Ultimately Ramos and Levy may not be on the same page on DB and RK.

[stevenqoz]

In times past it would not have been unusual for a coach/manager to throw out ultimatums if threatened with losing their 'stars'. I don't sense this with Ramos and he may feel it clears a few roadblocks for him. Berbatov was always gonig to leave after our EPL 11th and Keane was not pleased playing 65 minutes per game. Would this season have been any different for him? Ramos can continue to build his 'own' team for Spurs.
Levy on the other hand will have a different perspective. He will have been rehearsing the Berbatov / United responses all year. He may even be secretly pleased about the scouse approach for Keane.....the tricky thing for him is not to smile especially in front of the Spurs fans who own the Keano shirts. 20million? He will be chuckling inside. This valuing of Keane is ridiculas.....he just can't admit it.
Levy will continue to be angry/hurt all the way to the bank while Ramos works hard to bring in replacements.

 

[GRINYID]

You may be on the right lines in the text of your message SG but your headline gives a different leaning - perhaps ultimately JR/DL are looking for the same end result?

 

[lifeof...]

doesn't your post actually suggest they are on the same page?

 

[stevenqoz]

Not in the eyes of the fans. Levy has to be all about anger and hurt in public. Ramos is looking past players he inherited and dealing with things he can have an influence on. In reality they may secretly be on the same page in private if that makes senseEek

 

[Locotoro]

so they are on the same page

 

[Stoof]

I expect it's protocol for the Chairman to make the statement. The rest of what you say Steven, is just speculation based on nothing but senses and opinions.

Sorry old bean, but given probabilities I dare say that Ramos and Levy are singing off the same hymn sheet more than ever.

 

[tRiKS]

I expect it's protocol for the Chairman to make the statement. The rest of what you say Steven, is just speculation based on nothing but senses and opinions.

Sorry old bean, but given probabilities I dare say that Ramos and Levy are singing off the same hymn sheet more than ever.

I think it's looking likley you'll press submit on your 20,000 before either is sold

 

[guy]

how is keane not worth 20mil? Flapping aside, the guy has scored 20+ goals a season for the last 3 seasons, as well as having hepas of assists and goal leadup play that ends in a goal (pre-assists if you like)

the stats dont lie. he is one of a few proven premiership goal scorers in his prime

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

In times past it would not have been unusual for a coach/manager to throw out ultimatums if threatened with losing their 'stars'. I don't sense this with Ramos and he may feel it clears a few roadblocks for him. Berbatov was always gonig to leave after our EPL 11th and Keane was not pleased playing 65 minutes per game. Would this season have been any different for him? Ramos can continue to build his 'own' team for Spurs.
Levy on the other hand will have a different perspective. He will have been rehearsing the Berbatov / United responses all year. He may even be secretly pleased about the scouse approach for Keane.....the tricky thing for him is not to smile especially in front of the Spurs fans who own the Keano shirts. 20million? He will be chuckling inside. This valuing of Keane is ridiculas.....he just can't admit it.
Levy will continue to be angry/hurt all the way to the bank while Ramos works hard to bring in replacements.

Well, he won't get 65 at L'pool. They play 4-2-3-1 and he's not gonna be playing ahead of the best striker in the world at the moment. He's not a winger by nature and it's the same with Gerrard as it is with Torres. So if he goes he will be like Crouch was last term for them, only he could fill more positions. They could change their formation but I simply can't see it.

Besides, this has nothing to do with him wanting to go. "Apparently" he grew up supporting Liverpool as a boy.

 

[andyw362]

In times past it would not have been unusual for a coach/manager to throw out ultimatums if threatened with losing their 'stars'. I don't sense this with Ramos and he may feel it clears a few roadblocks for him. Berbatov was always gonig to leave after our EPL 11th and Keane was not pleased playing 65 minutes per game. Would this season have been any different for him? Ramos can continue to build his 'own' team for Spurs.
Levy on the other hand will have a different perspective. He will have been rehearsing the Berbatov / United responses all year. He may even be secretly pleased about the scouse approach for Keane.....the tricky thing for him is not to smile especially in front of the Spurs fans who own the Keano shirts. 20million? He will be chuckling inside. This valuing of Keane is ridiculas.....he just can't admit it.
Levy will continue to be angry/hurt all the way to the bank while Ramos works hard to bring in replacements.

Brilliant post. 100% correct IMO

 

[SpurSince57]

As a post based on total supposition and a few fragments of contradictory ITK, this is great.

 

[jamesc0le]

i don't understand why levy is being underhanded yet again, pulling the wool over the fans eyes.. why doesnt he just say '' we have understood for some time that dimitar berbatov wants to play for a club in the CL, and we are working towards finding and offer that suits him and us, however we are unwilling to negotiate or deal with our premiership rivals, as this would compromise our ability to compete with those parties''

ferguson would never dream of selling his good players to his rivals, as demonstrated when Heinze was sold to madrid instead of liverpool, despite the players protests.
if Levy sells berba to manure, he will end up with egg all over his face and shirt. he needs to understand that spurs need to make less money on berba and sell him abroad, in order to give us, at least, a chance to compete in the premiership.

 

[SpurSince57]

No-one outside the top echelon at Spurs knows what's going on. Surmise is fun, but just remember you're basing it on bugger all.

 

[jamesc0le]

but levy has been around a while now, and we kind of know, or think we know , the way he works.. so when people speculate on what levy will end up doing, it's not a completely blind assertion. howevere you are right, there are many other factors, and possibly people are putting pressures on levy to work a certain way. if this were true, levy is the fall guy, and i don't blame him for using the ''spin''..

 

[stevenqoz]

SS57, even faint or tongue in cheek praise from you is welcome:grin:

 

[Locotoro]

how is keane not worth 20mil? Flapping aside, the guy has scored 20+ goals a season for the last 3 seasons, as well as having hepas of assists and goal leadup play that ends in a goal (pre-assists if you like)

the stats dont lie. he is one of a few proven premiership goal scorers in his prime

Keane is not worth 20m.

He has scored 20 goals a season for 3 seasons given he has been playing almost 50 games a season kind of deflates that achievement.

His form has coincided with the form of Mido's first season and Berbatovs arrival. We've had two of the best target men in the premier league in recent years (and yes that includes Mido when he first came). I can't see any other players that he will gel with in the same fashion.

Keane is in his decline and is starting to lose his pace and quickness of feet.

Liverpool are looking for a David Villa-esque type who can replicate the Torres-Villa front line of Spain but dont realise that Keane will need a good season to get to grips with their style after playing for Spurs for so long.

He is no longer creative enough to be a Forward Playmaker type like Berba, he isnt pacy enough to be a frontrunner like torres, he isnt tall or strong enough to be a target man. He relies on his quickness of mind and I think in a team that are not as free scoring as us he will struggle to have chances fall to his feet.

Very much like Robbie Fowler

 

[SpurSince57]

A 42% strike rate may not be absolutely top-drawer, but it's hardly to be sneezed at. Keane also provides a lot of assist attempts—not quite as many as Berbatov, but not far off.

And if we say he's worth £20m, and Liverpool are willing to pay that, he's worth £20m.

 

[rez9000]

I think what you mean, Steve, is that Levy and Ramos have the same idea, but for different reasons. I can see why you would think that, and as an opinion, it seems to fit. Of course, that's not to say it's true, but it's not unfeasible.