What game will we be out of reach against Woolwich?

[StartingPrice]

So to clarify you think it is done but you think it is possible that Arsenal could finish above us?

I understand that this is a fine distinction for you to make, but I made an analysis of how I saw things panning out, I didn't make a statement of absolute fact, so, like all such statements of opinion, it is possible to be wrong.

But as I tried to explain, in simpler and simpler langauge to TSH, as that analysis including a comparative of the remaining games for us and the Goons, and we haven't played those games yet, nor has the season finished, it is impossible to state that that opinion was either right or wrong. But it remains possible that it was right, and we will finish above them, just as it remains possible that it was wrong and we won't finish above them. I never, anywhere, said it wasn't possible for them to finish above us...I merely stated my opinion that we will finish above them.

So, I hope that, simply, answers your question...'cos it ain't that difficult, really.

 

[Mullers]

I understand that this is a fine distinction for you to make, but I made an analysis of how I saw things panning out, I didn't make a statement of absolute fact, so, like all such statements of opinion, it is possible to be wrong.

But as I tried to explain, in simpler and simpler langauge to TSH, as that analysis including a comparative of the remaining games for us and the Goons, and we haven't played those games yet, nor has the season finished, it is impossible to state that that opinion was either right or wrong. But it remains possible that it was right, and we will finish above them, just as it remains possible that it was wrong and we won't finish above them. I never, anywhere, said it wasn't possible for them to finish above us...I merely stated my opinion that we will finish above them.

So, I hope that, simply, answers your question...'cos it ain't that difficult, really.

So yes you believe that us finishing above Arsenal is done but you believe that they could still finish above us.
That was the clarification of your opinion I was seeking.
Thank you.

 

[Spurger King]

This thread really needs a Stoof 'done' stamp.

 

[mil1lion]

 

[Mullers]

This thread really needs a Stoof 'done' stamp.

:lol:

 

[StartingPrice]

So yes you believe that us finishing above Arsenal is done but you believe that they could still finish above us.
That was the clarification of your opinion I was seeking.
Thank you.

No.
That's not it at all.
Do you really struggle to read a text so much?

I stated an opinion, which could be wrong, several weeks ago, that I thought we were in a position were we should finish above the Goons. Obviously that was an opinion, and so could be wrong.
It has been proven neither right nor wrong.

Obviously, because it was only an opinion, of course it could be wrong. Therefore I didn't, at any point, say I believed it was done, but that my opinion was that we had done enough that it should at a future point be done.

That is not difficult to understand.

So, just for clarification (as you are claiming that is what you want) - I never, at any stage said that it was definitively done because that would require the EPL to close off at that precise moment, and I am aware that wasn't going to happen (who would :roll.

Like I said: bunch of little nerds on here, almost willing us to lose games so they can jumpup and say 'ner ner ner ner ner ner - you were wrong' (even though, as I have explained several times, I couldn't actually be proven wrong until the season was over).

 

[Spurger King]

I'm pretty sure everyone would be much happier if you were correct in your opinion SP.

 

[Kendall]

SP is mental :lol:

 

[Mullers]

No.
That's not it at all.
Do you really struggle to read a text so much?

I stated an opinion, which could be wrong, several weeks ago, that I thought we were in a position were we should finish above the Goons. Obviously that was an opinion, and so could be wrong.
It has been proven neither right nor wrong.

Obviously, because it was only an opinion, of course it could be wrong. Therefore I didn't, at any point, say I believed it was done, but that my opinion was that we had done enough that it should at a future point be done.

That is not difficult to understand.

So, just for clarification (as you are claiming that is what you want) - I never, at any stage said that it was definitively done because that would require the EPL to close off at that precise moment, and I am aware that wasn't going to happen (who would :roll.

Like I said: bunch of little nerds on here, almost willing us to lose games so they can jumpup and say 'ner ner ner ner ner ner - you were wrong' (even though, as I have explained several times, I couldn't actually be proven wrong until the season was over).

