Top 4 or Silverware ?

[freeeki]

Klopp's Liverpool have won exactly the same as us.

...Which is why I worded my post very carefully, and stated that they have won silverware with some of their current squad.

Which is correct.

(They've also reached a Champions League final whereas we've not managed a Carabao Cup final)

 

[Chimbo!]

Top 4. I disliked how journalists in questions to Poch and in follow up articles made out how Spurs fans disagree with the manager. How do they know? Did they conduct a poll? No, they saw a few Twitter accounts imploding. Probably, they didn’t try to speak to the Twitter account holder to see if their views were genuine. Just jumped to an assumption that fed their narrative.

I think the quality of sports journalism - along with it’s stupid transfer stories that don’t cite what sources and how many - is largely dreadful. There’s no accountability.

 

[danielneeds]

...Which is why I worded my post very carefully, and stated that they have won silverware with some of their current squad.

Which is correct.

(They've also reached a Champions League final whereas we've not managed a Carabao Cup final)

Henderson was the only member of their current squad to play in the 2012 league cup final.

It's a stretch if you really want to say they've won something with their current squad.

 

[freeeki]

Henderson was the only member of their current squad to play in the 2012 league cup final.

It's a stretch if you really want to say they've won something with their current squad.

I said they have won silverware with some of their current squad, which you've just agreed with.

They're also making a serious shot at winning the league this season, as well as reaching the CL final in 2018 and challenging heavily for the league in 2014.

So other than being drearily pedantic and disagreeing with your own point, I'm not really sure what you're saying here?

 

[danielneeds]

I said they have won silverware with some of their current squad, which you've just agreed with.

They're also making a serious shot at winning the league this season, as well as reaching the CL final in 2018 and challenging heavily for the league in 2014.

So other than being drearily pedantic and disagreeing with your own point, I'm not really sure what you're saying here?

It's not really pedantic, it's just saying that success levels of this Poch era, and their Klopp era are both unfilled at the moment. Yeah, they'll probably win the league, and that will change.

 

[freeeki]

It's not really pedantic, it's just saying that success levels of this Poch era, and their Klopp era are both unfilled at the moment. Yeah, they'll probably win the league, and that will change.

Klopp has already been far more successful than Poch in their current roles in terms of challenging for trophies, there can be no doubt about that.

 

[danielneeds]

Klopp has already been far more successful than Poch in their current roles in terms of challenging for trophies, there can be no doubt about that.

Before this season, and their massive summer investment, I'd say that is very much debatable.

 

[McFlash]

I want both, who wouldn't?
But for the time being, CL will do.
Only so many teams can win silverware each season, so I can wait for Poch to believe we're ready for that

 

[freeeki]

Before this season, and their massive summer investment, I'd say that is very much debatable.

They reached the Champions League final. Debate away.

 

[McFlash]

They reached the Champions League final. Debate away.

You don't get anything in the cupboard for losing a final. I've not heard many scousers bragging about the time they lost in the Champions League final.

 

[Shadydan]

They reached the Champions League final. Debate away.

lol If you want to measure a team losing a final as a success then be my guest.

 

[CheeseGromit]

I think a lot of people too easily forget that the club was pretty much a shambles before Poch came in. Sure we have had good players but we certainly did not have an identify or ethos that run through the club We certainly were considered as a team that might do well or easily screw it all up We didnt get the Spursy tag for nothing
Reaching then establishing (regularly achieving top 6 status) ourselves in the elite PL group has been a battle It is currently being won and I hope it continues.
Top 4 is the necessary achievement and cup wins the icing so Top 4 is the more important When the squad progresses we need to win cups as well and ultimately need to win the league to attain the tag of a big club

 

[freeeki]

You don't get anything in the cupboard for losing a final. I've not heard many scousers bragging about the time they lost in the Champions League final.

I would say getting there in the first place would suggest they've come closer to success and demonstrates a greater desire to win things than we've managed in the past decade.

 

[Styopa]

Klopp has already been far more successful than Poch in their current roles in terms of challenging for trophies, there can be no doubt about that.

Before this season, and their massive summer investment, I'd say that is very much debatable.

I'm not sure it's that debatable. Klopp has taken them to 3 finals plus a semi before this season. Pochettino has taken us to 3 semis plus a final including this season. Yeah you don't "win" anything by losing a final but nor do you win anything by getting into a semi-final. You're closer to winning a trophy by getting to a final than a semi therefore in terms of "challenging" for trophies Klopp has been more successful than Pochettino.

 

[brendanb50]

For now, it's staying in the mix for top 4 IMO.

I don't like it, but that CL revenue is key and maintains our profile short term.

Once we're in the new stadium and finances are steady, then we can shift focus to fighting on all fronts.

 

[Shadydan]

I would say getting there in the first place would suggest they've come closer to success and demonstrates a greater desire to win things than we've managed in the past decade.

Of course you can totally ignore the context that Liverpool had an easier run to the final than anyone else, you call it 'greater desire' I call it luck which is what you need in cup competition sometimes to go far which is why you should never hold them in high importance especially if you're talking about 'success', it's nonsense, sorry.

 

[freeeki]

Of course you can totally ignore the context that Liverpool had an easier run to the final than anyone else, you call it 'greater desire' I call it luck which is what you need in cup competition sometimes to go far which is why you should never hold them in high importance especially if you're talking about 'success', it's nonsense, sorry.

They're also 4 points clear in the Premier League, at the end of January, with a game in hand, having lost 1 game out of 23.

You call that luck too, if it makes you feel better.

My original damn point is that, out of the clubs challenging for the top 4, we're the ones who've consistently been furthest away from winning things, having not won anything now for over ten years.

If you want to throw in some misguided gash about Klopp's Liverpool record then that's your problem. Can't wait to hear what your go-to get out will be when they're champions in 4 months' time.

 

[McFlash]

I would say getting there in the first place would suggest they've come closer to success and demonstrates a greater desire to win things than we've managed in the past decade.

Yeah, it can be viewed several ways and there's not really a right, or a wrong view.
It's impossible to measure desire.

 

[easley91]

...Which is why I worded my post very carefully, and stated that they have won silverware with some of their current squad.

Which is correct.

(They've also reached a Champions League final whereas we've not managed a Carabao Cup final)

First season under Poch we did. In fact we have reached the semi finals at least in one cup competition in each season under Poch.

 

[freeeki]

First season under Poch we did. In fact we have reached the semi finals at least in one cup competition in each season under Poch.

You're right, in Poch's first season we did.

We've just not managed it since, nearly half a decade later.