Match Threads West Ham vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 24

[dbspurs]

Unfortunately it is just a case of sucking it up until the end of the season but he could help matters by binning Dier and Sanchez as a partnership. One is bad enough but two is asking for trouble.

It's the same in midfield with Winks and Sissoko.

We need 2 top CB's even if we buy nobody else. If we don't get them then we are going to see a similar season next year no matter who is in charge.

 

[bubble07]

If we had Pope Tarkowski Mee we would keep clean sheets. Embarrssing to think Burnley have a better collective trio than us

 

[bubble07]

Unfortunately it is just a case of sucking it up until the end of the season but he could help matters by binning Dier and Sanchez as a partnership. One is bad enough but two is asking for trouble.

It's the same in midfield with Winks and Sissoko.

We need 2 top CB's even if we buy nobody else. If we don't get them then we are going to see a similar season next year no matter who is in charge.

Agree except the notable difference being every sissoko winks fuck up isn't immediately punished

 

[anydange]

I would say we're in the bottom 5/6 of the league in terms of CB pairings. Three out of the four are definitely not Prem quality.

 

[shelfmonkey]

This is one of those scenarios where we will feel 'what could have been'

Isn't this the scenario EVERY season?!!

 

[C0YS]

I think we need better players so that the manager can do his job properly, we are pretty low on confidence right now and are being let down by individuals, people wanted Jose to play on the front foot which we are now but surprised how bad our defence are which was always going to be exposed, I mean what exactly were you expecting? The Everton match was a massive clue.

I'm sorry, but the defensive issues are not entirely separate from coaching and they are interlinked. Nor is lack of confidence not interlinked with management. I mean it is possible he turns it around but it's simplistic to say the manager is prevented from doing his job because of the low quality of player. This would be fine, if we were, say, on midtable form, we are not. In 12 games we have 3 wins 2 draws 7 losses, that's 11 points in 12 games, which is 35 points a season, relegation form, and about half of the point total we should be aiming for as a minimum. It's not acceptable with the team we have, even the defenders we have. What's worse is the three teams we beat were two promoted sides and the bottom team in the table.

The players are underperforming, it's a major part of a managers job to fix that, I don't buy this excuse that we need new players to do a proper job, maybe for CL ok that can pass, maybe even, at a stretch, to finish 6th, but the form we are in is beyond that.

 

[jondy1]

Didn't get to see the game today, so I can't comment on the way we played etc.

But I'm confused. A few weeks ago we had quite a few on here stating that they'd be much happier if they saw us with some attacking intent, even if we lost more. Well I've checked the Premier League website who show that we dominated every measurable stat except the final score. They had 4 shots, all on target, we had 20 with 7 on target. We dominated possession almost 70/30, had more corners, better territory, better xG, better everything except goals

Yet those same people who claimed they'd be happy to see this kind of attacking intent, even if we lost, are the ones on here screaming once again for the managers head.

Surely you must be happy now? He's doing exactly what you wanted isn't he?

I mean, God forbid there could ever be an agenda here...

Except yours

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

We are a lie of a football club, we aren't big we're fucking small. Cmon the O's

 

[SonicSarr]

I think you mean consequential perhaps? But now we’re getting into semantics.

No anti-semantics in here I can assure you ?

 

[nico97531]

Exactly, even if Dele fucks up 90pcnt of the things he tries he'll still create big chances. He grew up in a high possession Poch side where that's totally worth it. Mourinho ball just isn't working for him. Fuck Mourinhoball

I am sorry, I must have miss the big chances he created today as all I saw was the times he lost the ball.

 

[rupsmith]

I'm not defending the players at all because I would happily have half of them fuck off, but does anyone actually look at those West Ham defenders and think they're better than ours? I think it's pretty obvious that they're benefiting from a well coached, drilled defensive structure, which is exactly what Moyes is paid to do.

Do you not think he would love to have Skriniar or another top defender as much as Mourinho would? As any manager would? You can only work with what you have, some don't have the luxury to keep spending millions on a new backline.

Thats the issue. When we were parking 10 behind the ball like West Ham did today, people criticised him forJose football. When he started pushing further ahead and the gaps in defence started appearing then it’s “not well drilled“. This same defence got Poch sacked. And is it just me or has Lloris become a wreck. He stays on his line and simply lets things past. Cost us Liverpool, Everton, City and i think could have done better to claim the first one today

 

[Ionman34]

Except yours

Eh?
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

 

[bern]

Adrian Durham will be spouting off about us Monday saying we are doomed. Trouble is he will be right.

 

[bsinghd]

No European footy next season. Our piss poor defenders and regular moments of stupidity means there’s no way we’ll finish above 8th position. Cant see us win the league cup or getting past last 16 in Europa either, again because we have players who can’t do the basics and are too stupid to be coached to improve.

 

[rossdapep]

I meant specifically with Bale and having a player of this quality on loan.

Cause If we change coach in the summer it's likely Bale will be gone and we didn't take advantage of it.

We won't have a player like that again for many years.

 

[SonicSarr]

This is one of those scenarios where we will feel 'what could have been'

I do think Jose has mis-managed him. He should've been getting on the pitch every game, just to allow him to get sharp and push himself. He'd get 60 mins vs Stoke and then not play any return mins in the league - players can't just magically turn it on.


Now he's been trusted more frequently, he's showing his class and we've desperately needed that edge recently yet we haven't taken advantage of it at all. If we'd had this Bale earlier when we were operating with a defensive plan, I feel we'd have got more moments from him to carry us forward. instead he spent most of the time on the bench whilst we squeezed out a 1-0 win.

He'd have been ready for the new year and the second half of the season like most expected.

I have a feeling Levy is not happy with this either as he didn't bring Bale back to sit and wait for game time. His vision would have been Kane, Son & Bale with Alli floating. Yet we have rarely seen that. You could defend it if we were 3rd and results were good but in that time we've dropped to 9th and are losing most weeks.

Levy as caretaker manager until the end of the season it is then!

 

[hughy]

I wouldn't play either of them again. I'd play Rodon and Tanganga or one of them with Toby. Lingard comes in for Moura.

It was a joke, I was suggesting he'd be better than our centre-halves. Nevermind.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I think we need better players so that the manager can do his job properly, we are pretty low on confidence right now and are being let down by individuals, people wanted Jose to play on the front foot which we are now but surprised how bad our defence are which was always going to be exposed, I mean what exactly were you expecting? The Everton match was a massive clue.

Jose's forte is the defensive side of the game, he's failed miserably! What we NEED is a better, up with the times manager!!

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

Toby and Rodon is the way to go

THIS. ALL DAY LONG.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

We actually paid £70m for Sanchez and Sissoko.