What do we think of Poch?

[slartibartfast]

Was it? We struggled to get through to the final of the C1C even though our second team played in the FA Cup. If our players were tired after playing on Saturday as well, we really could have fucked up against Sheffield United.

Yes, it was

 

[seanwhite1961]

Sorry what?

Rose was shit last season, has been fantastic this season.

He hasn't put Dier in the U21 side like many people predicted.

He's had the balls to make Mason a main starter (deservedly)

Bentaleb is now a key player and a starter

Dembele's looking more effective as a CAM

Eriksen is starting to do better than last season

Lamela certainly looks better than last season

Chadli's been banging in goals even though many people wrote him off last season

Even Paulinho looked good against West Brom

He's made Kane our key player and has developed him massively. How on earth can't you see this? He's better in every single aspect by a mile compared to last season. He's also now our no.1 Striker, whereas he was probably no.2 by the end of Tim's reign.

I have no idea how you can justify your opinion.

You're just surfing the wave of beneficial results. How can you not see this?

Rose: Player of the year at Sunderland. Some fans suggested they should be willing to pay £10m for him. Until this last month, I've seen relentless forum slagging of him.

Dier: I never saw any of these predictions. At 20, and with his experience and pedigree, it sounds like shite hawks.

Mason: As I stated.

Bentaleb: Do you remember Sherwood? Not the forest.

Eriksen: A further year. See Modric for that.

Lamela: Well, he's available this season.

Chadli: Not unknown and v Benfica last season clear how he could be a goal threat

Paulinho: Dreadful first half v WBA. Totally peripheral. Did make some good tackles 2nd half.

Kane: You're kidding right? Fans screaming out for Kane to start PL games and left on the bench. He even got sidelined for Ade v SU at home!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Bentaleb? Was already playing.
Chadli and Eriksen were always going to be starting 11.

Sherwood dropped Bentaleb for one reason or another last season, but now he is a key part of our team.

Chadli was going to be starting 11, but there was no guarantee that he would play as well as he has done.

 

[Lappi]

I like him a lot. Aside from what everyone else has said, i shouldn't be forgotten that we basically haven't bought a single proper first team player for him, pretty much only youth or back up options (Davies being borderline), depsite having a squad that last season looked extremely dysfunctional. Not only has he not complained about it, it doesn't even seem like it bothers him that much.

We were a bit sketchy at the start of his tenure, but of course it's going to take a while getting used to the players, and getting them used to his system. These things don't happen overnight, unless you get really lucky. So, yeah, good man. I'm a fan

 

[THFCSPURS19]

You're just surfing the wave of beneficial results. How can you not see this?

Rose: Player of the year at Sunderland. Some fans suggested they should be willing to pay £10m for him. Until this last month, I've seen relentless forum slagging of him.

Dier: I never saw any of these predictions. At 20, and with his experience and pedigree, it sounds like shite hawks.

Mason: As I stated.

Bentaleb: Do you remember Sherwood? Not the forest.

Eriksen: A further year. See Modric for that.

Lamela: Well, he's available this season.

Chadli: Not unknown and v Benfica last season clear how he could be a goal threat

Paulinho: Dreadful first half v WBA. Totally peripheral. Did make some good tackles 2nd half.

Kane: You're kidding right? Fans screaming out for Kane to start PL games and left on the bench. He even got sidelined for Ade v SU at home!

Rose- He was shit for a lot of last season.

Dier- I did see these predictions

Bentaleb- As I said above, Sherwood eventually dropped him but now he is a guaranteed starter

Eriksen- You can't just put everything down to him being here for another season. He works so much harder than last season, that's down to Pochettino, not to him playing his second PL season.

Lamela- Still better than last season and presses extremely well- also down to Poch.

Chadli- Just because someone shows to be goal threat in one game last season, it doesn't mean that Pochettino takes no credit or hasn't developed him. The Chelsea game showed how, like many other players, he is beginning to work a lot harder for the team.

Paulinho- Meh.

