Tottenham sign Ben Davies

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The only other aspect we can offer is playing time and squad placement. I doubt he'd be first choice over a healthy Jose Enrique and even now he's not their first choice LB transfer as they're still trying to bring in Moreno. As for us he has to beat out BAE (who likely will likely not be with the team), Danny fucking Rose, and Fryers (who may actually be the backup LCB). He'll likely get far more playing time with us.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some of this delay was because Liverpool has asked them to wait and either Davies or his agent takes it as a slight as they're essentially being asked to wait it out for what the verdict on Moreno will be.

I think the delay was we made our offer according to our valuation and Swansea hoped by getting Liverpool interested they could get more. When Liverpool didn't bite Swansea were probably left with only our bid left on the table and were forced to accept.

 

[crokey]

JJ has changed his mind on Davies so many times this window better to wait and see who he does actually sign for.

It's almost as if there's more than 1 club in for him and Ben Davies might be changing his mind

 

[crokey]

Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend

Who gives a fuck about a LWF who can cut inside, or score goals, or win free kicks, I just want one who can cross!!!

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[crokey]

Ben Davies is a decent player, but he does nothing to help our push for top 4. We are struggling to buy the 6th best LB in the top 6.

Extremely underwhelmed...

 

[Mr Pink]

Ben Davies is a decent player, but he does nothing to help our push for top 4. We are struggling to buy the 6th best LB in the top 6.

Extremely underwhelmed...

If he improves us defensively and overall as a team I don't see what the problem is.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Who gives a fuck about a LWF who can cut inside, or score goals, or win free kicks, I just want one who can cross!!!

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Generally if you have a RWF like Lamela who will cut inside, score goals and win free kicks, you don't need another on the left, instead you'd have a more conservative winger who stretches the other team and crosses into the striker/no.10/inside forward.

A bit like our full backs, Kyle Walker can do the bulk of the attacking, Ben Davies can defend, you know...like a full back is supposed to.

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[crokey]

If he improves us defensively and overall as a team I don't see what the problem is.

1. There's actually nothing to suggest he is better defensively than Rose, other than people have just decided its a fact
2. Either he's a defensive full back who wont fit in Poch's system or he will be playing more attacking in which case nobody has a clue what they are talking about - when we get on the ball normally 1/2 of the pivots will hold (forming a temp back 3/4, while the fb's push on), Ben Davies is slow and may be great in a fixed back 4 (who knows) but will struggle to get back should we get overturned.
3. There's plenty of players who would improve us defensively and overall as a team more

Stats don't show him to be a improvement at all, Swans fans (the ones who watch him every week in a mid table team) dont give him glowing endorsements, even Rose was unanimously loved at Sunderland (just below mid table).

As I said, decent player, probably will slightly improve us, but still underwhelming. Everything (bar his HG status) points to be it being a pointless purchase given the alternatives available.

If we are using him as a cheap HG player to be able to get rid of one of our weaker British players, fair play.

 

[crokey]

Generally if you have a RWF like Lamela who will cut inside, score goals and win free kicks, you don't need another on the left, instead you'd have a more conservative winger who stretches the other team and crosses into the striker/no.10/inside forward.

A bit like our full backs, Kyle Walker can do the bulk of the attacking, Ben Davies can defend, you know...like a full back is supposed to.

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Keepers should stand on their line
CB's should never go forward
Full backs should be measured on defensive work
Wingers should only be measured on crosses
Midfielders should only be measured on vertical passes
10's should only be measured on through balls
Strikers should only be measured on goals

All as stupid as each other

 

[Mr Pink]

1. There's actually nothing to suggest he is better defensively than Rose, other than people have just decided its a fact
2. Either he's a defensive full back who wont fit in Poch's system or he will be playing more attacking in which case nobody has a clue what they are talking about - when we get on the ball normally 1/2 of the pivots will hold (forming a temp back 3/4, while the fb's push on), Ben Davies is slow and may be great in a fixed back 4 (who knows) but will struggle to get back should we get overturned.
3. There's plenty of players who would improve us defensively and overall as a team more

Stats don't show him to be a improvement at all, Swans fans (the ones who watch him every week in a mid table team) dont give him glowing endorsements, even Rose was unanimously loved at Sunderland (just below mid table).

