Villas-Boas "Tottenham Board Destroyed Everything I Built"

[markdadude]

To blame Levy for the collapse of the Mouthino deal shows a complete ignorance of the facts as the third party ownership made the deal impossible to do .Now if you want to blame Levy for global warming thats a different matter.

sorry, bullshit.

or show us some facts

 

[buckley]

The facts are known that Mouthino was in third party ownership as stated by his own club by our club and all written and spoken outlets.So how about you show the facts that all these people got together and lied.
Some people just will try anything to do Levy down and bugger the facts .
You will have to use something else to have a pop a Levy.
By the way I am not the biggest fan of Levy but if having pop at least let the complaint be correct.

 

['O Zio]

Blimey, some of you in here are throwing hate back at him like he just insulted your mother!

He talked about the board FFS and why are you leaping to their defence? No one on the board gives two shits about you unless you can make them richer, especially Levy, so go get a wet fish and start slapping yourself in the face...

Yes the football did get very boring under AVB and yes I did want him out but I appreciate him speaking honestly about his time at the club. Frankly, very little real information is ever filtered down to the fans so I'm all for it.

He's hardly wrong either is he? We know he badly wanted Moutinho and even at 32 now at Wolves he's showing absolute class and what a bloody good signing he would have been for us. Remember this was when Modric had just gone to Madrid leaving a gaping hole to fill.
It was an affordable signing too but Levy did his usual "tight-ass last-minute of deadline day fuckery" and the deal collapsed. Totally unforgivable.

The Moutinho deal had nothing to do with Levy being tight. We'd agreed everything to sign him but then his third party ownership started messing us about and moving the goalposts, then when we met both his and the 2rd party's demands, Porto then renegged on the previously agreed deal and while all that was going on, the paperwork didn't get submitted in time because they were still squabbling.

sorry, bullshit.

or show us some facts

OK then:

(From https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/04/tottenham-hotspur-joao-moutinho)

A third party investor owns 15% of Moutinho's economic rights, after deals were struck following the player's €10m transfer from Sporting Lisbon to Porto in 2010. Although Porto paid for 100% of Moutinho's rights, they sold 37.5% of them in October of that year to the investor for €4.2m before, in August 2011, buying back 22.5% of them.

The investor's 15% entitled him to a cut of the fee and, under Premier League rules, which forbid third party ownership, he had to be bought out at the Porto end before the deal could be ratified. In the frantic moments before midnight, the clubs could not reach agreement, with sources close to Tottenham saying that Porto went back on the previously signed deal sheet to demand a higher fee.

Another of the complications regarded Moutinho's personal terms and, when his demand for a bigger salary was met, Porto used the notion that Tottenham valued him more highly to drive up the fee.

And confirmed by the man himself that we had agreed everything and he was all ready to join us i.e. nothing to do with Levy refusing to pay up:
(from https://www.skysports.com/football/...-moutinho-minutes-from-tottenham-move-in-2012)

The Portugal international, who is preparing to face Spurs in the Champions League at Wembley on Wednesday evening , was in London on Deadline Day in 2012 after Spurs agreed a £24m deal with Porto.

But the paperwork for the deal was not submitted to the Premier League in time and the then 25-year-old returned to Portugal before signing for Monaco 12 months later.

"It's true I was a few minutes from signing for Spurs," he said. "Here I am at Monaco and the focus is on putting in a performance to help us through to the next stage of the Champions League."

I'll take that apology now

 

[buckley]

I would like to suggest that some of these anti Levy people have been going on to the Harry Hotspur site and have been suckered in by his anti Levy rhetoric and by the way he is not only anti Levy he is anti Spurs big time .

 

['O Zio]

I would like to suggest that some of these anti Levy people have been going on to the Harry Hotspur site and have been suckered in by his anti Levy rhetoric and by the way he is not only anti Levy he is anti Spurs big time .

The guy's a fucking tool

 

[buckley]

The trouble is there are some dumb people that think we should be spending money on players like Mancity do and like Chelsea do .
As these two clubs have limitless funds and no need to balance the books then that is unrealistic as for Man unt they had twenty five years of unrivalled success in this country which made them the richest club in the world and earned them the right to spend massive amounts of money.The other big spenders Liverpool got a large windfall on the sale of Suarez and courthino and so spent this money much like we did with Bale.
Well we spend what we make and our spending stands up to all other clubs besides those I have mentioned.
So you have a chairman who has built for the safety and future of this club a new training ground ;a new club shop a new stadium; upgraded all the property around the stadium .
I for one have no doubt that once everything is up and running and the xtra cash comes in he will spend it .
I just don't get "the guy is a fucking tool"statement and like I said stop signing in to Harry Hotspur because you are the type of "fucking tool ""thats spawned by that site.

