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Was he actually sacked?

Gedson100

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Despite everyone reporting he was sacked, I think Andre had had enough and no longer wanted to carry on.

Gabriele Marcotti reports this:
As I understand it, even after the heavy defeat to Manchester City (6-0 on Nov. 24), the club believed that Villas-Boas remained the best option. They felt he showed last season that he could play a brand of football that was both entertaining and effective. The main reservations had to do with his personality and his reaction to adversity: his references to "hidden agendas" (even if they exist, it's generally not a good idea to discuss them in public), his bust-up with the medical staff and some strained personal relationships.

Still, the feeling was that he would steer his way out of it. That it was part of a learning curve for a man who -- lest we forget -- only turned 36 in October and whose coaching experience is limited to 45 months as a head coach and a decade as an advance scout.

By Sunday night that feeling was wavering, but it was still there. Before being shut out by Liverpool, Spurs had won four of five games, and the other was a draw against Manchester United. Yes, they had been awful against Liverpool, and much of it was down to Villas-Boas in terms of team selection and tactical approach. But maybe it was just another blip.
Besides, there was no obvious Plan B. Parting ways with a manager midseason means either you go with an interim boss while you pursue the guy you really want, or you settle for the best available option out there. But as you might imagine, most managers worth having are currently employed, and prying them loose midseason is expensive and difficult. Which means the "best available permanent option" often isn't great or, in any case, isn't not a better option than Villas-Boas.

That was the mindset heading into Tottenham's postmortem summit meeting Sunday night. When the meeting was over, the mindset had changed. And by the time they reconvened again Monday morning, it was more about managing Villas-Boas' exit.

So what happened between the final whistle on Sunday and the announcement Monday at 11 a.m. London time?

Parting ways with Villas-Boas was a big decision for Spurs. Now they face more.
We don't know. But every indication is that something did happen, something that convinced Tottenham that cutting Villas-Boas loose was the right decision. It's hard to explain otherwise, not least because there isn't an instant upgrade out there who is free to join immediately. But mostly because for all of Tottenham's ills -- and three truly wretched performances against Man City, West Ham and Liverpool -- there are only five clubs ahead of them in the table. And fourth place is just five points way.


The club's statement:

The Club can announce that agreement has been reached with Head Coach, Andre Villas-Boas, for the termination of his services. The decision was by mutual consent and in the interests of all parties.

No Levy quotes, no explanation
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Compare to Redknapp's departure:

The Club can today announce that Harry Redknapp will be leaving his post as manager
Chairman Daniel Levy commented, "This is not a decision the Board and I have taken lightly.

Or Ramos:
A statement from Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy on Sunday read: "I have made (an) important judgement call and in doing so I have taken some very difficult decisions.
Or Jol:
"For me, Martin and Chris's departure is regrettable," said chairman Daniel Levy.

Very different wording for the previous 3 manager departures. Make of it what you will.

I've been a fan of Andre and I even felt we'd beat Liverpool and beat them well yesterday.
After watching that dismal performance, I knew that Andre's time was up; I get the feeling he did too, he's not a stupid man, and knew that what was in store for him would be more pressure from inside the club an absolute slaying in the press, more pressure, more stress. Only months after Ian Holloway fell on his sword and got the hell out of Bronx, I feel the same may have happened here.

We seem to have no concrete plans for replacements, we appear to have been left without a clear plan.
I think Levy would have let him carry on, hoping that the results would solidify and that a review could be carried out in the summer, results permitting.

As it is, Andre has gone; we're not his problem any more; his stress is now nil, his life is no longer Tottenham.
Whoever takes over long term needs our support and not the sniping that followed Villas Boas around from day one. That can't have helped and plenty never liked him. Now he's gone, we need to hope for a good decision & remember, if you're agreeing with Alan Sugar, you are part of the problem, not the solution. ;)
 

Gedson100

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'Course he was sacked. He was facking useless, no goals, no clue, couldn't pick a team, what happened to my beloved Spurs?'
:)
 

Gedson100

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Didn't he say after the game yesterday he wouldn't walk away

He never told the truth to the press.
His demeanour was that of a broken man, and sometimes you just know when it's time.
Yesterday was the last straw and I think he knew it.
 

hellava_tough

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25393936

Asked if his job was safe, Villas-Boas said: "That decision is not mine.

"I won't resign and I'm not a quitter. The only thing I can do is work hard with the players to try and get the results that we all want."

