Traitors get out of our club now!

[arnoldlayne]

Why is it embarrassing to dislike someone who is a poisonous disloyal twat? I don't care what his work is like, he's not the kind of person who we need around the club. He belongs on Talksport with the rest of his knuckle-scraping mates.

Freund was a victim of his once, so I hope he particularly enjoys his downfall.

He was extremely negative about us before joining us when Redknapp joined- with lots of snide, critical, mocking comments

what did he do to Freund?

 

[Monkey boy]

He is bang to rights, unless keys is a compulsive liar.

Probably correct he wants out to Blackburn cheaply.

He could always resign and go to Blackburn for free?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

He was extremely negative about us before joining us when Redknapp joined- with lots of snide, critical, mocking comments

what did he do to Freund?

Criticised his abilities in the press ahead of the 2002 League Cup final and basically said Hoddle would be insane to play him over him. Hoddle gave in and went with Deadwood, who then had a nightmare of a game and got an absolute hiding from a very aged Mark Hughes. He was backstabbing to his teammate, and then typically gutless in his performance.

 

[Flashspur]

i dont think Tim Sherwood is silly enough to do something like that. It sounds more like an article to compromise the club. If Tim is looking for early doors because of the Blackburn job Levy is hardly the one who is going to fall for school boy crap like this

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

i dont think Tim Sherwood is silly enough to do something like that. It sounds more like an article to compromise the club. If Tim is looking for early doors because of the Blackburn job Levy is hardly the one who is going to fall for school boy crap like this

Sherwood has previous at being the assassin. He completely undermined Hoddle and made his position untenable. He also gunned very publicly for Jol.

I don't think he's doing it because he wants the Blackburn job, I think it's a parting shot because he's been issolated and sidelined. Basically Levy and AVB are bringing in a DoF above him and have made it clear he isn't a candidate (because he doesn't have contacts or experience on transfers).

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Criticised his abilities in the press ahead of the 2002 League Cup final and basically said Hoddle would be insane to play him over him. Hoddle gave in and went with Deadwood, who then had a nightmare of a game and got an absolute hiding from a very aged Mark Hughes. He was backstabbing to his teammate, and then typically gutless in his performance.

Someone saying publicly as he did "Don't play him, play me, because I am better than him" is not stabbing anyone in the back by any stretch of the imagination. It is publicly competing verbally for a place in a Cup Final team. Anyone with any confidence in their ability, whether you think it is misguided or not, is surely entitled to do the same. Incidentally, my memory of that game is that although Hughes played well, Tottenham were unlucky in the extreme.
Sherwood was one of those critical of Hoddle, but he was not alone, and Hoddle was not a great success as manager of Tottenham, much as I wish he had been, and still think he possibly could be in the right circumstances. But you imply that Hoddle was not very good, because you think he "gave in" to Sherwood, rather than the more likely proposition that he agreed with him.
Sherwood's comments as an analyst have not always been positive, but generally backed up with intelligent use of facts, and criticism is not being snide when it is justified. Loyalty should not extend to blindness.
With regard to Sherwood's allegiance, he has always publicly maintained that he was and is a Spurs fan but that his father was a strong Arsenal fan, which led to family arguments. How true this is I don't know, as I am not a member of the family.
With regard to Sherwood's performance as Technical Development Co-ordinator, it has clearly been very good, with good results, good performances, intelligent use of the loan system, and players coming through to the first team squad in greater numbers than previously.
With regard to Richard Keys' comments they are complete and utter bollocks, typical of the man, and he has admitted as such, as he often does.

 

[eddiebailey]

Sherwood was one of those critical of Hoddle, but he was not alone, and Hoddle was not a great success as manager of Tottenham,

Hoddle could not cope with any sort of disagreement, ultimately he ended up freezing out both Sherwood and Freund. Their shared memories of what a **** their former boss was should help overcome any enmity. I would imagine Sherwood was at least consulted before Freund's appointment.

 

[eddiebailey]

I am impressed that Talksport's insider information comes from the backpage of The Sun.

 

[donny1013]

Sherwood was offered the Blackburn post 2 days ago but the only thing holding it up is the fact his missus isn't keen on going up there.

 

[Mullers]

Richard Keys ‏@tSKeysandGray
Just re read The Sun's back page. I did Tim a dis-service - those comments were not his. What was The Sun's agenda though?

Yet Keys said "Sherwood told us"

WTF?!!?

 

[ethanedwards]

I am impressed that Talksport's insider information comes from the backpage of The Sun.

It's a bit scary that people are setting out to lynch Sherwood on the evidece of a Sun Journalist.

 

[kaz Hirai]

It's a bit scary that people are setting out to lynch Sherwood on the evidece of a Sun Journalist.

disagree. Everyone on this board to their credit ignored the Sun's story as pure bullshit and a shameful attempt at applying pressure on AVB

It was Richard Keys saying SHERWOOD PERSONALY TOLD HIM that the players disliked AVB. So you somewhat expect not to have a sports pundit completly bare face lie about something like that...turns out though he did

 

[Makkaveli101]

the players didnt look tired to me, though. nor did they seem unhappy in any way with AVB. it was quite telling how he went around to give high fives and hugs to the players and all responded very well, esp bale

I dunno mate as far as tiredness goes. I remember Lennon chasing a ball down and giving up, Bale looking very slow at times in the 2nd half, and when Defoe was set free against two Man Utd players he looked very sluggish...so sluggish it was pointed out by everyone in the group I was watching the game with? Looked like he was running with the ball in slow motion.

Anyone else notice this?