 

[pffft]

@buckley

I think you may have misunderstand @'O Zio s post. He was calling Harry Hotspur a tool.

 

['O Zio]

The trouble is there are some dumb people that think we should be spending money on players like Mancity do and like Chelsea do .
As these two clubs have limitless funds and no need to balance the books then that is unrealistic as for Man unt they had twenty five years of unrivalled success in this country which made them the richest club in the world and earned them the right to spend massive amounts of money.The other big spenders Liverpool got a large windfall on the sale of Suarez and courthino and so spent this money much like we did with Bale.
Well we spend what we make and our spending stands up to all other clubs besides those I have mentioned.
So you have a chairman who has built for the safety and future of this club a new training ground ;a new club shop a new stadium; upgraded all the property around the stadium .
I for one have no doubt that once everything is up and running and the xtra cash comes in he will spend it .
I just don't get "the guy is a fucking tool"statement and like I said stop signing in to Harry Hotspur because you are the type of "fucking tool ""thats spawned by that site.

I meant Harry Hotspur is a fucking tool. I'm in 100% agreement with you re Levy.

Thanks for calling me a tool though, it's got my weekend off to a good start anyway

 

[buckley]

So sorry I cannot apologise enough ; once again I'm not happy with myself for all I said.

 

[LionCity]

I'm curious, did you go and watch any games live under AVB?
It was painful.

I attempt to blanked those days from my memory, dire times. What's followed is a contrast

 

[buckley]

I would like to point out that there are quite a few that follow Harry Hotspur and think he talks sense .
I think this site is where most of the anti levy people form therir views from.
He is a fucking tool and either WestHam or Chelsea or Arsenal I feel.
He is definitely not a spurs supporter and supporter is the operative word.

 

[dannythomas]

I don’t understand the basic reasoning as to how Levy “ destroyed “ what AVB has created. To the best of my recollection when Bale was sold we invested in Chiriches, Capoue, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Lamela and Eriksen. Out of those 7 , only Eriksen has proved to be a great buy and it is only several years after AVB left that Lamela has finally started to come good. The first 4 were total failures and the inconsistent Chadli could only be deemed an ok signing because he was cheap . Is AVB saying that he didn’t want any of those players ? Maybe he should have resigned then .

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don’t understand the basic reasoning as to how Levy “ destroyed “ what AVB has created. To the best of my recollection when Bale was sold we invested in Chiriches, Capoue, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Lamela and Eriksen. Out of those 7 , only Eriksen has proved to be a great buy and it is only several years after AVB left that Lamela has finally started to come good. The first 4 were total failures and the inconsistent Chadli could only be deemed an ok signing because he was cheap . Is AVB saying that he didn’t want any of those players ? Maybe he should have resigned then .

Thing is, at the time those players were great buys on paper. Eriksen was one of the best up and coming talents in the world, a genuine wonder kid. Lamela had broken into the Argentina side and just enjoyed a superb season for Roma. Capoue had a very good reputation, far more celebrated than Ndombele is now for instance, as the top midfield talent still in France. Chadli was great for Twente, looked great in the champions league and had played brilliantly against us. Soldado consistently scored 1 in 2 in Spain for half a decade. Paulinho was a starting midfielder for Brazil.

Granted I had no clue about Chiriches.

Chadli, by the way, in Pochettino’s first season, was one of our best players. Pre Dele it was him, Eriksen and Lamela as our AM3 behind Kane and his goals, assists and flair were a pleasure to watch in 2014/15. Had a great understanding with Kane too.

 

[RichieS]

Thing is, at the time those players were great buys on paper. Eriksen was one of the best up and coming talents in the world, a genuine wonder kid. Lamela had broken into the Argentina side and just enjoyed a superb season for Roma. Capoue had a very good reputation, far more celebrated than Ndombele is now for instance, as the top midfield talent still in France. Chadli was great for Twente, looked great in the champions league and had played brilliantly against us. Soldado consistently scored 1 in 2 in Spain for half a decade. Paulinho was a starting midfielder for Brazil.

Granted I had no clue about Chiriches.

