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Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend
The only other aspect we can offer is playing time and squad placement. I doubt he'd be first choice over a healthy Jose Enrique and even now he's not their first choice LB transfer as they're still trying to bring in Moreno. As for us he has to beat out BAE (who likely will likely not be with the team), Danny fucking Rose, and Fryers (who may actually be the backup LCB). He'll likely get far more playing time with us.
I wouldn't be at all shocked if some of this delay was because Liverpool has asked them to wait and either Davies or his agent takes it as a slight as they're essentially being asked to wait it out for what the verdict on Moreno will be.
JJ has changed his mind on Davies so many times this window better to wait and see who he does actually sign for.
Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend
Ben Davies is a decent player, but he does nothing to help our push for top 4. We are struggling to buy the 6th best LB in the top 6.
Extremely underwhelmed...
Generally if you have a RWF like Lamela who will cut inside, score goals and win free kicks, you don't need another on the left, instead you'd have a more conservative winger who stretches the other team and crosses into the striker/no.10/inside forward.Who gives a fuck about a LWF who can cut inside, or score goals, or win free kicks, I just want one who can cross!!!
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If he improves us defensively and overall as a team I don't see what the problem is.
Generally if you have a RWF like Lamela who will cut inside, score goals and win free kicks, you don't need another on the left, instead you'd have a more conservative winger who stretches the other team and crosses into the striker/no.10/inside forward.
A bit like our full backs, Kyle Walker can do the bulk of the attacking, Ben Davies can defend, you know...like a full back is supposed to.
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1. There's actually nothing to suggest he is better defensively than Rose, other than people have just decided its a fact
2. Either he's a defensive full back who wont fit in Poch's system or he will be playing more attacking in which case nobody has a clue what they are talking about - when we get on the ball normally 1/2 of the pivots will hold (forming a temp back 3/4, while the fb's push on), Ben Davies is slow and may be great in a fixed back 4 (who knows) but will struggle to get back should we get overturned.
3. There's plenty of players who would improve us defensively and overall as a team more
Stats don't show him to be a improvement at all, Swans fans (the ones who watch him every week in a mid table team) dont give him glowing endorsements, even Rose was unanimously loved at Sunderland (just below mid table).
As I said, decent player, probably will slightly improve us, but still underwhelming. Everything (bar his HG status) points to be it being a pointless purchase given the alternatives available.
If we are using him as a cheap HG player to be able to get rid of one of our weaker British players, fair play.
Even if we'd signed Ricardo Rodriguez, there's would still be a very minute chance that we'd get Top 4. So can we stop using that against Davies because it's pointless.Ben Davies is a decent player, but he does nothing to help our push for top 4. We are struggling to buy the 6th best LB in the top 6.
Extremely underwhelmed...
So, you're saying he's a slight improvement even though the stats show no improvement at all!
What do you mean there's nothing to suggest he's better defensively than Rose? I'm going by from what I've seen, so its my opinion that he is more consistent in his performances from a defensive point of view than Rose.
As for the instructions he'll receive from Poch from a tactical point of view and style of play etc...best to see how it all evolves and come together unless you think he's had no input to this signing or is signing someone with ignorance to his own style of play lol
Even if we'd signed Ricardo Rodriguez, there's would still be a very minute chance that we'd get Top 4. So can we stop using that against Davies because it's pointless.
He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend
I'm decidedly undecided on Davies but this type of insight is much more appreciated compared to the general 'can't be any fucking worse than Rose' diatribe.He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.
He's constantly evaluating the game in front of him and his position at all times and tracks his player like a hawk. A very aware player.
Now first and foremost this guy has been told to do a very specific job at Swansea, it would appear, as he does get forward but it is considered and measured and he doesn't seem to just abandon his position recklessly and make no attempt to recover (see rose and BAE). But he does get forward and looks to join in when possible, can cross and has a good eye for a pass.
Where he needs to develop, from what I've seen so far, is taking on and driving at the right back and getting around the back - he often cuts inside - but that will come with Poch.
I'm sure the way Swansea have played him has a lot to do with how much he's gotten forward, poch will give him more license and allow him to express himself even more, attack-wise.
This kid has got a solid all-round game up and down the flank, he's not slow, he's not just totally defensive as some wish to think, he's just an extremely responsible, disciplined defender who's been doing a very specific job at swansea, as far as I can see.
He never leaves his LCB in the shit and slots into that position when needed if the team is scrambling, he does it very naturally so won't be surprised if poch sees him as cover for LCB as well if needed.
Good prospect. Also has decent range in his passing and could see him being a shoe-in as a disciplined DM if we have an injury crisis in that position, he'd do well sitting in front of two CBs with a 'none shall pass' banner, from what I've seen.
Anyone wanna watch that game pm me, I think it's an impressive, disciplined performance by him against a very attacking team and may have well been the one to seal the deal irt poch's pursuit.
Liverpool in 2015 said:Who gives a fuck about a LWF who can cut inside, or score goals, or win free kicks, I just want one who can cross!!!
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He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.
He's constantly evaluating the game in front of him and his position at all times and tracks his player like a hawk. A very aware player.
Now first and foremost this guy has been told to do a very specific job at Swansea, it would appear, as he does get forward but it is considered and measured and he doesn't seem to just abandon his position recklessly and make no attempt to recover (see rose and BAE). But he does get forward and looks to join in when possible, can cross and has a good eye for a pass.
Where he needs to develop, from what I've seen so far, is taking on and driving at the right back and getting around the back - he often cuts inside - but that will come with Poch.
I'm sure the way Swansea have played him has a lot to do with how much he's gotten forward, poch will give him more license and allow him to express himself even more, attack-wise.
This kid has got a solid all-round game up and down the flank, he's not slow, he's not just totally defensive as some wish to think, he's just an extremely responsible, disciplined defender who's been doing a very specific job at swansea, as far as I can see.
He never leaves his LCB in the shit and slots into that position when needed if the team is scrambling, he does it very naturally so won't be surprised if poch sees him as cover for LCB as well if needed.
Good prospect. Also has decent range in his passing and could see him being a shoe-in as a disciplined DM if we ever have an injury crisis in that position, he'd do well sitting in front of two CBs with a 'none shall pass' banner, from what I've seen.
Anyone wanna watch that game pm me, I think it's an impressive, disciplined performance by him against a very attacking team and may have well been the one to seal the deal irt poch's pursuit.