Tottenham Physios/Medical Staff/ Athletic Improvements

[EQP]

he speaks a lot of sense, always interesting read what he says

his comments about Hodgson today are very damning

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/14/wales-raymond-verheijen-roy-hodgson-dinosaur

“Embarrassing to see dinosaur Hodgson questioning the fitness regime of the forward-thinking manager Brendan Rodgers. Roy Hodgson’s incompetence must be frustrating for educated managers like Brendan Rodgers who travelled the world.”

Verheijen, went into precise details as to why Sterling should be treated differently. “Firstly, 19-year old players do not have a fully matured body yet so for them the game demands are higher & will develop much more fatigue,” wrote the Dutchman, who still acts as consultant for several national football associations and clubs.
“Young players who develop more fatigue during the game need longer time to get rid of this fatigue otherwise they accumulate fatigue in body.
“Secondly, Sterling is not only a young but also an explosive player. They have many fast muscle fibres compared to less explosive players.
“Fast muscle fibres recover slower compared to slow muscle fibres because less blood & oxygen is running through these fast muscle fibres.
“If explosive players do not get extra recovery time & are treated in the same way as other players, they accumulate fatigue in their body.
“Accumulation of fatigue due to insufficient recovery makes the nervous system slower. The signal from brain to muscles travel slower
“If the signal from the brain arrives later in the muscles this means the brain has less control over body during explosive football actions.
“So there’s much evidence that insufficient recovery, accumulation of fatigue & slower nervous system are dramatically increasing injury risk.”

And he is right. The game has changed and so should the training and recovery regimes. I think people hear the word rest/recovery and imagine that means players get to sleep in more and just lay around, when in fact they undertake active recovery sessions ( Foam Roller, AIS, Vibration plate work, deep tissue massages, pool work etc) which at times can be very intense.

 

[beats1]

he speaks a lot of sense, always interesting read what he says

his comments about Hodgson today are very damning

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/14/wales-raymond-verheijen-roy-hodgson-dinosaur

“Embarrassing to see dinosaur Hodgson questioning the fitness regime of the forward-thinking manager Brendan Rodgers. Roy Hodgson’s incompetence must be frustrating for educated managers like Brendan Rodgers who travelled the world.”

Verheijen, went into precise details as to why Sterling should be treated differently. “Firstly, 19-year old players do not have a fully matured body yet so for them the game demands are higher & will develop much more fatigue,” wrote the Dutchman, who still acts as consultant for several national football associations and clubs.
“Young players who develop more fatigue during the game need longer time to get rid of this fatigue otherwise they accumulate fatigue in body.
“Secondly, Sterling is not only a young but also an explosive player. They have many fast muscle fibres compared to less explosive players.
“Fast muscle fibres recover slower compared to slow muscle fibres because less blood & oxygen is running through these fast muscle fibres.
“If explosive players do not get extra recovery time & are treated in the same way as other players, they accumulate fatigue in their body.
“Accumulation of fatigue due to insufficient recovery makes the nervous system slower. The signal from brain to muscles travel slower
“If the signal from the brain arrives later in the muscles this means the brain has less control over body during explosive football actions.
“So there’s much evidence that insufficient recovery, accumulation of fatigue & slower nervous system are dramatically increasing injury risk.”

And he is right. The game has changed and so should the training and recovery regimes. I think people hear the word rest/recovery and imagine that means players get to sleep in more and just lay around, when in fact they undertake active recovery sessions ( Foam Roller, AIS, Vibration plate work, deep tissue massages, pool work etc) which at times can be very intense.

The thing is that he is wrong, he is attacking Roy for saying he is a forward thinking manager

He says Brendon is a forward thinking manager. The issue is that Roy has rested Sterling more than Brendon who has made no attempt to rest him and played him against Ludogrets, Boro(120mins) and etc.

 

[tototoner]

The thing is that he is wrong, he is attacking Roy for saying he is a forward thinking manager

He says Brendon is a forward thinking manager. The issue is that Roy has rested Sterling more than Brendon who has made no attempt to rest him and played him against Ludogrets, Boro(120mins) and etc.

regardless what he says about Rodgers he knows his onions regarding player fitness

 

[EQP]

The thing is that he is wrong, he is attacking Roy for saying he is a forward thinking manager

He says Brendon is a forward thinking manager. The issue is that Roy has rested Sterling more than Brendon who has made no attempt to rest him and played him against Ludogrets, Boro(120mins) and etc.

