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Tottenham Vs Sunderland: Match Thread

markieboy

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Defeatist much? Since when has 2-0 after 25 mins ever been game over?

Fair enough but how many teams in World football would you put a bet on to win after being 2-0 down?
I guarantee Spurs wouldn't be one of them.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Fair enough but how many teams in World football would you put a bet on to win after being 2-0 down?
I guarantee Spurs wouldn't be one of them.

I suspect this is what TS was thinking to himself as he sat in the stands watching on like a neutral...
 

Syn_13

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Soldado's injured and Ade is a doubt. I fully expect us to start with Harry Kane alone up front.



Jesus.

If we have neither Ade, nor Soldado, then we'll have to make do with Kane. Could always give Chadli a go up top.
 

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I had a dream last night about this game. Sherwood took the bold approach of playing himself and Stefan Freund in midfield. We were 2-0 down with two minutes left, got back to 2-2 but then in celebrating the contentious equaliser Freund dropped the nut on Wes Brown and got sent off. We lost 3-2 and at full time Tim just started windmilling anyone in sight.

I expect that my dream was much more entertaining than the dross likely to be served up tonight!
 

CheeseGromit

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I have often volunteered to play and one of my near by ST's holders ask if I brought my boots

Well tonight I am offering me services to manage the team I will only do it if I have full control starting with team selection
 

yankspurs

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Well, I mean, this game may have just gotten a bit more interesting. Only thing is I can definitely see Dim not giving a fuck anymore. Butthst wouldnt change the results anyway.
 

MaccSpurs

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As bill nick once said we are nothing if we are not in Europe nothing and that is why we should always aim to be in as many competions as possible that is what big clubs do.

*rolls eyes*

Bill Nick said that when being in Europe meant something. The UEFA Cup is now the Europa League where the failing Champions League teams get rewarded for failing.

No one values this competition which is apparent by how we have been treating it over recent seasons.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Did Liverpool even make any important signings in the summer?

Why should 'making important signings' be a prerequisite for improvement? This is such a common fallacy. They stuck together, they retained their best players and they continued to learn their manager's system. That made them better.

It's called stability. We could usefully emulate it.

Liverpool, who actually have a less deep squad than we have, in other words, there is a bigger gap in quality between their notional first 11 and their bench, have also been extraordinarily fortunate with injuries this season - they've basically lost no key players at all for any meaningful periods, whereas we have had enforced rotation in defence, midfield and attack throughout the season.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Why should 'making important signings' be a prerequisite for improvement? This is such a common fallacy. They stuck together, they retained their best players and they continued to learn their manager's system. That made them better.

It's called stability. We could usefully emulate it.

My comment was in response to Sherwood's notion that there is a 'technical gulf' between the sides.

If they have the same players as last year (when we were better than them, and beat them) then how can there all of a sudden be a technical gulf when there wasn't one before?

The gulf isn't technical, it's tactical. Amongst other reasons, including stability as you said, and harmony, and belief. And you don't inspire belief by declaring nonsense 'technical' gulfs.
 

davidmatzdorf

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My comment was in response to Sherwood's notion that there is a 'technical gulf' between the sides.

If they have the same players as last year (when we were better than them, and beat them) then how can there all of a sudden be a technical gulf when there wasn't one before?

The gulf isn't technical, it's tactical. Amongst other reasons, including stability as you said.

OK. Incidentally, I was editing whilst you were replying.

Our squad is every bit as technically capable as theirs and it's deeper as well. We lack the world-class players we had for several years, to give the team a spark.

Our tactics have scarcely changed since AVB left - the players are still far too hesitant in attack. Sherwood has basically changed virtually nothing, except for playing Adebayor. We were tactically ineffective under AVB - we were not scoring goals - and Sherwood has failed to improve our attacking play, after an initial surge when Adebayor was running on brio and relief.

The defensive deterioration in recent weeks I would attribute primarily to injuries - and I also think that Kaboul and Vertonghen look surprisingly ill-at-ease as a defensive partnership.

Worst of all, we were boring and frustrating to watch under AVB and we are just as boring and frustrating to watch now.
 

talkshowhost86

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*rolls eyes*

Bill Nick said that when being in Europe meant something. The UEFA Cup is now the Europa League where the failing Champions League teams get rewarded for failing.

No one values this competition which is apparent by how we have been treating it over recent seasons.

It's a different kettle of badgers next year though due to the (albeit small) chance of Champions League qualification.
 

Mr Pink

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Why should 'making important signings' be a prerequisite for improvement? This is such a common fallacy. They stuck together, they retained their best players and they continued to learn their manager's system. That made them better.

It's called stability. We could usefully emulate it.

Liverpool, who actually have a less deep squad than we have, in other words, there is a bigger gap in quality between their notional first 11 and their bench, have also been extraordinarily fortunate with injuries this season - they've basically lost no key players at all for any meaningful periods, whereas we have had enforced rotation in defence, midfield and attack throughout the season.

David I agree but not on the injury front.

For a start they had Suarez missing for the first seven games. Sturridge was out for about 6-8 weeks which included over the busy festive period. They've had Lucas out and Enrique, their best LB, out nearly all season. Agger has been out for long stretches as well. Pretty sure Coutinho was out for a stretch to.

Maybe not as bad as our injuries but they've had their fair share to contend with, like most Clubs.
 
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greaves

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I really think they need to do away with the indescribably pointless group stages for certain teams though.

Agreed. Maybe they should somehow reward club who have to travel long distances
David I agree but not on the injury front.

For a start they had Suarez missing for the first seven games. Sturridge was out for about 6-8 weeks which included over the busy festive period. They've had Lucas out and Enrique, their best LB, out nearly all season. Agger has been out for long stretches as well. Pretty sure Coutinho was out for a stretch as well.

Maybe not as bad as our injuries but they've had their fair share to contend with, like most Clubs.

Coutinho was out from mid-September till the end of October and then picked up another injury in December. I was fully expecting this to derail their season and it didn't seem to. I was also, uncharitably, hoping for an injury to Suarez. And that didn't happen either!
 

Cheltenham Spur

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I guess we'll know if Timmy's going at the final whistle if he throws his gilet into the crowd.
 
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