I was thinking of that interview too

However, he have slept on it, spoken to his wife, family, friends and thought "Fuck it - I need to regroup my thoughts, have a rest and start again at a different club"

Who knows?
 

Mouse!

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I feel quite sorry for AVB. I feel like since his spell at Chelsea he has been damaged goods. Too much pressure not to fail again. I expected him to be a strong character who would take no prisoners but I wonder now if that was all an act. He wouldn't take any risks. He looked like a broken man yesterday, something that is never nice to see. I wish him the best of luck in the future, think he could be a good manager eventually. Just needs to grow up a bit, not let things get to him, and trust the people he works with a little more.
 

mpickard2087

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Yep said a few times now that AVB looked a fed up, broken man towards the end of the game yesterday. I think he had probably had enough (has been noticeably tetchy for weeks now) and felt it wasn't working out, and although the board may have made the first move towards getting rid in my opinion he didn't put up a fight to stay... If that makes sense.
 

Gedson100

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Yep said a few times now that AVB looked a fed up, broken man towards the end of the game yesterday. I think he had probably had enough (has been noticeably tetchy for weeks now) and felt it wasn't working out, and although the board may have made the first move towards getting rid in my opinion he didn't put up a fight to stay... If that makes sense.
Levy: 'Andre...'
Andre: 'Where do you need me to sign, Dan?'

Interesting that SSN reported that he spent the day at the training ground and left at 4pm.
Not quite a 'clear your desk and fuck off' scenario. Far more civil.
 

spurs-r-us

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Maybe it's one of those FM situations where you start losing games, and the moral goes low and a few players think 'your relationship has broken down', then you win some before capitulating again and remembering that there's other ways to pass your night and you resign, save and quit.

I hope he made a back up file for when he wakes up in the morning.
 

Gedson100

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From Jason Burt's write up:

There was no common ground between André Villas-Boas and Daniel Levy as they met briefly after Tottenham Hotspur's 5-0 humiliation at home against Liverpool. And there had to be if they were to continue. Both men were hurt and as Levy sought answers, Villas-Boas bristled.

The conversation turned to whether Spurs could employ two strikers, for example, and Villas-Boas interpreted this as a suggestion that he should play Emmanuel Adebayor who he wanted out of the club, who had been a source of friction and who has been a crushing disappointment, despite being the highest earner. The conversation was not constructive.

Quickly the decision was taken to reconvene yesterday morning and, shortly after 10am, Villas-Boas and Levy decided that the time was right for the head coach to go. Technically he was not sacked and, in truth, the sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over. He and Levy have never been, according to a source close to the Portuguese, a “dynamic duo”. By the end the relationship between the pair was ever more remote; it was not a meeting of minds.
 

Gedson100

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Picking up one thing from that Burt article, why is Levy asking Andre whether he can play 2 strikers?

WTF?
 

camaj

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If he wasn't sacked then I forgive Levy. If he was sacked then Levy had better have an amazing manager lined up because I'll be pissed if we sacked AVB only to bring back Hoddle. If he wasn't sacked then we're screwed right now because we'll either panic and take the first person available or this will drag out and the season will be lost.
 
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Gedson100

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If he wasn't sacked then I forgive Levy. If he was sacked then Levy had better have an amazing manager lined up because I'll be pissed if we sacked AVB only to bring back Hoddle.

This is kinda important.

Loads of people going round today laying into Levy, calling for his head etc. The media singularly reporting that he's 'sacked' the coach.

IT MIGHT NOT BE HIS FAULT.
 

camaj

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This is kinda important.

Loads of people going round today laying into Levy, calling for his head etc. The media singularly reporting that he's 'sacked' the coach.

IT MIGHT NOT BE HIS FAULT.

But it probably is. It's bad either way.
 

lillywhites61

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I have the feeling he wasn't sacked, pressure can do funny things, AVB has had to deal with vast amounts of it for pretty much his whole time in England! Maybe he sat and discussed with levy how he felt and both just decided it was time for him to go, AVB looked like a man with the worlds problems on his shoulders after the Liverpool game, with a camera thrust in your face and pride at stake you will say things like "I'm no quitter" but after a night contemplating with your family you may decide to try and take away the pressure and go start again I would imagine somewhere like Portugal where he can re build. I actually think levy has had the job done for him this time, all he had to do was agree.
 
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