Again, i think we are confusing recovery with resting. The issue isn't him playing against the likes of ludogrets/boro etc it is what he does after those games that is vital. The players have tailored made schedules that correspond to the amount of gametime/fatigue/ HRV etc. So if i am reading this right, Raheem would play a game saturday , come in on sunday for recovery work and then do some extremely light work/ more recovery on Monday vs the current norm of game saturday/ day off sunday/ back to training monday which is being implemented at other teams. As contradictory as it may sound, pure rest for some of these athletes can be detrimental, they need to flush out alot of the by products of intense activity and start targeting any fatigued body parts.

 

[spurs9]

I was just discussing this with Spurs9 in the Stephen Cauker thread, and looked at the Physioroom records since 2007-08. We don't do brilliantly (and seem to have got worse in recent seasons), but are far from the worst. The real eye-openers are how crap Arsenal are and how good Stoke are. Really worth a look.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2013_14/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2012_13/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2011_12/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2010_11/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2009_10/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2008_09/injury_analysis.php

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2007_08/injury_analysis.php

We kept the same medical team but changed the coaching staff and what a difference to our injuries. Do we need anymore evidence that it was the coaching and not the medical team that was the problem?

Newcastle 1,871 days (37 total injuries)
Arsenal 1,466 (35)
Everton 1,423 (37)
Manchester United 1,348 (39)
QPR 1,283 (31)
Aston Villa 1,148 (29)
Hull City 1,145 (26)
Stoke City 1,109 (27)
Liverpool 1,095 (28)
West Ham 924 (31)
Burnley 871 (16)
Sunderland 863 (20)
Crystal Palace 856 (19)
Southampton 782 (22)
Swansea City 671 (22)
West Brom 640 (19)
Manchester City 630 (24)
Leicester City 540 (22)
Tottenham Hotspur 475 (19)
Chelsea 428 (19)


That is 966 less days of injuries and 26 less total injuries than last year. What makes it more amazing, is that Walker was injured at the start of the season, but the injury happened last season (on the previous coaching regime), so it would have skewed the stats a bit.


"Spurs lost the fewest days to muscle injuries with just 86. Compare that to Newcastle’s 1003"

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2014_15/injury_analysis.php

 

[eddiev14]

We kept the same medical team but changed the coaching staff and what a difference to our injuries. Do we need anymore evidence that it was the coaching and not the medical team that was the problem?

Newcastle 1,871 days (37 total injuries)
Arsenal 1,466 (35)
Everton 1,423 (37)
Manchester United 1,348 (39)
QPR 1,283 (31)
Aston Villa 1,148 (29)
Hull City 1,145 (26)
Stoke City 1,109 (27)
Liverpool 1,095 (28)
West Ham 924 (31)
Burnley 871 (16)
Sunderland 863 (20)
Crystal Palace 856 (19)
Southampton 782 (22)
Swansea City 671 (22)
West Brom 640 (19)
Manchester City 630 (24)
Leicester City 540 (22)
Tottenham Hotspur 475 (19)
Chelsea 428 (19)


That is 966 less days of injuries and 26 less total injuries than last year. What makes it more amazing, is that Walker was injured at the start of the season, but the injury happened last season (on the previous coaching regime), so it would have skewed the stats a bit.


"Spurs lost the fewest days to muscle injuries with just 86. Compare that to Newcastle’s 1003"

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2014_15/injury_analysis.php

I saw this thread and was about to post 'what's this all about?!' As we've had an amazing season on the injuries front.

Then I noticed that this was posted in 2014!

It really has been some turnaround. Credit to Poch and his team.

 

[EQP]

I love our physios and fitness coaches!

 

[EQP]

We kept the same medical team but changed the coaching staff and what a difference to our injuries. Do we need anymore evidence that it was the coaching and not the medical team that was the problem?

Newcastle 1,871 days (37 total injuries)
Arsenal 1,466 (35)
Everton 1,423 (37)
Manchester United 1,348 (39)
QPR 1,283 (31)
Aston Villa 1,148 (29)
Hull City 1,145 (26)
Stoke City 1,109 (27)
Liverpool 1,095 (28)
West Ham 924 (31)
Burnley 871 (16)
Sunderland 863 (20)
Crystal Palace 856 (19)
Southampton 782 (22)
Swansea City 671 (22)
West Brom 640 (19)
Manchester City 630 (24)
Leicester City 540 (22)
Tottenham Hotspur 475 (19)
Chelsea 428 (19)


That is 966 less days of injuries and 26 less total injuries than last year. What makes it more amazing, is that Walker was injured at the start of the season, but the injury happened last season (on the previous coaching regime), so it would have skewed the stats a bit.