As I said, decent player, probably will slightly improve us, but still underwhelming. Everything (bar his HG status) points to be it being a pointless purchase given the alternatives available.

If we are using him as a cheap HG player to be able to get rid of one of our weaker British players, fair play.

So, you're saying he's a slight improvement even though the stats show no improvement at all!

What do you mean there's nothing to suggest he's better defensively than Rose? I'm going by from what I've seen, so its my opinion that he is more consistent in his performances from a defensive point of view than Rose.

As for the instructions he'll receive from Poch from a tactical point of view and style of play etc...best to see how it all evolves and comes together unless you think he's had no input to this signing or is signing someone with ignorance to his own style of play lol

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Ben Davies is a decent player, but he does nothing to help our push for top 4. We are struggling to buy the 6th best LB in the top 6.

Extremely underwhelmed...

Even if we'd signed Ricardo Rodriguez, there's would still be a very minute chance that we'd get Top 4. So can we stop using that against Davies because it's pointless.

 

[crokey]

So, you're saying he's a slight improvement even though the stats show no improvement at all!

What do you mean there's nothing to suggest he's better defensively than Rose? I'm going by from what I've seen, so its my opinion that he is more consistent in his performances from a defensive point of view than Rose.

As for the instructions he'll receive from Poch from a tactical point of view and style of play etc...best to see how it all evolves and come together unless you think he's had no input to this signing or is signing someone with ignorance to his own style of play lol

No I said he probably will improve us, my reasoning being now we have 2 left backs who can compete with each other. Grass always looks greener on the other side mate, we'll see soon enough. I do hope I'm wrong and he is a brilliant signing for us, just seems like if he is an improvement (we won't know till he plays like you say), it won't be anything major. Considering how shit everyone likes to say Danny Rose is, why are we buying a player who on every metric looks to be very similar?

Either Danny Rose isn't as bad as everyone says, or Ben Davies isn't as good. I'll bet 10 points on it being a bit of both

 

[crokey]

Even if we'd signed Ricardo Rodriguez, there's would still be a very minute chance that we'd get Top 4. So can we stop using that against Davies because it's pointless.

Would never say we will get top 4 if we sign Rodriguez, we certainly would be more on track towards it though, not taking a sideways step.

 

[thinktank]

Who actually gives a shit if he isn't attack minded? I just want a left back who can defend

He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.

He's constantly evaluating the game in front of him and his position at all times and tracks his player like a hawk. A very aware player.

Now first and foremost this guy has been told to do a very specific job at Swansea, it would appear, as he does get forward but it is considered and measured and he doesn't seem to just abandon his position recklessly and make no attempt to recover (see rose and BAE). But he does get forward and looks to join in when possible, can cross and has a good eye for a pass.

Where he needs to develop, from what I've seen so far, is taking on and driving at the right back and getting around the back - he often cuts inside - but that will come with Poch.

I'm sure the way Swansea have played him has a lot to do with how much he's gotten forward, poch will give him more license and allow him to express himself even more, attack-wise.

This kid has got a solid all-round game up and down the flank, he's not slow, he's not just totally defensive as some wish to think, he's just an extremely responsible, disciplined defender who's been doing a very specific job at swansea, as far as I can see.

He never leaves his LCB in the shit and slots into that position when needed if the team is scrambling, he does it very naturally so won't be surprised if poch sees him as cover for LCB as well if needed.

Good prospect. Also has decent range in his passing and could see him being a shoe-in as a disciplined DM if we ever have an injury crisis in that position, he'd do well sitting in front of two CBs with a 'none shall pass' banner, from what I've seen.

Anyone wanna watch that game pm me, I think it's an impressive, disciplined performance by him against a very attacking team and may have well been the one to seal the deal irt poch's pursuit.

 

[felmani26]

He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.

He's constantly evaluating the game in front of him and his position at all times and tracks his player like a hawk. A very aware player.

Now first and foremost this guy has been told to do a very specific job at Swansea, it would appear, as he does get forward but it is considered and measured and he doesn't seem to just abandon his position recklessly and make no attempt to recover (see rose and BAE). But he does get forward and looks to join in when possible, can cross and has a good eye for a pass.

