Tottenham Physios/Medical Staff/ Athletic Improvements

[EQP]

It strikes me as good practice to use external specialists as part of the overall strategy. A bit like when I go to Birmingham QE for my brain scan. Doesn't mean the local hospital is shit... Just a narrow point to slot in with an interesting thread.

Great post. Some facilities specialize in certain treatments, so it would be wise to seek treatment from them. Even at the club there are defined roles between, team physios, masseurs, orthopedic doctor each specializing in one facet of fitness but working together to get the players fit.

 

[tototoner]

Arsenal players always take longer to come back from injuries than ours

Look at Wilshere recently and Ramsey now

 

[Gbspurs]

It strikes me as good practice to use external specialists as part of the overall strategy. A bit like when I go to Birmingham QE for my brain scan. Doesn't mean the local hospital is shit... Just a narrow point to slot in with an interesting thread.

Did they manage to find one?

 

[Locotoro]

Can anyone elaborate on the itk that has led to this discussion?

 

[Ironskullll]

Did they manage to find one?

They said "wow, this brain's brilliant - totally unused"...

 

[weststandvoice]

Yes, i'm a Sport Medicine major in the USA. I've been fortunate enough to intern at some MLS teams here in the states as well as visit some clubs overseas.

Nice one. Enjoying your comments.

 

[Legend10]

I actually spent some time with Steve Tashjian, current Senior Fitness Coach at Everton FC / Sport Scientist/ Functional Rehabilitation Specialist just watching how he ran things and asking him questions about what steps they took to ensure player fitness and injury prevention. The Sports Medicine world is really quite small, alot of times physio/sports medicine specialists visit other clubs to see what they are doing in regard to perfomance enhancment/injury prevention. Infact more of than not Medical Staff/ Physios/ Sports Medicine experts move around clubs for example

Zafar Iqbal - The current LFC team doctor used to work at Spurs

Sam Erith - The current head of sports science at Man City also used to work at Spurs

Yes, i was agreeing with what you have been saying in this thread.

 

[Booney]

Can anyone elaborate on the itk that has led to this discussion?

Taken from the daily ITK discussion thread...

a little snppet from lobo on ftl re our medical staff:
Our medical staff
Posted: Today at 9:43pm
Supposedly the players think they are a joke. All have there own doctors, physios etc
Levy taking matters into own hands and barca medical staff coming over this week supposedly for two days to do an assessment of the quality of our outfit
I know nothing else...nor do i know why its barca coming over

 

[Booney]

Tbf Eriksen and Paulinho looked like and it was reported that they would be out for a long time, but they both came back quicker than anticipated. Surprised me, so we either got lucky or can pat the physios on the back there

What about Rose? Kaboul? Sandro? Lamela?

Appreciate that it's a complex area and that every injury is different. Afraid that I'm just not buying the suggestion that we are somehow blessed with first class medical staff. Nobody can be faulted for cruciate ruptures or ankle crunching tackles but my own perception is that seemingly innocuous injuries seem to rule our players out forever. And this happens more often than can just be put down to bad luck.

 

[Style_Over_Substance]

What about Rose? Kaboul? Sandro? Lamela?

Appreciate that it's a complex area and that every injury is different. Afraid that I'm just not buying the suggestion that we are somehow blessed with first class medical staff. Nobody can be faulted for cruciate ruptures or ankle crunching tackles but my own perception is that seemingly innocuous injuries seem to rule our players out forever. And this happens more often than can just be put down to bad luck.

I think a lot of non-medical people really misunderstand what it is the medical staff can actually do for most injuries.

The speed at which most players return from injury is mainly dependent on their own intrinsic healing.

Diagnosing the problem, making sure a player is adequately prepared to return through rehab and conditioning etc is what our team do. Making a sprain or tear heal quicker isn't possible. The sports science guys are always trying out wacky things but these are largely not evidence based and are considered pseudoscience by conventional medicine eg horse placenta and blood spinning guff

 

[Style_Over_Substance]

Also Shabaaz Mughal our current team doctor is highly respected in sports medicine. The qualifications and training these guys have is essentially the same. I also know Andrew Dent from stoke city, they aren't doing anything radical to us!!