"Spurs lost the fewest days to muscle injuries with just 86. Compare that to Newcastle’s 1003"

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2014_15/injury_analysis.php

I love our physios!

 

[Sweech]

Just popping in to say I was wrong.

I previously had a go at the training staff and physios and slagged them off and when Slumdilla showed me this post I gave it a "let's see how it plays out" in my head.

It has played out and I was wrong so thank you to Slumdilla and appologies to our staff!

 

[UncleBuck]

I've been treated a few times by a guy who worked at Spurs for about 8 years as a consultant and often get talking. The one story that sticks out was how the medical staff at the time almost ruined a players career and he had to step in to correct it.

Jan and Mousa go to see this guy when they have a long injury http://www.movetocure.com/en/

I too was treated by Dave Butler back in the late 80's when he was part of our medical team and he was excellent. The thing that stands out now though was that he told me if I was part of the Spurs youth team he'd have put me in a full leg cast for three months, something I didn't have!

 

[arunspurs]

There were couple of back injuries, Dembele had his trouble & couple of players had ankle issues. But I can't remember a single muscle/hamstring injury all season.

Thats remarkable - this in a season where our players ran the most & played reasonably high number of fixtures.

 

[Main Man]

We kept the same medical team but changed the coaching staff and what a difference to our injuries. Do we need anymore evidence that it was the coaching and not the medical team that was the problem?

Newcastle 1,871 days (37 total injuries)
Arsenal 1,466 (35)
Everton 1,423 (37)
Manchester United 1,348 (39)
QPR 1,283 (31)
Aston Villa 1,148 (29)
Hull City 1,145 (26)
Stoke City 1,109 (27)
Liverpool 1,095 (28)
West Ham 924 (31)
Burnley 871 (16)
Sunderland 863 (20)
Crystal Palace 856 (19)
Southampton 782 (22)
Swansea City 671 (22)
West Brom 640 (19)
Manchester City 630 (24)
Leicester City 540 (22)
Tottenham Hotspur 475 (19)
Chelsea 428 (19)


That is 966 less days of injuries and 26 less total injuries than last year. What makes it more amazing, is that Walker was injured at the start of the season, but the injury happened last season (on the previous coaching regime), so it would have skewed the stats a bit.


"Spurs lost the fewest days to muscle injuries with just 86. Compare that to Newcastle’s 1003"

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2014_15/injury_analysis.php

What I find interesting is that Sky Sports skewed these stats to suggest that Man United were the most unfortunate team in terms of injuries.

 

[shelfmonkey]

What I find interesting is that Sky Sports skewed these stats to suggest that Man United were the most unfortunate team in terms of injuries.

Does that surprise you? The mere mention of Man Ure and they're all grabbing their cocks, sometimes eachothers!!!

 

[EQP]

Just popping in to say I was wrong.

I previously had a go at the training staff and physios and slagged them off and when Slumdilla showed me this post I gave it a "let's see how it plays out" in my head.

It has played out and I was wrong so thank you to Slumdilla and appologies to our staff!

Good man! The Physios and behind the scenes staff are some of the most overlooked people on majority of athletic teams, the amount of work and prep that goes into their jobs is insane.

 

[Marty]

What I find interesting is that Sky Sports skewed these stats to suggest that Man United were the most unfortunate team in terms of injuries.

How did they manage that?

 

[wpd659]

It was always a case of our medical team being top pro's! It was allegedly down to others/Coaches that made our teams have more injuries than normal. Allegedly playing injured players and players returning too soon and allegedly causing more damage! That allegedly was the problem in the past.

 

[Sweech]

How did they manage that?

By being ****s.

 

[Jack]

I too was treated by Dave Butler back in the late 80's when he was part of our medical team and he was excellent. The thing that stands out now though was that he told me if I was part of the Spurs youth team he'd have put me in a full leg cast for three months, something I didn't have!

Doubt you would hear anyone suggest that these days.

 

[Main Man]

How did they manage that?

They focused on the number of 'total injuries' which they had the most of.

It obviously suits their agenda in some way.

 

[Main Man]

Doubt you would hear anyone suggest that these days.

Not quite 'these days', but immediately after I left school (2003) I got a cast put on for a similar period under similar circumstances whilst I was at Sunderland academy.