Tim Sherwood - Frank de Boer speculation is 'disappointing'

diamondlight

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Under AVB we had a Points per Game ratio of 1.6875, Goals per game of 0.9375 and lost 5 games out of 16. Under Tim those figures are 1.95, 1.85 and 5 out of 20, so whichever way you count it up relatively speaking we did have a poor start to the season. That's not to say that Tim and the team can't do better but don't sell him short in terms of achievement.
If those figures are accurate, then opposition to Tim Sherwood is nothing short of deranged. Over a whole season those figures would translate into 74 points - our highest ever in the premier league.

I don't give a damn about his results against the top teams. Those results will only improve as the squad beds in, and Tim recruits his own players. He is a Spurs man, proud to do the job, bold, spiky, ruthless and authoritative - in short, he has all the psychological hallmarks of a winner.

Why don't people like him? Is it prejudice about his accent? Or because he supported Arsenal as a boy?

Something irrational is influencing people's judgments about him. The style of the team? Irrational. The same people moaning about performances are also moaning about needing more defensive players. It doesn't make sense.

The same people banging on about 'experience' are forgetting that Sherwood has precisely that: experience of managing Spurs, and managing them successfully. It doesn't make sense.

 

Shadydan

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#83
Oh god, not people going on about PPG again, thought we already established that they were meaningless?
 

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If those figures are accurate, then opposition to Tim Sherwood is nothing short of deranged. Over a whole season those figures would translate into 74 points - our highest ever in the premier league.

I don't give a damn about his results against the top teams. Those results will only improve as the squad beds in, and Tim recruits his own players. He is a Spurs man, proud to do the job, bold, spiky, ruthless and authoritative - in short, he has all the psychological hallmarks of a winner.

Why don't people like him? Is it prejudice about his accent? Or because he supported Arsenal as a boy?

Something irrational is influencing people's judgments about him. The style of the team? Irrational. The same people moaning about performances are also moaning about needing more defensive players. It doesn't make sense.

The same people banging on about 'experience' are forgetting that Sherwood has precisely that: experience of managing Spurs, and managing them successfully. It doesn't make sense.
Talk sense and you'll get yerself killed. 'Sall I'm sayin'....
 

ERO

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All points to the style of DL our chairman, who never comes out and says anything apart from a couple of grand statements twice a year. Brilliant business man that he is, he strikes me as the sort of guy who has many faces and you couldn't trust. A lot on here were celebrating the way we did the Fryers deal but that never sat well with me and I just thought it was classless and lacking in honour - a bit like the way the shambolic sacking of MJ and hiring of JR was handled. You would think he would have learned by now - leopards and spots i guess
Quite a digression, but the thing that didn't sit well with the Fryers deal was a tribunal setting the fee of a contractless 19 year old boy to £6 million. Aboslute ridiculous fee, which is supposed to be a compensation for training him - not a transfer fee as such, and in turn made the boy unable to do his profession in his home country.

That we bought him six months later after his manager had been sacked and he had lost his place in the squad, should not be considered classless in my opinon.
 

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PPG is indeed a meaningless statistic in this case as its being taken from different samples of games played under very different conditions. Given the narrow difference between AVB's and TS's, there's just no way to know if AVB would have done better or worse during Sherwood's sample and vice versa.
 

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PPG is indeed a meaningless statistic in this case as its being taken from different samples of games played under very different conditions. Given the narrow difference between AVB's and TS's, there's just no way to know if AVB would have done better or worse during Sherwood's sample and vice versa.
100% correct.
 

slartibartfast

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PPG is indeed a meaningless statistic in this case as its being taken from different samples of games played under very different conditions. Given the narrow difference between AVB's and TS's, there's just no way to know if AVB would have done better or worse during Sherwood's sample and vice versa.
Granted you cant tell what may happen but you have to make an educated guess on what may happen using all the variables available and AVB appeared to be taking us backwards at high speed and pissing of the fans (those actually paying to watch it) in the process.
Yes its possible he may have turned it around and we won the title but not very likely.
I think its a safe bet that Fdb would do a better job than TS and attract better players. On the other hand he might get us relegated lol.
 

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The PPG in themselves do not give the whole picture. Granted AVB only had the first 16 league games of the season and he had 7 new players to try and bed into his system, whilst TS has had the last 20 when those 7 players have had more time with the squad to settle in. It does indicate, however, that TS is not the failure that some on here seem to be implying.
 

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Under AVB we had a Points per Game ratio of 1.6875, Goals per game of 0.9375 and lost 5 games out of 16. Under Tim those figures are 1.95, 1.85 and 5 out of 20, so whichever way you count it up relatively speaking we did have a poor start to the season. That's not to say that Tim and the team can't do better but don't sell him short in terms of achievement. The main problem this season has been our performance against the top 5 and that has applied under both managers. I believe the problem has been with the defence which desperately needs re-inforcing in the summer, more so than midfield and strikers.
Cups anyone?
 

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Bloody well are better to watch now.

If you think the football under AVB, the odd goal here or there, the backwards passing, the 2 defensive midfielders was anything other than absolutely woeful and the stuff of relegation fodder then you're delusional.
Luck runs out, take away the penalties and work out how many points we'd have had and we'd have been bottom half.

We were pathetic. We'd scored less goals than games.

People think pretty football is about passing, but if there's no end product the passing ends up tedious and infuriating.

I was at that hull game when the silly teat the blamed the fans for lacking atmosphere.
We were bloody awful. Yet another win from a penalty. The man was negative and a complete twat for blaming the fans for his own short comings.
At no point have I said I enjoyed watching us play under AVB. We we're utter gash with no signs of progression. And it's the same now - just with some goals thrown in, some of Which have been just as fortuitous as the penalties you talk about. Tim is doing better
Than AVB in that respect but that is no yardstick on which to decide whether to give him longer in the post.
You may enjoy watching us defend like a bunch of 3 year olds but I don't and Timms has been just as lucky in that respect as AVB was with his penalties. And as mentioned before, I see no evidence at all after half a season of any training being put into practice on the pitch.
 

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You hope and pray for the 'right manager' (whoever that is) to do what Simeone has done at Athletico Madrid. Take a club that hasn't got bucket loads of money to spend but a good squad, and get the very best out of them.

Iv'e been doing that since Jimmy Greaves left WHL. I does not work. Honest.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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A win ration does not mean so much after only 17 games as you have to factor in the surge in points of many new managers. He has a dreadful record in cup games and they are not factored in the reports. I would say if we gave him another season then we would probably get a bit less points in the season... which is not what we should be getting with the squad that we have.

I think his second game in charge was against West Ham in the CC and the FA Cup game that we lost 1-0 was to the team that we always go to and win.

I would say that if you judged any manager in the way you have summed up Sherwood, God almighty would be out on his arse after half a season.

Jeezzzzzzzzzz.
 
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