 

[Booney]

I think one of the things that frustrates fans is when the original assessment of an injury is so wildly inaccurate. The Rose one was a classic example. AVB telling us (presumably on the back of advice of the medical team) that he'd only be out short term and he ended up missing months of football. Somebody has misjudged the situation there and don't think it had anything to do with rushing him back.

 

[jambreck]

The problem is getting them back and the road there. Other clubs get their players back from similar injuries in a shorter time frame. Other clubs dont send every one of their players over seas to rehab and stregnthen.

This kind of statement falls into the same bracket as moans about the press always being anti Spurs or moans about Spurs being the only club that takes forever to tie up transfer deals.

In other words, it's bollocks.

It only seems true to you because you follow Spurs and really don't pay close attention to what happens at other clubs - what players they have injured and for how long; the critical nonsense that the press also writes about other clubs; the inordinate length of time that other clubs also take to tie up transfer deals.

Have another read of the excellent original post in this thread. It is written by someone who actually does know what he's talking about.

In other words, it isn't bollocks.

Simples.

 

[DJS]

WHERE THE FUCK IS SANDRO NNNNNNNNNNNNRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

 

[beats1]

If our own medical team are so great, how come our players seem to always go abroad to rehab from serious injuries?

TBF the dutch clubs we use have great facilities but that is for treatment that doesn't mean our doctors are great. If they put them on a poor rehab plan or take the wrong type of treatment for injuries that doesn't mean that the treatment used in the Netherlands is poor.

The evidence says that our medical team is shocking and need to sort themselves out

 

[DJS]

Very few if any people are highly enough qualified to comment on the medical staff, and even those that are don't know any details. Why not just let them get on with their job.

Cos they're doing shit at the moment?

 

[jambreck]

TBF the dutch clubs we use have great facilities but that is for treatment that doesn't mean our doctors are great. If they put them on a poor rehab plan or take the wrong type of treatment for injuries that doesn't mean that the treatment used in the Netherlands is poor.

The evidence says that our medical team is shocking and need to sort themselves out

What evidence?

 

[HotspurFC1950]

It strikes me as good practice to use external specialists as part of the overall strategy. A bit like when I go to Birmingham QE for my brain scan. Doesn't mean the local hospital is shit... Just a narrow point to slot in with an interesting thread.

Did they find it ?

 

[yankspurs]

This kind of statement falls into the same bracket as moans about the press always being anti Spurs or moans about Spurs being the only club that takes forever to tie up transfer deals.

In other words, it's bollocks.

It only seems true to you because you follow Spurs and really don't pay close attention to what happens at other clubs - what players they have injured and for how long; the critical nonsense that the press also writes about other clubs; the inordinate length of time that other clubs also take to tie up transfer deals.

Have another read of the excellent original post in this thread. It is written by someone who actually does know what he's talking about.

In other words, it isn't bollocks.

Simples.

Because just watching a doctor makes one an expert! Sorry, but if you are not a doctor yourself, you have no fucking clue what you are talking. He's speculating. I am speculating. I am on one side. He is on the other. I am of the belief that their is a clear issue with the medical staff. No offense to the OP, but we just have differing opinions.

His basis for saying that we have a great medical staff is the Muamba thing. But they did not exactly save Muamba's life like he is insinuating. They had a role in it. The one who deserves the most credit is the cardiologist Spurs supporter who was in the stands that day, came down and was with him the whole time who fought with the staff and ambulence to have him transported to his hospital which was better equipped to handle the issue instead of the closer one wich they were going to take Muamba to. Yes, I read up on the whole thing.

 

[ParkySpur]

Rushing players back is more widespread than you think. Top flight Physios can't do the job they really want, they have to do the job their management wants.

Yes, this is "ITK"!