Where he needs to develop, from what I've seen so far, is taking on and driving at the right back and getting around the back - he often cuts inside - but that will come with Poch.

I'm sure the way Swansea have played him has a lot to do with how much he's gotten forward, poch will give him more license and allow him to express himself even more, attack-wise.

This kid has got a solid all-round game up and down the flank, he's not slow, he's not just totally defensive as some wish to think, he's just an extremely responsible, disciplined defender who's been doing a very specific job at swansea, as far as I can see.

He never leaves his LCB in the shit and slots into that position when needed if the team is scrambling, he does it very naturally so won't be surprised if poch sees him as cover for LCB as well if needed.

Good prospect. Also has decent range in his passing and could see him being a shoe-in as a disciplined DM if we have an injury crisis in that position, he'd do well sitting in front of two CBs with a 'none shall pass' banner, from what I've seen.

Anyone wanna watch that game pm me, I think it's an impressive, disciplined performance by him against a very attacking team and may have well been the one to seal the deal irt poch's pursuit.

I'm decidedly undecided on Davies but this type of insight is much more appreciated compared to the general 'can't be any fucking worse than Rose' diatribe.

 

[tobi]

Is he better than Rose?

Can he defend? Is his positioning better? Can he cross and consistently complete short passes?

Yes? Case closed, welcome Ben Davies.

 

[Barry Mead]

If we sign Davies I imagine Rose will want out, he already made noises about wanting to be first choice when he came back from loan last summer. I can't see Benny coming back either and though I'll be pretty happy if we sign Davies I tend to worry we would be in a similar boat to last season. OK a better first choice but an injury away from either using Jan or playing Fryers or Naughton.
I hope we have a few other possibilities up our sleeve to improve our cover without dragging Verts away from CB

 

[jasswolf]

Who gives a fuck about a LWF who can cut inside, or score goals, or win free kicks, I just want one who can cross!!!

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[THFCSPURS19]

So to sum up some Spurs' fans logic:

Stats show Davies is better than Shaw- "Stats are bullshit and mean nothing"

Stats show Rose is better than Davies- "You see! We're just buying an average Left-Back that's just as good/bad as Rose. How are we going to get into the Top 4 now!"

 

[crokey]

He is though, it's a total myth. Watched Swansea v S'ton game of may 3rd, last night, and watched his every step. From the clips I've seen so far and that game, especially, he's very disciplined, sharp, alert, mobile, combative, super focused, extremely responsible positionally but does get forward.

He's constantly evaluating the game in front of him and his position at all times and tracks his player like a hawk. A very aware player.

Now first and foremost this guy has been told to do a very specific job at Swansea, it would appear, as he does get forward but it is considered and measured and he doesn't seem to just abandon his position recklessly and make no attempt to recover (see rose and BAE). But he does get forward and looks to join in when possible, can cross and has a good eye for a pass.

Where he needs to develop, from what I've seen so far, is taking on and driving at the right back and getting around the back - he often cuts inside - but that will come with Poch.

I'm sure the way Swansea have played him has a lot to do with how much he's gotten forward, poch will give him more license and allow him to express himself even more, attack-wise.

This kid has got a solid all-round game up and down the flank, he's not slow, he's not just totally defensive as some wish to think, he's just an extremely responsible, disciplined defender who's been doing a very specific job at swansea, as far as I can see.

He never leaves his LCB in the shit and slots into that position when needed if the team is scrambling, he does it very naturally so won't be surprised if poch sees him as cover for LCB as well if needed.

Good prospect. Also has decent range in his passing and could see him being a shoe-in as a disciplined DM if we ever have an injury crisis in that position, he'd do well sitting in front of two CBs with a 'none shall pass' banner, from what I've seen.

Anyone wanna watch that game pm me, I think it's an impressive, disciplined performance by him against a very attacking team and may have well been the one to seal the deal irt poch's pursuit.

I like that he appears to cut inside more than go out wide, I think learning to take a player on with your stronger foot is a lot easier to learn than being coached to turn inside from full back a la Baines