Kane- This one is ridiculous. So Kane didn't start some games when he should have in the Premier League. What on earth does that have to do with him not developing? Of course Kane takes a lot of the credit, but Pochettino should get a lot as well. Kane played 90 minutes against Sheffield United as well. If you honestly can't see that Kane has developed as a player, or you can't see that Pochettino has strongly contributed to this development then...well... I don't know what to say.

 

[seanwhite1961]

Sherwood dropped Bentaleb for one reason or another last season, but now he is a key part of our team.

Chadli was going to be starting 11, but there was no guarantee that he would play as well as he has done.

Or, and this is key, he was rotating.

Chadli wasn't going to be starting 11, no more than anyone from that Super 7, apart from Eriksen. That's hindsight.

 

[jambreck]

Developing players? Apart from promoting Mason, seen little of that. Kane was being excluded when even I thought he had to be starting PL games. Putting Ade back in and sidelining Kane v Sheff Utd was a dreadful decision.

His style, such as we saw at Southampton, suits us. High pressing, quick tempo, attacking from all angles. Only in the past month or so has it really began to materialise.

The next 6 fixtures will inform us greatly.

It was just rotation. Managing the resources.

If Kane were to start every game, he'd burn out or get injured.

 

[seanwhite1961]

Rose- He was shit for a lot of last season.

Dier- I did see these predictions

Bentaleb- As I said above, Sherwood eventually dropped him but now he is a guaranteed starter

Eriksen- You can't just put everything down to him being here for another season. He works so much harder than last season, that's down to Pochettino, not to him playing his second PL season.

Lamela- Still better than last season and presses extremely well- also down to Poch.

Chadli- Just because someone shows to be goal threat in one game last season, it doesn't mean that Pochettino takes no credit or hasn't developed him. The Chelsea game showed how, like many other players, he is beginning to work a lot harder for the team.

Paulinho- Meh.

Kane- This one is ridiculous. So Kane didn't start some games when he should have in the Premier League. What on earth does that have to do with him not developing? Of course Kane takes a lot of the credit, but Pochettino should get a lot as well. Kane played 90 minutes against Sheffield United as well. If you honestly can't see that Kane has developed as a player, or you can't see that Pochettino has strongly contributed to this development then...well... I don't know what to say.

You have no idea what is due to Poch or what is not. The emphasis is on you to prove the former. What were you posting back in November, with a succession of terrible home displays and results? I can guess.

Results are generally positive so you attribute it to the manager. When they turn, you will be negative.

Your judgement on Kane is utterly ridiculous. Kane seems to have developed due to himself. If it was down to Poch, why didn't he play him right from the start in PL games? The answer is he didn't think he was good enough. In fact, he used him in EL games and then, seemingly reluctantly, eventually played him.

To be fair, I didn't think Kane was good enough, but then I don't pretend to have aspirations to manage in the PL!

Oh, and the Dier predictions - was it Adebayor's mom that you saw them from!

 

[seanwhite1961]

It was just rotation. Managing the resources.

If Kane were to start every game, he'd burn out or get injured.

Clearly not rotation as Kane started!

Doh!

 

[jambreck]

You have no idea what is due to Poch or what is not. The emphasis is on you to prove the former. What were you posting back in November, with a succession of terrible home displays and results? I can guess.

Results are generally positive so you attribute it to the manager. When they turn, you will be negative.

Your judgement on Kane is utterly ridiculous. Kane seems to have developed due to himself. If it was down to Poch, why didn't he play him right from the start in PL games? The answer is he didn't think he was good enough. In fact, he used him in EL games and then, seemingly reluctantly, eventually played him.

To be fair, I didn't think Kane was good enough, but then I don't pretend to have aspirations to manage in the PL!

Seemingly to you, perhaps.

 

[jambreck]

Clearly not rotation as Kane started!

Doh!

Doh indeed!

Nevertheless, the general point still stands. Kane can't play every minute of every game. He needs to be rested from time to time.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

You have no idea what is due to Poch or what is not. The emphasis is on you to prove the former. What were you posting back in November, with a succession of terrible home displays and results? I can guess.

Results are generally positive so you attribute it to the manager. When they turn, you will be negative.

