What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[millsey]

Does losing Kane mean our defence suddenly stops being the best in the league ?

Well it certainly does something to our confidance as a team

 

[Shadydan]

This season, already we have drawn with Sunderland, Bournemouth and Leicester City

All in a relegation battle

Last season, these teams were facing the drop; Newcastle x2, West Brom and Swansea City(though after Custis got sacked they were fine)

The season before,
Burnley, Sunderland, Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Brom under Irvine

We've also beaten Middlesbrough x2 Hull, Palace Swansea this season, they're all in a relegation battle...also Leicester weren't battling relegation when we played them.

Last season we also beat more weaker teams who we lost against as well, not really sure we need to take 2014/15 as a sample seeing as we are playing on a completely different level now compared to then.

I never said it was the norm

You implied it.

 

[easley91]

This season, already we have drawn with Sunderland, Bournemouth and Leicester City

All in a relegation battle

Last season, these teams were facing the drop; Newcastle x2, West Brom and Swansea City(though after Custis got sacked they were fine)

The season before,
Burnley, Sunderland, Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Brom under Irvine

I never said it was the norm

Sunderland and Bournemouth were away, no? Leicester is only one of two draws at WHL (all others are wins) and although they're fighting relegation now, it was early in the season as reigning champions.

 

[dudu]

Last 4 games of 2015/16 season we gained 2 points from a possible 12

Losing to Southampton and relegated Newcastle
And
Drawing with West Brom and Chelsea.

Home form against those 'little clubs' has often let us down.

True..... but our home form against little clubs put us in the position where we had a shot at the title so its probably much better than the tone of your post suggests.

 

[dudu]

Well it certainly does something to our confidance as a team

Perhaps It did something to our confidence as a team earlier in the season, perhaps not - Our form/confidence didn't feel sky high before he got injured the first time and its not like we imploded and found ourselves having slipped down the table and out of a top 4 race.

Pretty sure we smashed Man City the week after he got hurt?

You cant make such sweeping statements about something with no actual evidence to back it up regarding something that has happened once.

I mean, you can...... You are millsey after all. I just dont know how you can know that.

 

[TheChosenOne]

True..... but our home form against little clubs put us in the position where we had a shot at the title so its probably much better than the tone of your post suggests.

2012/13
Position 5th. 1 point behind Arsenal.
Drew at home with Stoke and West Brom
Lost at home to Wigan and drew away
Lost at home to Fulham.
12 points tossed
2013/14
Pos.6th 10 adrift from Arsenal
Lost to West Ham X 2
Newcastle - home loss
West Brom X 2 draws
13 points tossed
2014/15
Pos 5th 6 pts off CL
Lost at home to WBA,Stoke and Villa
Drew Palace Home
11 points tossed
2015/16
Losing twice to relegated Newcastle. Etc etc.

 

[dudu]

2012/13
Position 5th. 1 point behind Arsenal.
Drew at home with Stoke and West Brom
Lost at home to Wigan and drew away
Lost at home to Fulham.
12 points tossed
2013/14
Pos.6th 10 adrift from Arsenal
Lost to West Ham X 2
Newcastle - home loss
West Brom X 2 draws
13 points tossed
2014/15
Pos 5th 6 pts off CL
Lost at home to WBA,Stoke and Villa
Drew Palace Home
11 points tossed
2015/16
Losing twice to relegated Newcastle. Etc etc.

Personally i think the pre-Poch years aren't really relevant. Our team, ethos, everything is different regardless of which players have been with us since 2012.

We have lost 3 home games since the start of last season.

 

[millsey]

Perhaps It did something to our confidence as a team earlier in the season, perhaps not - Our form/confidence didn't feel sky high before he got injured the first time and its not like we imploded and found ourselves having slipped down the table and out of a top 4 race.

Pretty sure we smashed Man City the week after he got hurt?

You cant make such sweeping statements about something with no actual evidence to back it up regarding something that has happened once.

I mean, you can...... You are millsey after all. I just dont know how you can know that.

Well we are a better team with him.
I know that. We 'smashed' city 2 nil. Then again Leicester smashed them 4 nil

 

[beats1]

We've also beaten Middlesbrough x2 Hull, Palace Swansea this season, they're all in a relegation battle...also Leicester weren't battling relegation when we played them.

Last season we also beat more weaker teams who we lost against as well, not really sure we need to take 2014/15 as a sample seeing as we are playing on a completely different level now compared to then.



You implied it.

Once again, I said its the bottom teams that tend to be our weakness, that doesnt mean we always do shit against them nor does it mean we always lose or drop points. Against the bottom teams we should be beating them in both fixtures if you consider that we are a different level to what we were and that we are fighting for the title.

This season if you exclude the top 7 (european places) teams then we have only dropped points against Bournemouth, Sunderland, West Brom and Leicester. Bar West Brom, I think the rest of the teams are considered relegation fighting teams.

