What's Tim doing?

[robbiedee]

Fair play to Tim...he's turned Villa's season around. Wasn't sure he would. They're not out of the woods in terms of league and their run in isn't straight forward. I think Tim will keep them up...just. The FA Cup is interesting...everyone thought the gooners were a shoe in last season but Hull put up a good fight taking them to ET...stranger things have happened.

 

[Gbspurs]

#he's one of our owwwwwnnnnnnnn, Timmy Sherwood, he's one of our own#

 

[Chris12]

Sorry if you thought I was being subtle,I really didn't want to convey that impression.
I think even the thickest fans here can ALL see now that the problem at Spurs was the players and certainly NOT Sherwood.

Because he has done a decent job so far at Villa? Who have been under performing all season? He has done well but not exactly a miracle worker, they should (going by squad value) never been in position which they have been all of the season.

Problem at Spurs was a mixture. Timothy isn't amazing. He is good, young and will definitely become better.

 

[Lufti]

Because he has done a decent job so far at Villa? Who have been under performing all season? He has done well but not exactly a miracle worker, they should (going by squad value) never been in position which they have been all of the season.

Problem at Spurs was a mixture. Timothy isn't amazing. He is good, young and will definitely become better.

Similar to when Harry came in from Ramos and took what was actually a pretty damn good squad up the table and then reminded us for years to come that when he took over we were relegation fodder despite the fact we should have never been there in the first place. Said from the start that Tim would do well initially for Villa, but I still doubt him long term. We'll see. Goes without saying I want Villa to beat Arsenal, but the Tim love in is going to be unbearable.

 

[Insomnia]

We reached to a final too, btw.

your Father he is

 

[Mullers]

Levy will end up with massive egg on his face if Villa win the FA cup, I think he already has some egg on his face anyway with Villa reaching a second FA cup final during Levys 15 year reign, while we havent been to final for 24 years.

 

[Lufti]

Levy will end up with massive egg on his face if Villa win the FA cup, I think he already has some egg on his face anyway with Villa reaching a second FA cup final during Levys 15 year reign, while we havent been to final for 24 years.

You seem to be under the impression that a manager is solely responsible for how a team is performing. Surprisingly, some of the responsibility also lies with the players. Tim didn't get us to the FA Cup final last year, so I don't see how him getting there with Villa suddenly makes Levy the fool.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Levy will end up with massive egg on his face if Villa win the FA cup, I think he already has some egg on his face anyway with Villa reaching a second FA cup final during Levys 15 year reign, while we havent been to final for 24 years.

Reaching a domestic cup final is hardly a sturdy indicator of a manager's quality.

Maybe Levy would have been better off giving Sherwood the title that we all knew he was really acting under in the first place. Interim manager. He was never going to stay.

 

[Mullers]

You seem to be under the impression that a manager is solely responsible for how a team is performing. Surprisingly, some of the responsibility also lies with the players. Tim didn't get us to the FA Cup final last year, so I don't see how him getting there with Villa suddenly makes Levy the fool.

A manager is not soley responsible but hes the one that will be sacked if players don't perform. So he should be the main one to get credit when players do perform.
Levy got rid of a guy that got 6th place and didnt give a reason, leaving it for supporters to speculate about the reasons for tim departure. He has very little experience and managed to get Villa to their second FA cup final in 15 years, with a realistic chance of winning the whole thing.

 

[Skye Sauces]

Levy will end up with massive egg on his face if Villa win the FA cup, I think he already has some egg on his face anyway with Villa reaching a second FA cup final during Levys 15 year reign, while we havent been to final for 24 years.

Yep, just the 6 semi-final defeats!

 

[Mullers]

Reaching a domestic cup final is hardly a sturdy indicator of a manager's quality.

Maybe Levy would have been better off giving Sherwood the title that we all knew he was really acting under in the first place. Interim manager. He was never going to stay.

It is a good achievement especially for someone of very little managerial experience.

Sherwood said he wouldnt have accepted a caretaker role, Levy knew that as well.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It is a good achievement especially for someone of very little managerial experience.

Sherwood said he wouldnt have accepted a caretaker role, Levy knew that as well.

Sherwood did accept a caretaker role. What Sherwood meant was that he wouldn't accept a caretaker title. He's a savvy guy, he knew what the situation was.

