be beating, and throwing in the above blinkered views of the views of the supporters..it doesn't look great.

I wouldn't say that I want 'Arry out, but I don't think he provides the long-term stability needed to establish ourselves in the top 4 and truly challenge for the title. The chances of him staying for more than a couple years are quite slim. Therefore I hope Levy has already started the process of finding not just a long-term replacement (Moyes or Lambert I would like) for Redknapp, but also introducing an experienced Director of Football.

The above coupled with the fact that Redknapp has shown his failings as a manager in the second half of this season means that Levy should find a replacement sooner rather than later.

 

[There's always next year]

Have people listened to phone ins most people that ring in are idiots.

It's not so much the callers, but the brain dead presenters who come up with the idiotic comments. The likes of Micky Quinn, Ray Parlour, Darren Gough and Ronnie Irani are never going to win the Krypton Factor.

Their command of English is a complete embarrassment. It's unbelievable that you have a talk show host who can't articulate.

 

[adamthfc]

It's not so much the callers, but the brain dead presenters who come up with the idiotic comments. The likes of Micky Quinn, Ray Parlour, Darren Gough and Ronnie Irani are never going to win the Krypton Factor.

Their command of English is a complete embarrassment. It's unbelievable that you have a talk show host who can't articulate.

That also true.Alan green on 5live is quite frankly one of two biggest ****s ever

 

[steventhfc]

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/why-isnt-arry-honest-about-tottenham-hotspurs-failure/

 

[RichieS]

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/why-isnt-arry-honest-about-tottenham-hotspurs-failure/

The final paragraph of that article is what worries me. As he writes, we certainly can't afford to start next season like we're finishing this, and if we do Harry will definitely get the boot. But are we seeing anything at the moment that suggests we can turn it around?

 

[StartingPrice]

The final paragraph of that article is what worries me. As he writes, we certainly can't afford to start next season like we're finishing this, and if we do Harry will definitely get the boot. But are we seeing anything at the moment that suggests we can turn it around?

We looked pretty good on Wednesday night (even minus Bale) and just a couple of strikers short of being a very, very good team (and we all knew that, anyway). And that was Citeh away, who were trying to clinch the CL against their closest rivals, wasn't it:shrug: In fact, we were one very unfortunate own goal away from showing enough to continue the fight for a CL spot into today.