Tottenham hand transfers control to manager Mauricio Pochettino...

[WiganSpur]

In what other business is manager the least secure position?

We're not a business we're a football club.

One top target a season is not unreasonable.

 

[belsunz]

Wonder if we've got our own version of Southampton's Black Box yet?

Apologied for bumping this thread, but figured out what the Black Box really is. My mate is involved in football business and visited Southampton last season. I asked him about Black Box and he said they showed it to him. It is a large office room with lots of tv-screens and desks. Very office-like. Around 25-30 analysts are working there around the clock, analizing up to 500 games a week. They explained their setup, which involved lots of scouts in the field who attend 5-6 games a weekend and forward their analysis to the Black Box Room, where the analyst watch targets again.

The size/scale was very impressive and unprecedented in his opinion. They literally know everything about any player. All with the aim to identify a target before anyone else does.

Don't know if we have something similar in place by now?

 

[Lilbaz]

Apologied for bumping this thread, but figured out what the Black Box really is. My mate is involved in football business and visited Southampton last season. I asked him about Black Box and he said they showed it to him. It is a large office room with lots of tv-screens and desks. Very office-like. Around 25-30 analysts are working there around the clock, analizing up to 500 games a week. They explained their setup, which involved lots of scouts in the field who attend 5-6 games a weekend and forward their analysis to the Black Box Room, where the analyst watch targets again.

The size/scale was very impressive and unprecedented in his opinion. They literally know everything about any player. All with the aim to identify a target before anyone else does.

Don't know if we have something similar in place by now?

Tbh I think a lot of clubs will by now. As soon as one club has success in something the others will jump on the bandwagon. It's just whether the coach will utilise it. Luckily we have Poch.

 

[belsunz]

Tbh I think a lot of clubs will by now. As soon as one club has success in something the others will jump on the bandwagon. It's just whether the coach will utilise it. Luckily we have Poch.

It's the number of people involved that is 'surprising' for me. The data they gathered were extremely detailed as well. Percentage number of passes forward, average distance of passes, detailed use of both feet. To know that of basically any player in the world is an impressive feat.

But you're right. All down to the coach transforming the data to performances.

 

[Lilbaz]

It's the number of people involved that is 'surprising' for me. The data they gathered were extremely detailed as well. Percentage number of passes forward, average distance of passes, detailed use of both feet. To know that of basically any player in the world is an impressive feat.

But you're right. All down to the coach transforming the data to performances.

Started with the money ball in America, then the opta over here. Everyone is looking for an edge. Players are multi £million investments these days. But yes the scale is surprising and I doubt any clubs smaller than ourselves would have anything near that scale. Even a few bigger clubs.

 

[Blake Griffin]

It's the number of people involved that is 'surprising' for me. The data they gathered were extremely detailed as well. Percentage number of passes forward, average distance of passes, detailed use of both feet. To know that of basically any player in the world is an impressive feat.

But you're right. All down to the coach transforming the data to performances.

are you sure they weren't just looking on squawka?

 

[Hoops]

I think a lot of clubs have been guilty of spending big money on players who have then turned out to be a disappointment.

Shevchenko £30m + @ Chelsea
Di Maria £50m+ @ Man U
Robinho £30m+@ Man City
Ozil £40m+ @ Arsenal
Carroll £35m @ Liverpool.

It's not just a Spurs thing...

Bit Harsh on Ozil.

As for the others, they were clearly bad business before a deal had been struck. Nobody could convince me Di Maria is worth 60m. Carroll 35m? Madness. Robinho too.

 

[Hoops]

In what other business would you give the employee with the least secure job control of major spending decisions?

Poch is the MD so to speak. What MD wouldn't have control over a companies spending?

 

[kmk]

Bit Harsh on Ozil.

As for the others, they were clearly bad business before a deal had been struck. Nobody could convince me Di Maria is worth 60m. Carroll 35m? Madness. Robinho too.

How is it hard on that bug eyed freak?

Has even won a Barclay's player of the month award yet?

 

[Hoops]

How is it hard on that bug eyed freak?

Has even won a Barclay's player of the month award yet?

2 FA Cups and 3rd place? Take your spurs glasses off for a second.

 

[DaleMurphy]

How much of that is due to Ozil? would be disappointed in the majority of his performances if I were an Arse supporter but that's moot as I would kill myself long before I let that happen

 

[beats1]

2 FA Cups and 3rd place? Take your spurs glasses off for a second.

He hasn't been first choice for the majority of the season, which for £42m is poor. He is playing because of Walcott's lack of fitness and Welbecks injury.

 

[DaleMurphy]

crazy how much better your stats look when feeding the Benzemas and CR7s of the world w 80% possession

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Great news if true but i remain skeptical you cant trust the club not to intefere.

Interfere ? With spending their money ?

 

[shelfboy68]

Interfere ? With spending their money ?

I dont know what your going on about fella i was just commenting that it was good news.
But remain cautious as usual with these things we start off looking at what the Coach wants and end up with Plan z, so please forgive My caution here with all things spurs.

 

[guate]

You can have all the stats and info you want, a manager and staff able to understand and interpret them in order to come up with the type of player necessary for the system to work but if the man at the top is not in agreement……..budget, doesn't like their profile, too expensive, bad day at the office, whatever……then it won't happen, come hell or high water.
IMHO our bean counter has lost his credibility in this key area and unless he's had a serious change of mind, will always have the final word on transfers as Spurs is all about Daniel Levy and when a manager, a la Redknapp, comes close to becoming a perceived threat as the main character, then he's out A.S.A.P.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

The funds belong to the club. Entrusting a fairly new employee any employee solely with a serious amount of money would be foolish.

 

[Always Offside]

In what other business would you give the employee with the least secure job control of major spending decisions?

Government ?

 

[yiddopaul]

We're not a business we're a football club.

One top target a season is not unreasonable.

We're both. They go hand in hand. If you neglect the business, we don't have a club. Or at least we do, but in the division below.