I have lost track now, so are you saying, you're not wrong? or that at this moment in time, you're not right either?? :shrug: Or both??
What game will we be out of reach against Woolwich?
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I have lost track now, so are you saying, you're not wrong? or that at this moment in time, you're not right either?? :shrug: Or both??
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:clap: THIS
BC admitting he's wrong <INSERT TUMBLEWEED> becuase he never does, he just goes quiet :razz:
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I'm going to lock this because this thread is done.
Well, actually, what I mean is, i'm going to wait a few posts because at this moment in time it looks done and therefore i'm not sure wether this thread is actually done or not.
I might be right and the thread is done, but I might be wrong and it isn't.
So, to be clear, this thread is done right now. But it might not actually be done and when its really actually done as in done i'll let you all know. If it isn't done, then i'm probably right there too.
In fact, come to think of it, i'm right if its done and i'm right if it isn't done. Because done is only done when all's said and done.
So.......we're done. 'kay?
Well, actually, what I mean is, i'm going to wait a few posts because at this moment in time it looks done and therefore i'm not sure wether this thread is actually done or not.
I might be right and the thread is done, but I might be wrong and it isn't.
So, to be clear, this thread is done right now. But it might not actually be done and when its really actually done as in done i'll let you all know. If it isn't done, then i'm probably right there too.
In fact, come to think of it, i'm right if its done and i'm right if it isn't done. Because done is only done when all's said and done.
So.......we're done. 'kay?
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Hey, it's not my fault you are not far enough along the evolutionary scale to understand linear time :razz:
This thread is going to be visited WITH A VENGEANCE if we finish above the Goons :wink:
Actually, it probably won't, because, no doubt, the MODS who seem to be colluding in this monumental witch-hunt intelligence fail, will lock it.
One more time: I can only be right or wrong at the end of the season :roll:
What I am saying is, is that you believe that you are right. Regardless of whether you can only be proven right or wrong at the end the season.
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Okay SP you have now gone into the realms of speaking platinum grade bullshit on this one.
1. Your argument style of questioning everyone's intelligence just because they disagree with you is wearing very thin. In this thread you have said that people are 'prize plums' 'lacking in intelligence' 'twats' and 'neanderthals' just because they think you are wrong. Yes you may say that it is all in jest but you can only hide behind that defence for so long. You have been given alot more rope than most on SC when it comes to insulting people. Be careful you don't hang yourself with it.
2. A Mod witch-hunt? Really? So if anyone else disagrees with you they are thick, and if a mod disagrees with you it's a witch-hunt? Get over yourself :grin: We have much better things to do than organising ourselves to collectively make your internet life a misery, and as I've said above you've been given more chances than most so then creating conspiracy theories about how you are treated seems a tad daft.
3. If we finish above Arsenal it doesn't change one iota the fact that you were wrong when you said it was 'done'. You know that. I know that. Everyone else in this thread seems to know that. Arsenal have done better than you thought they would. We haven't done as well as you thought we would. As a result the race for 3rd is alot closer than you thought it would be therefore there is alot of work still to do to finish above them. Therefore in pretty much every sense of the word it is not, and was not, 'done'.
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If we're going to survive this we need to work together as a team. Right now we're playing into Wenger's hands. This is what he wants us to do. Divide and conquer, that's his game. Turning yid against yid, dog against dog. No maann not on my watch.
You wanna know how to get Wenger? He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Tottenham way. And that's how you get Wenger.
You wanna know how to get Wenger? He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Tottenham way. And that's how you get Wenger.
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No.
If I am wrong I am wrong, I have no problems with that.
What I am saying is I will either be right or wrong at the end of the season.
:rofl:
Ooooooh, it's the Fat Controller, it's Mr Intellect, whose going to put me in my place...despite the fact that he patently didn't put me in my place :roll:
What makes me laugh is that, having just reviewed the thread, it is clear to me that you have never actually read any of the lengthy, and generally good humoured posts I have made, explaining why I do not agree with you, nor have you answered any of the questions I have asked you, whereas I have went out of my way to systematically answer all of your questions. Maybe that is because you have arrogated, in a typically arrogant way, the position of being the one to ask the questions. Now I call that INSULTING. If you want to actually compare your intellect to mine you are going to ahve to go back and read those posts and answer those questions. Rather than ignoring them completely because they don't suit your rather one-dimensional arguing style, or the particular point you are consipuously failing to make.
