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Total squad overhaul - questions to be resolved

JayB

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Taking into account recent ITK it seems likely that we have a lot of business yet to be conducted before the closing of the transfer window. We've heard that there are 6-8 players yet to be sold, that Andre wants a trim squad full of utility players who cover multiple positions (sorry I couldn't quite find this one while skimming through the RO, anyone remember where this came from?), and that JJ is confident that we will be very strong next season despite the expected departure of Bale. All of this points toward a massive overhaul to be completed over the next month, and poses a a huge number of questions to be hashed out.

Who can we possibly get to replace Bale?
For me there are really only two satisfactory options - Erik Lamela and Julian Draxler. Both would cost upwards of 35m+ but each have the potential to become world's next most sought-after player, possibly commanding a fee someday in the region of what is now being touted for Bale and making them a worthwhile risk. Between the two Draxler is more likely IMO due to the fact that he has a release clause valued at 39m, but there are major questions over whether either would be willing to join us even if Levy were willing to spend that much on a replacement. Others that have been suggested include Yarmolenko, Dzagoev, Hulk, and (shudder) Suarez.

Who will be leaving?
In addition to Caulker, Dempsey, and Bale the obvious candidates include Parker, Adebayor, BAE, Huddlestone, Naughton, and Livermore. Some have suggested that AVB does not rate Townsend but thus far in the preseason he has been by far the more threatening of our backup RW's - is it possible that we might look to sell Lennon before he loses a yard of pace and his value plummets? Will we be willing to let go of Huddlestone and Livermore given our current injury crisis at CB? If we get Coentrao as a part of the Bale deal, will we look to sell on Rose who would command a bigger fee than BAE? Will Defoe want a guarantee of consistent playing time in a WC year? Questions abound.

Who will we bring in?
There are many questions here so let's take them each one by one.

Who will we bring in at CB?
Given that two weeks from the beginning of the season we currently have exactly zero fit senior CBs surely this has to be at the very top of our list of priorities. The hangup with the Chiriches deal seems to have been the payment structure that we offered - will the cash from the Bale deal allow us to overcome that hurdle? If not, then who? And considering that Kaboul seems dangerously close to Ledley territory, do we need two?

Who can we get from Madrid in part exchange for Bale?
It seems that Madrid is going to have to send one or two players our way in order to meet Levy's valuation of Bale, but the question remains of who that might be. Coentrao would immediately solve one of the only remaining weaknesses from last season and has been included in seemingly every media report of what an eventual Bale deal might look like. Might we also be able to bring in one of Di Maria, Morata, or Jese?

Will we ever fill the Modric-shaped hole in our midfield?
Last season we struggled mightily to break down the teams that parked the bus at WHL and dropped a ton of points as a result. In my opinion this was largely down to the fact that we lacked a player who could keep play ticking over and provide incisive passing from deep that led to genuine chances on goal. Paulinho may be class but he's more of a box to box player than a playmaker. We've been strongly linked with the likes of McCarthy and Pjanic so it seems like the club has identified this as an area to be shored up.

Who else will we bring in?
Even if we manage to complete all of the aforementioned deals we might still be in need of further reinforcements at wing forward. We've been linked with Ljajic, who seems intent on a deal to Milan, and Bernard who seemingly is not keen on a deal to Shakhtar, who are reportedly the only club to meet Miniero's valuation, or else that deal would have surely been completed by now. Recent ITK suggests that we are still in for him in a big way.

So, with all that being said, here's what I think our major overhaul might look like over the next month:

Outgoings:
Caulker - 9
Dempsey - 6
Bale - 80
Lennon - 15
Parker - 2
Huddlestone - 5
BAE - 5
Naughton - 4
Adebayor - 8
Livermore - Loan
Total: 134

Incomings:
Paulinho - 17
Chadli - 7
Soldado - 26
Chiriches - 7
Draxler - 39
Bernard - 20
Pjanic - 17
Coentrao - Exchange
Morata - Exchange
Total: 133

Needless to say this is a best-case-scenario of how our business might play out, I'm interested to hear how others think the team might look come September 2nd.
 

SugarRay

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I can't see us bringing in Draxler and Bernard. Maybe one of them but not both. I think Lamela is more realistic and a better option too, certainly better than Bernard.

I'm expecting Holtby to have a good season and is capable of producing a little Modric magic. Perhaps AVB is aiming to give him the chance to fill that void?

Coentrao and Morata plus a big fat wedge of dough would be good business for Bale. I hope we really push to get a player included in any deal for Bale that Real don't want to let go.
 

wiggo24

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Very optimistic but I agree those are the areas we need to strengthen and I also agree with the targets. Would love draxler especially.

I don't think we'll get that many players though, especially pjanic, although I think lamela could be a good'un

I agree with your departures, and in terms of incomings, I think we'll have this:


Paulinho - 17
Chadli - 7
Soldado - 26
Chiriches - 7
Lamela - 35
Coentrao - Exchange
Morata - Exchange

I wish I believed we'd get Bernard too but I just don't see that one happening
 

SugarRay

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If we get Lamela, I think it won't be too long before Bale is a distant memory and Bernard won't even enter our thoughts chaps.

I would be surprised if Lennon goes. AVB likes him.
 

JayB

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Anyone who thinks we would get £15m for Lennon should lay off the weed and football manager.

Not.Going.To.Happen
He's one of the best wingers in the league and English to boot, he'd definitely command a hefty fee in this massively inflated market even if it isn't quite the figure that I speculated on in the OP. It's not as though the 4-5m difference would have a decisive impact on our business anyway.

