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We need to sort out the central midfield

mikeeegreen

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I'm a firm believer that a game is won and lost in the Midfield. Over the last few seasons I've heard a lot of Spurs fans start complaining about systems and how we should "go 4-4 Fakinnn -2" when things don't seem to be going our way in terms of results.

Simply put, this is not the answer.

Having 5 in midfield is a must for me in this day and age, and we all know that Pochettino's 4-2-3-1 formation works a treat. We've seen outstanding evidence of that at Southampton.

What he needs though, is the right players.

OK, it's evident we need a new striker and some additional attacking mids/wingers/inside forwards. Although, for me, it's central midfield that still provides the biggest issue.

The truth of it is, you can have some of the best attacking mids or world class striker at your disposal, but it makes no difference whatsoever if you cannot move the ball quick enough from defence to attack.

I know it's been mentioned many, many times before... but our biggest failings in the last few years is not really even attempting to replace Luka Modric. Yes, I know that you can't just simply "go out and buy another Modric", it's practically impossible this day and age without spending an absolute fortune (which is something we are not going to do) but we desperately need a different type of central midfielder. Last night's performance showed that with Mason's introduction the game changed and our attacking players became more mobile and alive. The truth is, players like Soldado, Lamela, Chadli etc would be much more productive if they had this sort of player operating behind them. The reason for so much angst and frustration amongst the White Hart Lane faithful is because of our slow, pedestrian, predictable play. If this was the main focus and fully addressed come January (more likely to be next summer if anything) then I can guarantee a much more positive performance. It's quite clear to see why Pochettino wanted Schneiderlin, he made his system work, he made his system tick, all because his transitional play from defence to attack was excellent.

All in all, I think we need to find another central midfielder with these main qualities. Granted, we haven't seen enough of Stambouli too know much about him. I just think it's clearer more than ever now that we need this type of player. It's been 3 managers now and our lack of urgency and ideas have all been the same. For me, the best thing to do is sell Paulinho and one other of our central midfielders, and go all out and bring in a forward thinking/forward passing/intelligent player for this position. IT HAS TO BE THE PRIORITY.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Not a priority IMO (as we still need a LWF and Striker more) but I completely agree with you.
 

bat-chain

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Totally.

We don't have a central midfielder who sits deep and sets the tempo with quick creative passes. Schneiderlin is the answer though even he isn't as creative as someone like Modric.

Mason or Carroll are our best bets from within the squad, Bentaleb too given time.

The other thing that hit me yesterday relating to this is that we need a player from deep who can take the ball facing his own goal and turn and pass forwards. It's all about the being able to turn quickly with the ball while marked, we have a severe lack of that in our group.
 

mikeeegreen

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Totally.

We don't have a central midfielder who sits deep and sets the tempo with quick creative passes. Schneiderlin is the answer though even he isn't as creative as someone like Modric.

Mason or Carroll are our best bets from within the squad, Bentaleb too given time.

The other thing that hit me yesterday relating to this is that we need a player from deep who can take the ball facing his own goal and turn and pass forwards. It's all about the being able to turn quickly with the ball while marked, we have a severe lack of that in our group.

Agree, although personally I think Bentaleb plays too many sideways and backwards balls. He is far too "safe".

Our other midfield options in Dembele, Capoue and Paulinho especially (We don't know enough about Stambouli yet, he might need more time, but Mason provided a much better outlet the moment he came on) just aren't intelligent enough. All take too long on the ball and are very slow. Along with his injury problems, it's the main reason Sandro was sold.
 

gregga

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Was thinking last night I might be starting to miss Hudd.

At least he offered something different, and he's certainly better than Bentaleb.
 

mikeeegreen

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Not a priority IMO (as we still need a LWF and Striker more) but I completely agree with you.

In terms of LWF I'd love J-Rod. He didn't sign the new contract offered to him so it's clear he is open to the idea of a move. He would be perfect for us IMO. He possesses all the quality we need for that role and could rotate with Chadli. It would improve both, because they would be fighting it out for that spot.

Unfortunately I see him going to Man City in January. They need a home grown player, would offer more money to the saints and he would probably prefer the move there. The sad thing is, I actually think they could benefit from getting him. IMO they need someone like him out wide. All arrows just point to Manchester on this one for me... Since Negredo was loaned out they even have his favourite number 9 shirt available...
 

al_pacino

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I know it's been mentioned many, many times before... but our biggest failings in the last few years is not really even attempting to replace Luka Modric.

Said the exact same thing to my brother last night. How we can sign all the midfielders we have and not get someone close to the Modric characteristics is bordering on criminal.

Not a priority IMO (as we still need a LWF and Striker more) but I completely agree with you.

Whoever we have in the final third will struggle with slow ball. Every time our attacking players get it they are faced with 2 banks of 4, we need a sharp passer to get them the ball before defences form up.
 

mikeeegreen

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Question is... who would be a reasonable, realistic and obtainable target?
 

yido_number1

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Question is... who would be a reasonable, realistic and obtainable target?

There aren't many Modric's out there, I think that is the main problem. For now it would be great to see Mason given a bit more of a shot playing with Capoue or Stambouli. After last night Poch can't fail to of been impressed. Shame we couldn't of got Alonso from Madrid, would been perfect for us.
 