 

[millsey]

Once again, I said its the bottom teams that tend to be our weakness, that doesnt mean we always do shit against them nor does it mean we always lose or drop points. Against the bottom teams we should be beating them in both fixtures if you consider that we are a different level to what we were and that we are fighting for the title.

This season if you exclude the top 7 (european places) teams than we have only dropped points against Bournemouth, Sunderland, West Brom and Leicester. Bar West Brom, I think the rest of the teams are considered relegation fighting teams.

And guess what, Kane missed the Bournemouth, Leicester and West Brom game

 

[dudu]

Well we are a better team with him.
I know that. We 'smashed' city 2 nil. Then again Leicester smashed them 4 nil

I agree - we are definitely a better team with him in it.

And sure - the scoreline wasn't really a smashing but we destroyed them in the first half. It still probably the most impressive half of pressing football we have played this season.

 

[Mr Pink]

Another point to consider is we wernt playing 3 at the back when Kane missed those earlier games. I think we'll cope better this time around although he's still a big loss obviously.

 

[Nerine]

Anything been said of the draw on the Shed End?

 

[Sweech]

Last 4 games of 2015/16 season we gained 2 points from a possible 12

Losing to Southampton and relegated Newcastle
And
Drawing with West Brom and Chelsea.

Home form against those 'little clubs' has often let us down.

So exactly none of those 4 who were in a relegation battle who are "trying to stay up" as the original point stated...so not exactly a good point of proof there.

 

[Sweech]

Once again, I said its the bottom teams that tend to be our weakness, that doesnt mean we always do shit against them nor does it mean we always lose or drop points. Against the bottom teams we should be beating them in both fixtures if you consider that we are a different level to what we were and that we are fighting for the title.

This season if you exclude the top 7 (european places) teams then we have only dropped points against Bournemouth, Sunderland, West Brom and Leicester. Bar West Brom, I think the rest of the teams are considered relegation fighting teams.

How can you classify it as a weakness when there's more examples of us absolutely obliterating those teams than us dropping points against them?

The evidence is so clearly stacked on one end.

Not to mention it's not as if EVERY other team in this league doesn't drop points to those types of teams - they all do.

 

[noggen]

Anything been said of the draw on the Shed End?

Wrong thread, mate.

 

[ClintEastwould]

How can you classify it as a weakness when there's more examples of us absolutely obliterating those teams than us dropping points against them?

The evidence is so clearly stacked on one end.

Not to mention it's not as if EVERY other team in this league doesn't drop points to those types of teams - they all do.

Jeez, can't we just let some posters whip out tired old cliches in peace?

 

[beats1]

How can you classify it as a weakness when there's more examples of us absolutely obliterating those teams than us dropping points against them?

The evidence is so clearly stacked on one end.

Not to mention it's not as if EVERY other team in this league doesn't drop points to those types of teams - they all do.

Again if you consider us a title challenging team we should be winning all the matches against the bottom team.

I never stated that we are dropping points all the time, I simply stated we should be winning both legs against these teams and its a weakness that we dont.

Already this season we have dropped these points
Top 5 teams: 15 points dropped out of 8 games played
Middle 7: 4 points out of 10 games
Bottom 7: 6 points out of 9 games

Now its a weakness we have dropped more against the bottom 7 teams than the mid table sides, when you consider they are weaker. We should be doing better against the bottom 7 than the middle 7, whom we are destroying. We on average have one draw every 3 games against the bottom 7 whilst one draw against every 5 games played against the next 7. Of course worth noting this is a short sample size and its a better reflection at the end of the season.

Compare that to amount of points our rivals have dropped
Chelsea
Top 5 teams: 11 points out of 7 games
Middle 7: 2 points out of 9 games
Bottom 7: 2 points out of 10 games

Man City
Top 5: 11 points out of 6 games
Middle 7: 9 points out of 11 games
Bottom 7: 5 points out of 10 games

Leicester (last season):
Top 5: 16 points out of 10 games
Middle 7: 11 points out of 14 games
Bottom 7: 8 points out of 14 games

We have dropped more points than our rivals against the bottom 7 but City aren't that far behind but if we want to win the title we need to be beating the bottom 7 teams home and away. We beat sunderland away and Leicester at home and we are within 6 points of the title and matching chelsea's record against the bottom 7.

 

[TheChosenOne]

So exactly none of those 4 who were in a relegation battle who are "trying to stay up" as the original point stated...so not exactly a good point of proof there.

Newcastle were in the bottom 6 and indeed in a relegation battle in December 2015 when they came to White Hart Lane and beat Spurs on the first of two occasions during that season.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Personally i think the pre-Poch years aren't really relevant. Our team, ethos, everything is different regardless of which players have been with us since 2012.

We have lost 3 home games since the start of last season.

.. And we have drawn Eight .. 6 last season (-12 points) and two (-4 points) far this campaign.