Tottenham Vs West Ham: Match Thread

[JerryGarcia]

We should have buried them tonight, I find it difficult to be too mad at Sherwood though as to be fair, he's only had 2 days to work with the team as manager. Can't fault him for the subs either as they were some what forced due to Townsend's hammy and Ade/Rose's time out/injury.

All in all, and after starting my Christmas Whiskey early, I'm numb to the defeat but I just want the team to perform when we have some actual defenders available and a full time manager. We definitely have the quality but we need someone to come in and make the players believe in themselves again.

 

[barry]

What a brilliant chair

 

[JerryGarcia]

Caulker?

Agree, he was making just as many mistakes as anyone else and while he's younger than Dawson, he was never going to be the answer to our problems this season. If we'd kept him he'd be getting the same kind of digs as Naughton/Dawson/Chadli/Lamela/Jenas.

 

[MikeCOYS]

My only hope is, somewhere around the the World, a top class manager was watching tonight's game and is already making his plans to sort out the fucking mess that is our football team.

After seeing this and every other performance from Spurs, I doubt a top class manager can fix it.

The only solution I can see is time. Time for them to gel.

We can't play free flowing football because there's no chemistry.

I'm somewhat reluctant to say bring Redknapp back. He's the one who can solve this.

Not because his tactically any good, but he'll give our group of players a big walloping. Something AVB and Tim doesn't have.

From the start of the season to now, you can notice not one of the players played 100% (except Holtby, Dawson and Sandro), they're just there to collect their wages. If Bill Nic was there, they'll not be playing for Spurs until they got their act back on.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

just to point out this he had two days stuff, he is not new to the club or the setup but he decided to go for a formation which because is classed as attacking and we should win with it might score him some points.

He could have stuck with the formation we have played all season and tweaked players and positions.

 

[Chimbo!]

The last time the club was engulfed by crisis it was when we had a director of football system. It creates backstabbing behind the scenes and no end of problems. People are constantly fighting for control. Look how Comolli, Arnesen and Pleat turned out. DoF's are trouble.

There's a lot of anger tonight and rightly so. A week ago we were talking about beating Liverpool and going level on points with the top 4 teams. Less than seven days later we are in meltdown. And it's not because we lost 5-0 against Liverpool. And it's not because we lost to West Ham at home today.

It's because there have been some rank bad decisions made by the senior management that have completely destabilized our season. There were rumours AVB was a dead man walking after the Man City game and they persisted despite a subsequent 5 game unbeaten run.

We signed Lamela for £30 million but he never played. Why? AVB couldn't have fancied him. Did he actually want him?

There are rumours of disagreements over transfers, fall-outs between manager and chairman, back-stabbing and disharmony among the management and coaching staff.

The club stinks. Things were so positive 3 months ago. In fact at one point we had 20 points from 10 games - things were going well.

It's the stupid continental management system. Theoretically, it can work but not when there's political in-fighting all the time.

 

[SpurSince57]

You say this, but how often are we going to blame individual players, regardless of who we bring in for not scoring? You talk as if those players don't and have never had goals in them.

Sigurdsson has scored goals before he came to Spurs, Demspey scored goals before he joined spurs last year (23), Chadli had goals in him (18 last year), Lamela scored a bunch last year (15), Eriksen got a good few last year (11) Adebayor has scored goals everywhere, even proved it for us in his first season, Soldado scored goals for fun last year (34).

There is a vicious recurring theme here and I don't like it.

Chadli and Eriksen scored in the Eredivisie. 'nuff said.

Lamela has had one good season, in a different league.

Dempsey had two good seasons getting into double figures for Fulham, but needed a lot of chances. He has never got into double figures otherwise. He was actually decent for us last season. Soldado could do the business for us if he had the supply and support. Ade's a law unto himself.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

@MiguelDelaney: Sherwood says Spurs players too tired to play system, which sounds an excuse, but tallies with some talk about intensity of AVB training.

Same old excuses...pitch too small, fans crap, players tired... Unreal!!

 

[Kendall]

Chadli and Eriksen scored in the Eredivisie. 'nuff said.

Lamela has had one good season, in a different league.

Dempsey had two good seasons getting into double figures for Fulham, but needed a lot of chances. He has never got into double figures otherwise. He was actually decent for us last season. Soldado could do the business for us if he had the supply and support. Ade's a law unto himself.