Regardless, I'm much more interested to hear people's perspectives on what is shaping up to be a hugely tumultuous final month of the transfer window than the fine-grain parsing of my extremely optimistic list of incomings and outgoings.
 

hellava_tough

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Anyone who thinks we would get £15m for Lennon should lay off the weed and football manager.

Not.Going.To.Happen


Not going to neg rep you mate, but I have to disagree

Lennon, although not the greatest player in the world, is a tried and tested, experienced EPL player, who's played at the top of the EPL for many years now

If you look at some of the fees that have been paid for relatively untested players over the last 2 to 3 seasons, then 15m for Lennon isn't really that far-fetched
 

HairyHotspur

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Not going to neg rep you mate, but I have to disagree

Lennon, although not the greatest player in the world, is a tried and tested, experienced EPL player, who's played at the top of the EPL for many years now

If you look at some of the fees that have been paid for relatively untested players over the last 2 to 3 seasons, then 15m for Lennon isn't really that far-fetched
So who's going to pay £15m for him then?Liverpool?
 

Rout-Ledge

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In the current market it would be possible to get £15m for Lennon, in the right circumstances. Mid-table teams such as Sunderland and West Ham have often shown the willingness to pay over the odds for good-but-not-great players if they're willing to join as a result of having a bit of cash to spend whilst being unable to attract great players. I think £12m is more likely and realistic though.
 

JayB

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In the current market it would be possible to get £15m for Lennon, in the right circumstances. Mid-table teams such as Sunderland and West Ham have often shown the willingness to pay over the odds for good-but-not-great players if they're willing to join as a result of having a bit of cash to spend whilst being unable to attract great players. I think £12m is more likely and realistic though.
Yes, exactly. Virtually every club in the league has 40m burning a hole in their pockets from the new TV money and there are any number of clubs who would do well to bring in a player who would consistently stretch defenses and ensure the solidity of their right flanks. In that environment it is not completely outside of the realm of possibility that we might get a large offer for Lennon.

But, again, I started this thread so that we could have one place to discuss the massive upheaval that looks likely to take place in the squad and not so that we could quibble over small differences in valuations of players who may or may not even be on the transfer list.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Slightly off-topic but....

I don't think we've been linked with buying any UK players. Anyone concerned that our team will be full of foreigners?

Or does this not bother people too much anymore? I remember the days of Arsenal either fielding no British players or only 1. We seemed to make a big deal out of it, we could be left with Walker being our only British player in the starting line up.

We don't know if all those guys on the OP outgoing list will leave but just say they do, that's 7 British players leaving and none coming in.

Do people still care about this as long as we satisfy the "homegrown" rules in the squad?
 

JayB

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JayB,

So is Bale definitely leaving?
Of course not. Experience shows that if Madrid fail to meet Levy's valuation then he'll be going nowhere. That being said, one of the top top ITKs - right up there with POTL and Archibald - is currently claiming to have knowledge of proceedings taking place that the other ITKs would have no knowledge of and seems quite certain that the deal will be concluded. Obviously that is no guarantee that it will but if it does happen, it will necessitate a number of top-class additions in order to continue to challenge for top four and above. I think it's worthwhile to discuss that eventuality.
 

OmarsComing

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Of course not. Experience shows that if Madrid fail to meet Levy's valuation then he'll be going nowhere. That being said, one of the top top ITKs - right up there with POTL and Archibald - is currently claiming to have knowledge of proceedings taking place that the other ITKs would have no knowledge of and seems quite certain that the deal will be concluded. Obviously that is no guarantee that it will but if it does happen, it will necessitate a number of top-class additions in order to continue to challenge for top four and above. I think it's worthwhile to discuss that eventuality.

I have never heard of Draxler and barely heard of Lamela, why would they comand £35m transfer fees?
 

OmarsComing

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Slightly off-topic but....

I don't think we've been linked with buying any UK players. Anyone concerned that our team will be full of foreigners?

Or does this not bother people too much anymore? I remember the days of Arsenal either fielding no British players or only 1. We seemed to make a big deal out of it, we could be left with Walker being our only British player in the starting line up.

We don't know if all those guys on the OP outgoing list will leave but just say they do, that's 7 British players leaving and none coming in.

Do people still care about this as long as we satisfy the "homegrown" rules in the squad?

I really don't care where are players were born
 

JayB

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I have never heard of Draxler and barely heard of Lamela, why would they comand £35m transfer fees?

Because they are two of the hottest young prospects in world football, certainly two of the top prospects that we would have any realistic chance of convincing to join us, and the oil rich clubs like Monaco and PSG would have no qualms with paying obscene fees to bring them in. Lamela scored 15 goals in Seria A as a 20/21 year old last season. Draxler, at the age of 19, scored 10 goals in the Bundesliga (plus 4 in other club competitions) and possesses overall athleticism to rival that of Bale. Needless to say neither would be able to step right in and produce at the same rate that one would expect of Bale but both have the potential to be truly world class at the RWF position.
 

Kiedis

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No fan of the idea of a total squad overhaul. Wouldn't want to shift other players than Livermore, Adebayor, BAE and Thudd.

Cannot see the sense in dreaming of a starting eleven containing 5-6 new players. This is a squad game, and group dynamics and mentality are important. The Spurs team of 2012/2013 is the most resilient Spurs team in my time as a supporter and I can't see the need for a total squad renovation.
 
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