It's funny that, you thinking, subjectively, that I am talking Platinum Grade BS (but I am the only one doing the insults :shrug
, because I think you are talking Platinum level BS.I stated an opinion, which, as I havea stated over and over again was based on WHERE WE WOULD FINISH IN RELATION TO THE GOONS.
I made it clear (LIKE, FECKING CLEAR), that this was based upon an analysis of the games in the run-in.
I made it clear (LIKE, FECKING CLEAR), that I had never anywhere said that the gap wouldn't close at all.
Simple...even for folk of relatively limited intellect - hey, if you can't understand that, you draw your own conclusions.
You (LIKE, YOU, NOONE ELSE, YOU, NO ONE FORCED YOU, YOU) said I had been proven wrong because the Goons had closed the gap a bit. I explained, in total good humour, that I could neither been proven right or wrong until the finishing positions are established.
Instead of accepting that in good part, you have gone on and on and on and on :sleepy: (in what seemed to me to be a feeble effort on your part to demonstrate your not-picking skills).
It didn't work, because you have never demonstrated to me how it is that although I stated an opinion based on our relative finishing positions and taking into account the relative run-ins, I had actually been proven wrong at this stage - other than that you got that wrong and just will not accept it.
1) I really don't give a monkey's whether you think my argument style is wearing thin. I did, absolutely, begin this in good part, and the frequent references to Prize Plums was meant totally as a joke, in fact I thought it was self-evident. The same with the Neanderthal neanderthalis quips - wasn't intended as an insult, just to highlight the fact that only primitive humanoids struggle to uderstand the wrokings on linear time, and you seem to be so struggling. When season over right or wrong :doh:
But, if it's any consolation to you
roll I actually think your arguemntative style is pathetic and childish. You are apparently basing yourself on Frost (from Drost/Nixon - judging by your username) and think you are relentlessly pursuing a point, but the fact is that you were initially wrong in saying that I had been proven to be wrong because my opinion was based on WHERE WE WOULD FINISH AT THE END OF THE SEASON. I think it is sad that you have never reconciled yourself to that. I only ever, ever, question anyone's intelligence when what I am saying is self-evident and I have patiently repeated it several times. It is evident that I cannot be proven right or wrong until the season is finished because I never said that we would be above the Goons by 10 points with 10 games to go, but did say that with our points gap and easier run-in we, in my opinion, we would finish above them at the end of the season. Hey, draw your own conclusions from that.
Ooohhh, I made a joke about folk dabbling in misery using the word twat - ban me.
2) I can't recall, anywhere, saying anyone who disagrees with me is thick. What I can remember, as per 1, above, saying, is that if anyone who can't understand a very basic thing, even after I have explained it patiently several times, must be somewhat lacking in intellect. This is one of those things. I formed my opinion based on the gap we had and the comparative run-ins. Have we had the run-ins - NO. Therefore, anyone who cannot understand that I will neither be proven right or wrong until all the games have been played and we have seen the final standing, is, frankly, not very intelligent. Hey, if the shoe fits - no-one forced you to say that I had been proven wrong when that was not viable, based upon the premisses I used, until the season was over. It was you that insisted on carrying arguing after making that school-boy blunder, not me.
Once again you have shown a shocking level of text comprehension ability:I didn't say there was a MOD Witch-hunt, I said that the Mods are colluding in a Witch-hunt. Can you see the difference? And why did I say that - because, frnakly, there are posters I have had issues with in the past, popping up in this thread, showing no respect for the nature of the debate, but having little pops at me, personally - not showing me to be wrong, just having pops. And what is the MOD response, a rather feeble parody of my argument. I find that, frnakly, pathetic - and this is in light of the fact that I have made it clear, recently, just how poorly the MODS have dealt with recent incidents. Don't like that - tough.