So what you believe/believed is we have done enough to finish above Arsenal? Correct?

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm pretty sure everyone would be much happier if you were correct in your opinion SP.

Not so sure...I think some of th folk in here wallow in misery. They have become so accustomed to it that they fear anything else. Some even deny any other alternative.

I'm sure you know the name of that syndrome, Spurg...



...it's called being a twat :wink:

SP is mental :lol:

Hey, Kendull...how are you?

 

[StartingPrice]

So what you believe/believed is we have done enough to finish above Arsenal? Correct?

Close to it...but significantly different to saying it is closed off and finished and done.

Why all this obsessional focus on me, anyway (I know it's not love, in your case, Mullers :wink - quite a few folk held the same opinion which, after all, has not been proven wrong, yet.

In essence, I never said the Goons wouldn't get close to us, or even overtake us, briefly at some stage. What I said was that the points advantage and our easier run-in, even if we stuttered during our tough run, should be enough for us to finish above th Goons.

Obviously, as explained simply, for simple folk, this was an opinion, finite in time, that could be wrong, and which I will willingly admit to having been wrong when the season is over, if we haven't finished above the Goons.

But that is significantly different to declaring that it has been proven wrong NOW, when there are 10 games to go, and we could well gain more points in the run-in than the Goons.

Simple.

 

[Kendall]

Not so sure...I think some of th folk in here wallow in misery. They have become so accustomed to it that they fear anything else. Some even deny any other alternative.

I'm sure you know the name of that syndrome, Spurg...



...it's called being a twat :wink:



Hey, Kendull...how are you?

Better than tha by the looks of it. :lol:

 

[Mullers]

Close to it...but significantly different to saying it is closed off and finished and done.

Why all this obsessional focus on me, anyway (I know it's not love, in your case, Mullers :wink - quite a few folk held the same opinion which, after all, has not been proven wrong, yet.

In essence, I never said the Goons wouldn't get close to us, or even overtake us, briefly at some stage. What I said was that the points advantage and our easier run-in, even if we stuttered during our tough run, should be enough for us to finish above th Goons.

Obviously, as explained simply, for simple folk, this was an opinion, finite in time, that could be wrong, and which I will willingly admit to having been wrong when the season is over, if we haven't finished above the Goons.

But that is significantly different to declaring that it has been proven wrong NOW, when there are 10 games to go, and we could well gain more points in the run-in than the Goons.

Simple.

There is no obsession just wanted clarification, that's it. You keep stated it is an opinion but I never suggested otherwise.

Ok so you believe that our points advantage and easier run in is enough to finish above Arsenal and you never said it was done.

Correct?

 

[StartingPrice]

Better than tha by the looks of it. :lol:

Not so, good Pard'Ner...I'm good to go :grin:

There is no obsession just wanted clarification, that's it. You keep stated it is an opinion but I never suggested otherwise.

Ok so you believe that our points advantage and easier run in is enough to finish above Arsenal and you never said it was done.

Correct?

Not you, individually, the way this thread has turned :wink:

You never suggested it wasn't my opinion, but you inherited the debate and seemed, to al intents-and-purposes, to be inheriting lock, stock and barrel.

Not believe, I stated that as an opinion at a set moment in time - we are, at present, waiting to see how that plays out. The Goons winning at Anfield, in paricular, (who could have seen that coming, right), and our loss at Goodison (I really thought we'd win that - you could say we should have), may make that opinion a little shaky-looking - but that is entirely with hindsight. None of us knew any of this when at that moment in time, all we knew was that we had a big points gap, were in great form, and had an easier run-in. So, at that moment in time, I had the opinion that we had done enough to win the race for third - and, as I hae said repeatedly, this has yet to be disproven.

As I said, knowing the EPl wasn't goint to be closed off at that precise moment it would have been silly to have said it as an established fact. And, obviously, no matter what myself or anyone else said about our advantage, it was, of course, possible, even then, for the Goons to finish above us. We were talking on the level of probablities - my opinion, at that precise moment was that the probability of the Goons finishing above us was considerably less than 50/50. Clear.