Oh be quiet. I've been a huge supporter of Pochettino and got extremely angry on here when I saw knee-jerking idiots wanting him out. I knew there would be bad times, I'm not fickle so my support has never ever decreased.

 

[Roynie]

For me the telling aspects of his managership are that at during the summer TW many on here were saying we could get rid of most of the squad except 10 or 12 players. After the season started the team either weren't fit enough or didn't get Poch's system, maybe a bit of both. There was no real heart to the team, no Spurs ethos. Then gradually things improved, he brought Bentaleb back in, brought Mason through, got Rose playing better then eventually brought Kane into the PL side. They also started getting his ideas and continued to improve their fitness. The first real evidence of this was the Everton game at the end of November which, for me, was a watershed. Prior to that game we had won three and lost three including 2 at home. We had a better away record than home record. Against Everton we went behind very quickly, but unlike other games came back strongly and by half time were one up. We fought hard and secured the win and the fans were behind the team because they worked hard.

Since then we have continued improving and although there is still room for considerable improvement yet we are heading in the right direction. I like that Poch is bringing youngsters through as they have the hunger for success and will work hard for it. Having been at the club through the academy they understand what it's about and the fans will support them provided they try hard and put in the effort.

So, all in all, I think he has done very well so far. I don't expect any trophy's this year, I think the fixtures are against us for the Wembly final. Provided we see certain players go in the summer and just one or two top players come in, a striker and a CB, then I see us shaking things up next season.

 

[Spurger King]

Probably a small and inconsequential observation, but during our game against West Brom there was a break in the game and a couple of our players went over to the dugout to get some water. The camera focused on Pochettino and showed him clenching both his fists and basically gesturing in a "come on let's finish them" sort of way.

I didn't mind AVB, but every time he got within earshot of a player he was giving them instructions. I think giving players visual encouragement and showing some passion shows belief in the players and says more than a thousand words.

I hate micro-management, and it was good to see some simple expressive energy instead. Sounds daft but it made me warm to Pochettino a lot.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Best to judge after 18 months I think.

I wouldn't argue against that as good as the signs currently are. The vomit inducing thing about it is that those who were moaning like stuck pigs about him after only a few games are conspicuously quiet. For now. We're only two bad results away from it happening again.

 

[Mr Pink]

I wouldn't argue against that as good as the signs currently are. The vomit inducing thing about it is that those who were moaning like stuck pigs about him after only a few games are conspicuously quiet. For now. We're only two bad results away from it happening again.

Yep. Two narrow defeats, even if the performances are decent enough, and they'll be flying out of the woodwork.

 

[sundanceyid10]

I like him and its time to stick by a manager and let him build a team a culture and style of play.

 

[Khilari]

I think Pochettino is a decent manager. He did a very good job at Southampton, but we see now that they did in fact have a very good squad and an extremely good set up.

Like most managers, he needs luck as well as talent to make a success of his time at Spurs. Luck with injuries, form, transfers and chances.

He clearly has a vision; a vision of what being a successful professional footballer entails and of how to blend youth and experience.

He's done ok I think. Ok given the transfer turmoil of the summer before, the fact that out net spend is so low, the fact that he's yet another new face in charge. Players can lose confidence if they don't think you'll be around for very long.

We are now starting to look much better as a team, but are well off a top 4 slot in terms of results and consistency but despite that, are in touching distance. If our performances keep improving throughout the year, who knows what might happen?!

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Can genuinely improve players through coaching

Good point.

Kane, Chadli, Eriksen, Mason and Bentaleb have come on leaps and bounds this season. Given what he achieved with Southampton's younger players it really doesn't seem like a coincidence.

 

[seanwhite1961]

Oh be quiet. I've been a huge supporter of Pochettino and got extremely angry on here when I saw knee-jerking idiots wanting him out. I knew there would be bad times, I'm not fickle so my support has never ever decreased.

You might consider the irony of stating "be quiet" on a forum. It's the opinions, stupid!

I do remember being rampantly slated for my views on the inadequacies of Gomes on this forum. All those eejits have no doubt "moved on" or similar.

It seems the bottom 10% of feeders, or tweenies, inhabit this forum. Ten second memories and views that take even less to consider.