3) If we finish above the Goons, it changes totally whether I was wrong or not. Simply, as I have explained to you several times now (draw your conclusions from that), I voiced my opinion based on the sizeable gap and my comparative estimation of our mutual run-ins - I never, anywhere, said they would close the gap. IN fact, sorry for not liking being told you are stupid, but the very idea that I was saying it was DONE then and not that time would show that our gap, in conjunction with our easier run-in would see us finishing above them, is, frankly, stupid. If that was what I was saying, why didn't you (or someone else) just point out that the season wasn't over and they could mathematically finish above us, and therefore declare me wrong on the spot. I'll tell you why - because it was bloody obvious that I meant that we would finish above them. OBVIOUS! I didn't say 1 game, 2 games or whatever - did I? Go and check, eh :shrug:
See, you keep on making statements like that this, where all you seem to be saying is I am just right or I am right because I am a MOD - but when exposed to scrutiny, they do not bear up. All you have said here is that I must accept that you are right.
The Goons have done better than I thought - see, I have no difficulty whatsoever in saying so. I have done so, already, directly to you, in this thread. So, clearly, I have no difficulty whatsoever in accepting when I am wrong. What that means is that there is more likelihood that, at the end of the season, I will be proven wrong when I stated my opinion that our points gap and easier run-in would see us finishing above them. As I said several times, I will willingly admit I was wrong if we don't finish above them - sadly, you couldn't accept that, because you had to save yourself from making such a basic error.
So, finally, either show me where I said it would be wrapped up with 10 games to go, or show me where my assertion that I can either be proven right or wrong at the end of the season, is wrong or just accept you made a basic error.
And finally, I don't really care how you take this, have a little boo hoo to yourself if you like, ban me if you like, but being a Mod doesn't make you more intelligent than us mere posters. And it you don't like my manner of arguing, put me ignore - I'm sure I won't lose any sleep over it.
But I am asking you if you believe your view is right. Not whether you are either right or wrong at the end of the season.
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Of course I believe my view is right.
I have conceded in this thread where I have been wrong.
I have conceded, on other issues, elsewhere, that I have been wrong.
I have stated clearly, several times, that if my opinion transpires at the end of the season to be wrong, I will willingly come on to this very thread and say so.
This collective evidence should suggest that I have no issues with admitting I am wrong, per se.
What I have a problem with is that I made a statement based, upon other things, our easier run-in (and I have argued that our run-in is objectively easier, elsewhere - concidence :shrug
. I never set any time limit to it. I didn;t say that that meant the Goons wouldn't close the gap at all (did I?), and I didn't name a particular number of games remaining where we wuold be mathematically out of their reach - that, in itself, should point, conclusively, to the correctness of my assertions, shuoldn't it...that's just logical :shrug:I clearly wasn't saying that on the day the question was posed it was impossible for them to catch us - that would have been ludicrous, and, as I have said above, why did no-one pull me up there and then adn point out the blindingly obvious, that we could, technically, lose every game,and them win every game, so it as impossible for us to have 3rd place clinched at that precise moment. And that only leaves one interpretation - having argued frequnetly that we had an easier run-in, and suryeing our considerable points advantage, I wasn't prepared to name an exact game when we would finish above them, but I did think we would finish above them (and that our points advantage coupled with our easier run-in) allowed me to say that at that precise moment.
I really don't see how there is any other interpretation anyone could put to that, so, therefore, I really don't see how the situtaion with 10 games to go (unless it was mathematically impossibe for either team to catch the other at that early stage) can possibly proveme wrong.
And therefore, not only to I believe that I am right, but I believe very, very strongly that I am right. And I find the attitudes of certain posters in this thread very insulting.
These are the only relevant bits to me. Why didn't you just say that when I first asked the question back in post 147?
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SP whilst I would love to go through that opus and answer every point I don't really have the time or the inclination and frankly the thread should stay on topic rather than repeated 10,000 word theses on your apparent belief that the universe revolves around you and that insults are okay if you say 'just kidding' afterwards.
Just before getting back on topic though I should say that this bit particularly tickled me...
Now being as monumentally intelligent as you clearly are, I'm assuming you know the meaning of the word hypocrite...anyway.
What's the title of this thread?
"What game will we be out of reach against Woolwich?"
Your answer?
"I think it is done"
The results have proved that it isn't done. They haven't proved that we won't finish above them. But they have proved that at the time it was not done. It's a key difference and one I think you understand because you keep claiming that you said the second when you actually said the first.
Anyway I retire because Mullers has basically got you turning in circles and it's more fun to read that than argue it...plus I've got a 'let's all work out how much we can annoy SP' party to go to with all the other mods. We all take a load of sudokus and race to see who can finish first to show how intelligent we are (because as you have correctly surmised we do all think that we are better than everyone else) and then we pick through every post that you've ever made and think about ways to ban you.