Hazard scored in the Eredivisie, you takes ya chance. They still scored goals, you can't write off the fact that they have the ability to finish regardless. There is something to build on there. Lamela had one good season? Fuck, he's 21! of course he's had one good season.

 

[stevenurse]

I just cant handle the same old media shit thats gonna be rolled out by the club. "we need to improve", "we've let ourselves down and the fans too" blah blah blah. At least it wont be dawson and that annoying interview face he has.

I would much prefer sherwood to say there will be no interviews, the squad needs a big kick up the arse

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

After seeing this and every other performance from Spurs, I doubt a top class manager can fix it.

The only solution I can see is time. Time for them to gel.

We can't play free flowing football because there's no chemistry.

I'm somewhat reluctant to say bring Redknapp back. He's the one who can solve this.

Not because his tactically any good, but he'll give our group of players a big walloping. Something AVB and Tim doesn't have.

From the start of the season to now, you can notice not one of the players played 100% (except Holtby, Dawson and Sandro), they're just there to collect their wages. If Bill Nic was there, they'll not be playing for Spurs until they got their act back on.

TBF I thought Sherwood was the guy Harry sent the players to for a walloping, but I guess theres only so many boots that can be put to arse's in 2 days.

What the players need now is a manager that has experience, someone that played the game at a high level. After AVB, giving Tim Sherwood any kind of extended run is a bad move, the players need some kind of confidence installed by someone that knows what they are doing.

Sorry but the "we need time to gel" excuse doesnt wash with me, its nearly Christmas!

 

[Blackcanary]

@MiguelDelaney: Sherwood says Spurs players too tired to play system, which sounds an excuse, but tallies with some talk about intensity of AVB training.

Same old excuses...pitch too small, fans crap, players tired... Unreal!!

So...if they were tired, why did we play with a high-octane, energy-sapping system?

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

So...if they were tired, why did we play with a high-octane, energy-sapping system?

He hasn't a clue.

 

[SpurSince57]

Hazard scored in the Eredivisie, you takes ya chance. They still scored goals, you can't write off the fact that they have the ability to finish regardless. There is something to build on there. Lamela had one good season? Fuck, he's 21! of course he's had one good season.

Lille play in the Eredivisie? Whatever you say.

 

[Darragh]

@MiguelDelaney: Sherwood says Spurs players too tired to play system, which sounds an excuse, but tallies with some talk about intensity of AVB training.

Same old excuses...pitch too small, fans crap, players tired... Unreal!!

so why take off a forward and keep tired midfielders on.. the call was to bring someone on for dembele or sigs myself or soldado for defoe but wrong decisions all around from team selection on... losing at home to a team like that tonight and something is seriously wrong.. all the excuses coming out now

 

[only1waddle]

So...if they were tired, why did we play with a high-octane, energy-sapping system?

first game and there is an excuse, a thinly veiled blame it on the last man excuse at that.

 

[MikeCOYS]

Sorry but the "we need time to gel" excuse doesnt wash with me, its nearly Christmas!

Doesn't go well with me too. But it may be the truth.

I just think it's another Ramos situation where we were in the relegation zone because we had just signed a group of foreign players then too.

Although, it could well be the tactics and formation isn't boding well with the players.

I just hope there's a manager out there that can put all our offensive talents into their CORRECT position and tactics. Bring them back to their former self.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

What we lacked last year, we still lack after spending 110m.

We never replaced Modric with anyone similar.

We have no1 in the middle of the park who wants the ball. Who will take it under pressure. Biggest mistake we have made, not buying a similar player.

Our midfielders are all athletes but scared to receive the ball under pressure, this we find ourselves passing along back 4 and back to keeper

And the one we do have we loaned to our ex boss

 

[2bearis2do]

Bottom líne and I've made my mind up - you can't put a non tried and tested manager (DimTim) into the hot seat of a club wanting to be where we want to be - we don't have the time or the patience for such an experiment.
At least we found that out tonight!

 

[only1waddle]

so why take off a forward and keep tired midfielders on.. the call was to bring someone on for dembele or sigs myself or soldado for defoe but wrong decisions all around from team selection on... losing at home to a team like that tonight and something is seriously wrong.. all the excuses coming out now

It was madness, the goal was lucky really as we were on the back foot, not really set to counter either as our collective defending was nowhere to be seen and in reality we needed a passer in Midfield for Defoe much sooner.