Bowlesinho

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100% agree with this. Bale was incredible but I'd take Modric back over Bale everyday of the week.

Mason showed the difference in having someone in CM who would pass forward. I've banged on about this in other threads but I would love to see Eriksen play a deeper CM role.

----Stam---Eriksen----
Towns----Lam----Chad
---------Sol----------
 

mikeeegreen

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There aren't many Modric's out there, I think that is the main problem. For now it would be great to see Mason given a bit more of a shot playing with Capoue or Stambouli. After last night Poch can't fail to of been impressed. Shame we couldn't of got Alonso from Madrid, would been perfect for us.

I hear you, there isn't much about. I too would like to see Mason get more game time to show what he is about.

In terms of realistically bringing in a player that possesses those much needed qualities but are also obtainable, how about: Jordie Clasie, James Ward-Prowse or go in for Schneiderlin again? (Even though I think he will move to a bigger club. We missed our chance IMO) There is always Yohan Cabaye? He doesn't play all the time at PSG, but his wages probably make him out of the question.
 

mikeeegreen

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100% agree with this. Bale was incredible but I'd take Modric back over Bale everyday of the week.

Mason showed the difference in having someone in CM who would pass forward. I've banged on about this in other threads but I would love to see Eriksen play a deeper CM role.

----Stam---Eriksen----
Towns----Lam----Chad
---------Sol----------

I too would take Modric back over Bale.

I don't think Eriksen can play that role, he just isn't built for it. He is clearly an attacking player. I don't doubt Pochettino's intelligence and I think if he could paly there, he would have stated in that position by now.

I think we need to bring in a player 100% natural to that position, who can go straight in and make the difference.
 

mill

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Banega and badelj are 2 other options available over the summer just gone,cheap as well, neither's peferfect but more in the style that we need. I think we've bought poorly over the last couple of years. Said at the time paulinho wasn't the type of player we needed
 

yido_number1

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I hear you, there isn't much about. I too would like to see Mason get more game time to show what he is about.

In terms of realistically bringing in a player that possesses those much needed qualities but are also obtainable, how about: Jordie Clasie, James Ward-Prowse or go in for Schneiderlin again? (Even though I think he will move to a bigger club. We missed our chance IMO) There is always Yohan Cabaye? He doesn't play all the time at PSG, but his wages probably make him out of the question.

I think Schneiderlin is the dream ticket JWP just got injured and seems to play further forward, Cabaye would be too expensive. Having only seen Mason once in a competitive game I am massively knee jerking but it was enough to make me want ot see him play over Dembele. I think dembele is better suited laying further up and on the wing where he can dribble more and get more shots off... In midfield he is too slow and when he beats a player it has limited impact.
 

DiamondLites

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Trouble is after being spoilt with likes of Carrick and Modric controlling our tempo, 2 world class operators in that regard, replacing them with ready made replacements was nigh on impossible and thus it proved. Moutinho was as close to it as we came but the reasons why that deal never came off is all cloak and dagger conspiracy stuff. We had high hopes Carroll could fill the void but as yet hasn't proved he can handle the physical side required. I hope Mason gets a shot as we desperately need this type of midfielder to get the best out of our talented crop of AMs. I would even be tempted to go to a 4-3-3 and sacrifice one of the 3 AMs (on form you'd have to say Eriksen) in order to to try and rectify the age old tempo problem. It's almost redundant playing the 3 in behind if they are dropping so deep to get the ball in the first place
 

mikeeegreen

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I think this position is the most important one in football IMO. It's how games are won and lost. Let's take a look at the evidence...

Chelsea have taken that next step and in some ways have become a "complete team" all of this is not down to Costa (even though I think he is a brilliant player, everything you want from a centre forward) it's largely down to Fabregas. Chelsea, last season and the one before were like us in that they could not break teams down. They lacked that incisive pass in the centre of the park. They addressed that and now they are absolutely flying. The last piece of the jigsaw. I'm envious of my friends who are Chelsea fans right now, some of the football they get to watch is breath-taking.

A lot of people are surprised that Southampton have continued to perform so well. I'm not. The truth is, players like Lallana, Lovren, Shaw are replaceable. IMO they kept there best player in Schneiderlin. He makes everything tick.

A lot of us are surprised why Sigurdsson is doing so well at Swansea. Again, I'm not. He is re-discovering the form he had when he was with them on loan a few seasons ago. He has the likes of Shelvey providing that early ball into him, which brings out the best in him. Shelvey might not be the best player, but at least he provides you with that option.

If we had any of these sorts of players I think we would be in a different situation to what we are in now. I strongly believe that.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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I think mason should be given a crack next to stambouli or capoue. He really did look like the only player in white who was capable of playing forward passes.

Good performances should result in playing time in my opinion.
 

stemark44

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The thing with Modric is that he doesn't really play long passes,his work consists mostly of getting the ball dropping a shoulder and taking the ball forward before passing it .
We lack pace in midfield and someone who can run past an opponent.
In January if we do make a change then we need to get someone in who has Premier league experience.
We won't be able to afford Schneiderlin now so I would buy Fabien Delph from Villa.
 
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