It really is terrific fun.
Just before getting back on topic though I should say that this bit particularly tickled me...
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Now being as monumentally intelligent as you clearly are, I'm assuming you know the meaning of the word hypocrite...anyway.
What's the title of this thread?
"What game will we be out of reach against Woolwich?"
Your answer?
"I think it is done"
The results have proved that it isn't done. They haven't proved that we won't finish above them. But they have proved that at the time it was not done. It's a key difference and one I think you understand because you keep claiming that you said the second when you actually said the first.
Anyway I retire because Mullers has basically got you turning in circles and it's more fun to read that than argue it...plus I've got a 'let's all work out how much we can annoy SP' party to go to with all the other mods. We all take a load of sudokus and race to see who can finish first to show how intelligent we are (because as you have correctly surmised we do all think that we are better than everyone else) and then we pick through every post that you've ever made and think about ways to ban you.
It really is terrific fun.
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SP, there is merit in making your arguments succinct.
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SP is it possible for you to reply to a post without you writing a essay....:wink:
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Prepare for a long read.
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Oh, you didn't, and never, make lengthy posts.
I have shown how you, too, have been insulting - adress that - hypocrit (see, I understand very well the meaning of the word :roll
.Once again, I note, you have studiously repeated yourself, rather than considering the answers I have made and answering the qestions I have asked. A very convenient, but not very intelligent, way in to avoid adressing the fact that you were wrong.
Yes I said it is done in the sense (as I have explained several times to you) of us having a hefty poits gap together with an easier run-in, we will finish above them.
Has the season finsihed = NO.
Can we, therefore, have already finished above them = NO.
Is it valid, therefore, to consider the calculation proven correct or incorrect = NO.
So, come on, with all due respect, and trying to draw a line under this, answer these questions and answer them honestly, and bearing in mind the title of the thread, which asks posters to name a game when we will be out of reach of them:
Can you show, anywhere, where I have named a specific game when we will be out of reach of them?
Can you show, anywhere, where I have said, we will be out of reach with them with ten games to go?
Can you show, anywhere, where I have claimed that they cannot close the points gap at all, but that it would remain exactly as it was when I made the post?
Can you explain why I wasn't picked up on, then, as soon as I made the post, as the Goons could, clearly, still finish above us?
If you can answer yes to the first three, and give me a satisfactory answer to the fourth, I will concede that I am proven wrong now.
If you cannot answer the first three in the affirmative, and provide a satisfactory answer to the fourth, then will you accept that the most viable explanation is the one I have provided. In other words, I was clearly saying that, having considered the points gap, and the comparative run-ins (I have stated over and over, in several threads, that ours is easier), we would finish above them at the end of the season, but I wasn't prepared to name a particular game when we would be out of reach of them, as that could, theoretically, only be after the final whistle of the final game. And that, further, I never, anywhere, claimed that they wouldn't close the points gap, at all - indeed, I made a post, elsewhere, that it was very possible that they may temporarily overtake us, but not by that much, and that our easier run-in would see us through.
And if that is the case, would you accept that your original claim, that I had been proven wrong was inaccurate?
And, by the way, no, Mullers really isn't running rings around me. He is dong exactly what he always does, which is trying to exploit ambiguities rather than actually directly discussinfg anything. He is doing this because eevery time he tries it I explain immediately that I can see what he is doing and it isn't working. And what is more, he is ltching onto a thread where he thinks he will have plenty of allies - and that is, frankly, just cowardly. But, awwwwww, bless, he ain't half a tryer.
Because you were trying to be cute with words, as you do every so often (and you aren't really that good at it), and you asking an amibibuous question, trying to elicit a simple answer that I mean in one way (in this case, I am right in asserting that myoriginal calculation can be proven either right or wrong at the end of the season) and then putting your own interpretation onto it (i.e. that I have claimed, as a quantifiable fact, that we have already finished above the Goons).
I did you the decency of answering in full, and trying to move the conversation along, and just as TSH did, when I did the same with him, you immediately do what I know you are intending by formulating the question - try to show I am saying something contrary to what I am saying.
When you evolve, and what a proper debate rather than somewhat pathetically latching on to someone else's argument to pursue a grudge (based on being out-argued on several occasions), and engage with me rather than playing to the audience - please get back to me.
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