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Lets check...what is your opinion on Colin Murray?
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Lets check...what is your opinion on Colin Murray?
This player for player comparison is pointless.
The player for player comparisons are always worth a laugh it has to be said.
Been a while that Spurs have not had one single player I'd have at United but that's where they are now, bang on average all over the pitch, they'll finish 6th at best
-If we don't buy any other CBs, I'd have Vertonghen. He is, at least, at the level of Jones and Smalling and we lack the numbers right now to play with 3 at the back.
- Be my guest.I'd rather Dawson than Vertonghen, he's an accident waiting to happen (so is Dawson tbf)
In terms of #10s in the world, I can't think of many I'd put above Mata. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any. Wouldn't put Ozil ahead of him, same level for me. Oscar isn't as good, yet. James - gotta see him at Madrid first, but he's not as good as Mata yet. Gotze - again, not yet.
Silva is probably better actually, although Mata wins in the finishing stakes.
As for World Class players it is quite simple. Spurs has none.
United, I'd say, has got one World Class player and that is Van Persie. Although, Herrera could become one and Mata is definitely thereabout.
Arsenal has got potentially two World Class players in Ozil and Sanchez, if they will live up to the tag will have to be seen coming season.
Spurs squad is still not good. Of the 40 players you've signed over the past 3-5 seasons, only a handful are worth anything. You can consider Poch a great coaching addition and say that it will give you an advantage of Manchester United, but you've conveniently forgotten that we've also improved dramatically in that department. Van Gaal, despite the excitement and hyperbole on this forum as of late, is a far more experienced, proven, and talented manager than Poch is, and Van Gaal has a better squad to work with than Spuds do.
Of the players you have available, the only I'd rate as top 4 quality are Lloris, Vertonghen, Paulinho, Eriksen. Sandro is a headless chicken in a positional/tactical sense, Capoue is a very plain footballer, Dawson, Walker, Rose, Kaboul are absolute dross. Lennon is a speed merchant and nothing else, and Townsend is a pub league player.
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I see. So Herrera "could become" world class, but the likes of Lloris, Eriksen and Lamela don't get a mention in your future potential classifications? :lol:
Eriksen maybe, but he is a bit lightweight in my opinion. Lloris and Lamela are good, but won't become World Class.
Some of the comments from Red Cafe not already posted:
As for World Class players it is quite simple. Spurs has none.
United, I'd say, has got one World Class player and that is Van Persie. Although, Herrera could become one and Mata is definitely thereabout.
Arsenal has got potentially two World Class players in Ozil and Sanchez, if they will live up to the tag will have to be seen coming season.
Dembele has been playing at 60% for a while now, due to injuries or poor form but there is no doubt he has huge quality. I'm really hoping that Pochettino can bring out the best in him.
As for being underestimated, I absolutely love it too. We are flying way under the radar this season and many are expecting us to finish 7th without even being in the discussion of the CL places for the first time in many years. The expectations of our fans also seem to be lower and hopefully that will lead to games being played without the tense negative atmosphere that seemed to engulf WHL every time we weren't at 100%. Really looking forward to a fun season.
Most of that is pretty reasonable, certainly not worthy of raucous mocking.
-There isn't anyone that United should be particularly arsed about signing from us - maybe Vertonghen and one of our ball-winning central midfielders (Dembele or Sandro?) to complement Herrera's technical qualities, but our best players all play in positions they already have covered - Eriksen/Mata, Adebayor/Van Persie, Lloris/De Gea. It's completely understandable that a United fan would look at our squad and not be particularly excited about potential signings. Carrick and Berbatov were signings they desperately needed, we don't have anyone of the highest quality in the areas where they are weak (centre back and central midfield) - Vertonghen, Dembele and Sandro would all play regularly I'm sure, but this is Manchester United we're talking about and they have millions to spend; I would fully expect them to be looking at a higher calibre of player, Champions League or no Champions League.
-Dawson ahead of Vertonghen is baffling, but he's right that Vertonghen is no less prone to a brainfart than our captain.
-Mata is definitely one of the best number 10s in the world. Rodriguez looks a superstar but he's not done it in one of the top leagues yet, he's certainly better than any of the others mentioned barring Silva and I can't think of any other obvious candidates off the top of my head. Gotze is exceptionally talented but hasn't actually done it at the highest level consistently yet (I appreciate that sounds stupid when he's just scored the winner in the World Cup final, but he's yet to carve out a consistent role with Bayern or Germany, and is currently seen as 'something different' to try from the bench for club and country).
-With the exception of Lloris we don't have a world-class player IMO, at least not by my definition (it's such a vague, unspecific phrase that it's almost pointless discussing whether players are or aren't, because everyone's definition is different). Eriksen and Lamela could potentially be good enough to play for any team in the world, Lloris is the only one that already could.
-Our squad is pretty average. A more positive spin on it would be 'well-balanced' - we don't have a Bale or a Modric any more, players that would spark the interest of the world's best clubs, but nor do we have many squad players who are clearly not good enough.
Mate read the thread itself. They mock the idea that Spurs will even be competing with them for similar finishing positions in the league next season. Apparently that is a laughable and insulting thought. We finished above them last year ffs. And no one can claim Sherwood is a better manager than Moyes.Most of that is pretty reasonable, certainly not worthy of raucous mocking.
-There isn't anyone that United should be particularly arsed about signing from us - maybe Vertonghen and one of our ball-winning central midfielders (Dembele or Sandro?) to complement Herrera's technical qualities, but our best players all play in positions they already have covered - Eriksen/Mata, Adebayor/Van Persie, Lloris/De Gea. It's completely understandable that a United fan would look at our squad and not be particularly excited about potential signings. Carrick and Berbatov were signings they desperately needed, we don't have anyone of the highest quality in the areas where they are weak (centre back and central midfield) - Vertonghen, Dembele and Sandro would all play regularly I'm sure, but this is Manchester United we're talking about and they have millions to spend; I would fully expect them to be looking at a higher calibre of player, Champions League or no Champions League.
-Dawson ahead of Vertonghen is baffling, but he's right that Vertonghen is no less prone to a brainfart than our captain.
-Mata is definitely one of the best number 10s in the world. Rodriguez looks a superstar but he's not done it in one of the top leagues yet, he's certainly better than any of the others mentioned barring Silva and I can't think of any other obvious candidates off the top of my head. Gotze is exceptionally talented but hasn't actually done it at the highest level consistently yet (I appreciate that sounds stupid when he's just scored the winner in the World Cup final, but he's yet to carve out a consistent role with Bayern or Germany, and is currently seen as 'something different' to try from the bench for club and country).
-With the exception of Lloris we don't have a world-class player IMO, at least not by my definition (it's such a vague, unspecific phrase that it's almost pointless discussing whether players are or aren't, because everyone's definition is different). Eriksen and Lamela could potentially be good enough to play for any team in the world, Lloris is the only one that already could.
-Our squad is pretty average. A more positive spin on it would be 'well-balanced' - we don't have a Bale or a Modric any more, players that would spark the interest of the world's best clubs, but nor do we have many squad players who are clearly not good enough.
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We're rivals for top 4. Which is what you'll be fighting for.
You will finish comfortably behind us and most probably out of the top 4 as well. One poor season and it's interesting to see Spurs and Scouse fans all giddy. Chelsea fans are ready to accept that United will be a force this season but fans of two teams who have finished below us almost everytime in the PL era are crowing about how they are as good/better than us. All because Moyes screwed us over last season.