 

[Kyras]

I dunno mate as far as tiredness goes. I remember Lennon chasing a ball down and giving up, Bale looking very slow at times in the 2nd half, and when Defoe was set free against two Man Utd players he looked very sluggish...so sluggish it was pointed out by everyone in the group I was watching the game with? Looked like he was running with the ball in slow motion.

Anyone else notice this?

That's to be expected when you don't have the ball. United had over 80% possession over some five-minute spells in the second half. We also started at a hell of a tempo and some of the lads played midweek as well so I wouldn't be too worried.

 

[Makkaveli101]

That's to be expected when you don't have the ball. United had over 80% possession over some five-minute spells in the second half. We also started at a hell of a tempo and some of the lads played midweek as well so I wouldn't be too worried.

True mate, true.

 

[StartingPrice]

Criticised his abilities in the press ahead of the 2002 League Cup final and basically said Hoddle would be insane to play him over him. Hoddle gave in and went with Deadwood, who then had a nightmare of a game and got an absolute hiding from a very aged Mark Hughes. He was backstabbing to his teammate, and then typically gutless in his performance.

arthurgrimsdell has answered the first part of this. As for the second part, what does that even mean: he had a bad game? Uniquely? Or did he constantly pullt out of challenges hunched down like a frog with his hands on his head to protect himself. And typically - the man captained an EPL winning side, I hardly think he would have done that if he was as bad as you assert constantly.

I think the real issue was that this was part of our modus operandi at the time as we couldn't compete with our rivals who had considerably more income and turnover - to have a team of mid-table mediocrity quality who would never get near a top 4 side, and fill it out with some top quality top 4 players on the downward slope of their career that the top 4 clubs could dispense with and we could suddenly afford/they would suddenly consent to join. That is why Levy took a moratorium when GHodd was dismissed - because that modus was going to get us nowhere fast (and was doing), and that is why he opted for a more continental approach (which has boosted our fortunes considerably). WTF is the point in carrying out a vendetta against Tim Sherwood because he was bought on the downward slope of his career as part of our overall operational norms at the time? And pretending that that, and the standout bad games he had for us, was the extent of Tim Sherwood, the player, is just sad.

Sherwood has previous at being the assassin. He completely undermined Hoddle and made his position untenable. He also gunned very publicly for Jol.

I don't think he's doing it because he wants the Blackburn job, I think it's a parting shot because he's been issolated and sidelined. Basically Levy and AVB are bringing in a DoF above him and have made it clear he isn't a candidate (because he doesn't have contacts or experience on transfers).

You have previous as an assassin on these boards - you wanted the team to fail when it was doing well, just so your hatred of Redknapp would be vindicated.
GHodd didn't reall need anyone to undermine him, but, if truth be told (and, I suspect, you know precious little about what actually went on there, but never suggest anything was rumoured or alleged, just assert things as facts), there were very strong rumours that David PleatMeister was doing plenty of undermining in the boardroom.
Besides, as explained above, our real problem was not GHodd's abilities (or otherwise) as a manager, nor was it players or other members of staff undermining him. It was that the club just wasn't structured or financed to compete at the highet level, but that the club's traditions didn't preclude us towards acceptance of our mid-table mediocrity status. That is a recipe for failure regardless of the personalities involved. Your insistence on painting Sherwood as a bogeyman figure based on some media crap, some poor performances in the twilight of his career, and lobbying publicly to get into a cup final team, is ludicrous, as is your refusal to back down in this thread even though it has been shown that the offending piece of journo-nonsense that has whipped you into an anti-Sherwood frenzy was absolute nonsense.

What makes you think he has been isolated and sidelined? The fact that almost the whole of the previous regime has been dismissed but he was retained and promoted. Yeah, 'cos that is Levy's usual mode of doing things, isn't it? Tell us, Dan, why? Why do you think Levy was dismiss the other members of the regime but keep Sherwood on and promote him as part of a policy of isolating and sidelining him? How does that make sense even in your head? How is being conspicuously retained and promoted in any way being isolated? And how is being conspicuously retained and promoted in anyway being sidelined? That truly is <DUMB>.

They haven't made anything clear - it is nothing to do with AVB who is promoted or not, or who gets the job of Technical Director/DOF or not, and he stated that himself in his recent interview. The way that job is envisaged is that he answers to Levy and Sherwood (or replacement) and AVB answer to him (this does not imply that Sherwood is on exactly equal footing to AVB, just that the Head Coach is primarily responsible for the 1st Team and Sherwood's development role is responsible for the young players, really). It is up to Levy to make that appointment. Why you should imagine that Levy not considering Sherwood for the role when he has just started a role that he has been promoted to, and hasn't shown enough to be judged a success (or otherwise) is totally beyond me. Would that normally happen where you are from (which, I am beginning to believe, is the Planet Zanussi)? Do people normally get promotions and then, when they have hardly even got their teeth into the role, get promoted to the role their recent promotion should have been reporting to?

 

[StartingPrice]

WTF?!!?

Semantics - Sherwood told us the Great Bratish public, via the Sun article - even though he never because there was no claim that Sherwood had said any such thing. In fact, it was clear that the whole juvenile drivel was inspired (if that is the right term ) by Gareth Bale's interview, only twisted hideously out of shape to suit an agenda.

 

[si_yidarmy]

I dont think Sherwood would say anything like that.... btw if we are tired..... then imagine what we could have done last night full steam!

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Just read through four pages to discover that this is a big fuss about absolutely nothing. Super.

 

[Dan Yeats]

I'm staggered that anyone has given this even a moment's consideration.

It's Richard Fucking Keys FFS. Smarmy wankstain par excellence. If Keys wrote that elephants are bigger than ants then I'd be taking multiple measurements before even thinking of believing it, and even then I'd not put money on it.