 

[Mullers]

Not so, good Pard'Ner...I'm good to go :grin:



Not you, individually, the way this thread has turned :wink:

You never suggested it wasn't my opinion, but you inherited the debate and seemed, to al intents-and-purposes, to be inheriting lock, stock and barrel.

Not believe, I stated that as an opinion at a set moment in time - we are, at present, waiting to see how that plays out. The Goons winning at Anfield, in paricular, (who could have seen that coming, right), and our loss at Goodison (I really thought we'd win that - you could say we should have), may make that opinion a little shaky-looking - but that is entirely with hindsight. None of us knew any of this when at that moment in time, all we knew was that we had a big points gap, were in great form, and had an easier run-in. So, at that moment in time, I had the opinion that we had done enough to win the race for third - and, as I hae said repeatedly, this has yet to be disproven.

As I said, knowing the EPl wasn't goint to be closed off at that precise moment it would have been silly to have said it as an established fact. And, obviously, no matter what myself or anyone else said about our advantage, it was, of course, possible, even then, for the Goons to finish above us. We were talking on the level of probablities - my opinion, at that precise moment was that the probability of the Goons finishing above us was considerably less than 50/50. Clear.

Yep.
You had the opinion we have done enough to get 3rd place and you still have that opinion today because you have not been disproven.

 

[Spurger King]

Not believe, I stated that as an opinion at a set moment in time - we are, at present, waiting to see how that plays out. The Goons winning at Anfield, in paricular, (who could have seen that coming, right), and our loss at Goodison (I really thought we'd win that - you could say we should have), may make that opinion a little shaky-looking - but that is entirely with hindsight. None of us knew any of this when at that moment in time, all we knew was that we had a big points gap, were in great form, and had an easier run-in. So, at that moment in time, I had the opinion that we had done enough to win the race for third - and, as I hae said repeatedly, this has yet to be disproven.

As I said, knowing the EPl wasn't goint to be closed off at that precise moment it would have been silly to have said it as an established fact. And, obviously, no matter what myself or anyone else said about our advantage, it was, of course, possible, even then, for the Goons to finish above us. We were talking on the level of probablities - my opinion, at that precise moment was that the probability of the Goons finishing above us was considerably less than 50/50. Clear.

I think that's your clearest explanation so far.

I thought it was 'done' a few games ago. It's still possible that the buffer we created will see us over the finish line. For a long time I just wanted to be in or around the 4th spot by the time we've finished this tricky patch at Stamford Bridge. Right now we're doing better than I predicted.

I'd be far more confident if it wasn't for the psychological beating the players have taken recently. Hopefully we can win on Saturday and get the season back on track.

 

[DixieNormous]

I think that's your shortest explanation so far.

thats better

so were agreed then. the word done doesnt actually mean done.

 

[AngerManagement]

No.
That's not it at all.
Do you really struggle to read a text so much?

I stated an opinion, which could be wrong, several weeks ago, that I thought we were in a position were we should finish above the Goons. Obviously that was an opinion, and so could be wrong.
It has been proven neither right nor wrong.

Obviously, because it was only an opinion, of course it could be wrong. Therefore I didn't, at any point, say I believed it was done, but that my opinion was that we had done enough that it should at a future point be done.

That is not difficult to understand.

So, just for clarification (as you are claiming that is what you want) - I never, at any stage said that it was definitively done because that would require the EPL to close off at that precise moment, and I am aware that wasn't going to happen (who would :roll.

Like I said: bunch of little nerds on here, almost willing us to lose games so they can jumpup and say 'ner ner ner ner ner ner - you were wrong' (even though, as I have explained several times, I couldn't actually be proven wrong until the season was over).

SP do you really have to be so stubborn all the time? are you never prepared to hold your hands up and just admit when you are wrong?