Chadli, by the way, in Pochettino’s first season, was one of our best players. Pre Dele it was him, Eriksen and Lamela as our AM3 behind Kane and his goals, assists and flair were a pleasure to watch in 2014/15. Had a great understanding with Kane too.

I will never forget watching Chadli, Kane and Eriksen rip Chelsea apart.

 

[jurgen]

The trouble is there are some dumb people that think we should be spending money on players like Mancity do and like Chelsea do .
As these two clubs have limitless funds and no need to balance the books then that is unrealistic as for Man unt they had twenty five years of unrivalled success in this country which made them the richest club in the world and earned them the right to spend massive amounts of money.The other big spenders Liverpool got a large windfall on the sale of Suarez and courthino and so spent this money much like we did with Bale.
Well we spend what we make and our spending stands up to all other clubs besides those I have mentioned.
So you have a chairman who has built for the safety and future of this club a new training ground ;a new club shop a new stadium; upgraded all the property around the stadium .
I for one have no doubt that once everything is up and running and the xtra cash comes in he will spend it .
I just don't get "the guy is a fucking tool"statement and like I said stop signing in to Harry Hotspur because you are the type of "fucking tool ""thats spawned by that site.

I know its just a standard 'simplistic' BSoDL line you are trotting out, but I really don't think most people truly expect us to compete with Man City or Chelsea, or even Utd and Liverpool in the spending stakes. Maybe there are some posters that believe that, but I'm not sure that's actually true outside of your imagination.

However, we are a rich club in the grand scheme of things, and so it is surprising, even given the (non-altruistic) spending on things like a club shop to hoover up more money from the meat sacks, that we can find no funds whatsoever to reinforce the squad, especially as we regularly trumpet new endorsements and sponsorships.

But anyway. The AVB debacle was a happy ending once the man-god Poch had arrived and the human turd Sherwood had been flushed.

 

[buckley]

Well if it my imagination why is it that almost every other post is moaning at the lack of not buying the worlds best players which to any sane person is not realistic.
If anybody is using there imagination it is you my friend for thinking there are only but a few that advocates mega spending of money we do no possess ; trust me they are rife .

 

[Mr-T]

I remember how cack useless AVB was at Chelski, with all that mega money to buy whoever he wanted.

My heart proper sank when he was announced at Spurs, never felt so pessimistic about a manager - even the gooner in a raincoat.

 

[Khilari]

Hadn't realised that AVB had been appointed as the Marseille coach. Will be interesting to see what he does there.

 

[parj]

I'm curious, did you go and watch any games live under AVB?
It was painful.

First season wasnt that painful when Dembele and Sandro were destroying teams. Second season was terrible

 

[WiganSpur]

Thought what he did in the 12/13 season has been underestimated. Yes, Bale was good, but he also set the team up to let him do his thing better than Redknapp did.

We beat City, Liverpool, Arsenal and United, and did develop a back bone rarely seen before.

The 13/14 season was total ass though.

He was a good coach.

Nowhere near as good as Poch, but he got a lot out of what he had that first season especially after being fucked over by the board with the key component, the Modric replacement.

We had Bale yes. But people forget the rest of our team. Livermore, Dempsey, Sigurdsson, Dawson, Adebayor. Naughton was very regularly playing left back. Parker was half the player after his injury that summer and Sandro got injured half way through the season to never be the same player.

The football may have been uninspiring, but you have to respect the points tally under those circumstances. We also churned out some great performances against Arsenal and City at WHL.

It's difficult to know who was the blame for the following season. It's hard to know if AVB, Baldini, Levy or other scouts were responsible for acquiring some of the players. Even so, there were a couple of decent ones in Chadli, Eriksen etc.

I don't think the problem was the individuals as such but more the number of players and the fact they were all from foreign leagues. With a world class player leaving and also having to deal with a squad not gelled then looking back you can see why things were difficult.

He also had to contend with injuries. In his last game when Liverpool spanked us our defence was wait for it:

Naughton Capoue Dawson Walker

Despite the low confidence, he should have been allowed to see out the season at least. Especially when fucking Sherwood was the alternative. Who knows, things might have improved once the players started to get used to each other and play as a team. The players respected him on the most part, you could see that when Sherwood arrived and Lloris and Vertonghen began making noises about leaving. They know a decent coach when they see one.

I suppose though had it not been for his sacking then we wouldn't have seen Sherwood and therefore Poch on the back of it. But that's obviously from accident rather than design.