We all make statements from time to time that we believe to be true and later get proved wrong.

You made a statement that you thought the race between us and Arsenal to finish highest in the league was already done, they were dismissed as challengers to us in the league at that time and you were looking up to the manchester clubs and not even considering the possibility that Arsenal could over take us.

That being said we may well still beat Arsenal to third, its nip and tuck with them now.....but that clearly isn't what you said, you said it was already done and in essence you stated that they were not a threat to us so the fact they are now but a point behind us and trading blow for blow with us proves you got that one wrong.

I don't see how you even have an argument to make, it was an opinion you had at the time which has been proven to be wrong and perhaps suggest you over looked arsenal or over rated us (or a bit of both)

I don't know why you always feel to try to prove you are right, or not wrong in some way even when it is obvious you were not. Seriously, you are clearly a very intelligent and articulate man who is knowledgeable about football and our club, one of my favourite posters on here no doubt, but I feel you let yourself down sometimes with your lack of humility and inability to admit when you are wrong (or could be wrong) or to not have the last word every time.

Is it really that hard to just say "yes I thought Arsenal were no longer a threat to us and I did not foresee this run of results happening to bring Arsenal back to us"? or words to that effect.

 

[StartingPrice]

SP do you really have to be so stubborn all the time? are you never prepared to hold your hands up and just admit when you are wrong?

We all make statements from time to time that we believe to be true and later get proved wrong.

You made a statement that you thought the race between us and Arsenal to finish highest in the league was already done, they were dismissed as challengers to us in the league at that time and you were looking up to the manchester clubs and not even considering the possibility that Arsenal could over take us.

That being said we may well still beat Arsenal to third, its nip and tuck with them now.....but that clearly isn't what you said, you said it was already done and in essence you stated that they were not a threat to us so the fact they are now but a point behind us and trading blow for blow with us proves you got that one wrong.

I don't see how you even have an argument to make, it was an opinion you had at the time which has been proven to be wrong and perhaps suggest you over looked arsenal or over rated us (or a bit of both)

I don't know why you always feel to try to prove you are right, or not wrong in some way even when it is obvious you were not. Seriously, you are clearly a very intelligent and articulate man who is knowledgeable about football and our club, one of my favourite posters on here no doubt, but I feel you let yourself down sometimes with your lack of humility and inability to admit when you are wrong (or could be wrong) or to not have the last word every time.

Is it really that hard to just say "yes I thought Arsenal were no longer a threat to us and I did not foresee this run of results happening to bring Arsenal back to us"? or words to that effect.

I haven't been proven wrong.
We've just debated this at length.
I stated an opinion, at t precise moment in time.
It took into account the respective run-ins of us and the Goons. So, obviously, it cannot be proven or disproven. OBVIOUSLY.
I have stated, above, that if it proves at the end of the season that I was wrong, then I will willingly hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Not difficult to understand, is it?

Honestly, there are folk far more stubborn than me, on here. I have, in the past, honestly held my hands up if I genuinely believed I had got something wrong. I think your issue is that we have had two lengthy debates, recently, where I absolutely could not see (and still cannot see) that you have been right and me wrong. From that perspective, I can just as easily ask you why you have to be so stubborn all the time and not admit when you are wrong. OBVIOUSLY.

Now, do you have the intellect (sorry to put it so starkly), to understand that I stated an opinion based on how the season would finish, and not how it would be with 10 games to go, and I absolutely 100% do not see how I can be proven either right or wrong at this stage. Indeed, I find it unfathonable that any of even rudimentary intelligence should be demanding that I acknowledge that I have been proven wrong when the season isn't even over.

I have gone out of my way to explain SEVERAL TIMES that I never anywhere said the Goons wouldn't closer the gap, and that I even stated at one stage that I could see them temporarily overtaking us - but that given the points gap and the comparative run-ins, my opinion was that we would finish third. Are the run-ins completed - NO.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

SP admitting he was wrong methodology:

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