It is a good achievement, without doubt. I'm not knocking it. It just doesn't prove anything about his suitability to manage Tottenham long term.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Sherwood did accept a caretaker role. What Sherwood meant was that he wouldn't accept a caretaker title. He's a savvy guy, he knew what the situation was.

It is a good achievement, without doubt. I'm not knocking it. It just doesn't prove anything about his suitability to manage Tottenham long term.

Exactly.

Whatever way Sherwood tries to spin it, he knew it was a caretaker role. I don't really understand why he has such a bee in his bonnet about it, but hopefully with the cup final coming up he'll finally have something else to talk about other than Spurs.

 

[Mullers]

Sherwood did accept a caretaker role. What Sherwood meant was that he wouldn't accept a caretaker title. He's a savvy guy, he knew what the situation was.

It is a good achievement, without doubt. I'm not knocking it. It just doesn't prove anything about his suitability to manage Tottenham long term.

He was given an 18 month contract and I think that he thought that he would have a decent chance of the whole 18 months if he could get us to perform for the rest of that season which he did do.
Now if you sack a guy that gets you 6th place, really what is being said is the next guy that comes in has to do much better than that, not worse or the same.

 

[Mr Pink]

We were outplaying Liverpool at Anfield and winning under AVB, until Walker decided to try his fuckwit hail Mary back pass.

And we were more than holding our own up there this season to.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And we were more than holding our own up there this season to.

And that was good Liverpool too, not the bad one that turned up yesterday.

 

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Sherwood did accept a caretaker role. What Sherwood meant was that he wouldn't accept a caretaker title. He's a savvy guy, he knew what the situation was.

It is a good achievement, without doubt. I'm not knocking it. It just doesn't prove anything about his suitability to manage Tottenham long term.

He was given an 18 month contract and I think that he thought that he would have a decent chance of the whole 18 months if he could get us to perform for the rest of that season which he did do.
Now if you sack a guy that gets you 6th place, really what is being said is the next guy that comes in has to do much better than that, not worse or the same.

I've been think about this since you said it, Rout-Ledge, and that perhaps makes sense. Would he have got any offers if he had only been a caretaker? Maybe. He certainly would have seen his stock rise purely from being given the title of 'manager'. He would also have perhaps known that it needed to be longer than the end of the season in order to guarantee that he'd be taken seriously if/when he left.

I guess it's the difference between being an 'acting' manager on your CV, and actually being a manager. In civvie world, not football.

I don't know why the topic keeps being steered towards this whole "why isn't Poch getting better results than Sherwood". If it's not verbatim, it's heavily implied. I don't think anyone has ever argued the case that it was a purely "football" decision, and to me it's clear that Tim's problem with us was that he was a complete Maverick.

I read a piece recently on City and Pellegrini which was interesting. It was talking about how they are potentially suffering for appeal in the global market (commercial and fan based) because he's an ageing man with very little personality, and he doesn't make anyone like the club or interested in them.
It could well be that the club felt that his media rants, sitting in the stands, throwing Gilets around and squaring up to opposing managers was either:

a) damaging to the image of the club, and/or;
b) taking the focus off the team.

I really don't think telling the board to "wake up", when you fail to deliver something you'd openly sort of promised earlier in the season, is quite the way to get a stay of execution.

I think clubs get fed up of this quite frequently, as Van Gaal, Mourinho and Holloway are examples of big personalities that have historically left a bad smell behind with their odd/abrasive behaviour in front of the cameras.

 

[stemark44]

The ONLY reason Sherwood didn't get the job on a permanent basis was not because he wasn't doing a good job or upsetting people,FFS he has admitted that Levy didn't want him to leave the club afterwards.
The guys in charge simply didn't want to hear that they had spent a fortune on a squad full of 'much of a muchness' players and thought it would be cheaper to get rid of Sherwood and give someone else a go to see how they got on.
Its a hell of a lot cheaper to downgrade Sherwood than it is to sell a dozen players at a huge loss....Uncle Joe doesn't like it.

 

[Black]

 

[prawnsandwich]

The ONLY reason Sherwood didn't get the job on a permanent basis was not because he wasn't doing a good job or upsetting people,FFS he has admitted that Levy didn't want him to leave the club afterwards.
The guys in charge simply didn't want to hear that they had spent a fortune on a squad full of 'much of a muchness' players and thought it would be cheaper to get rid of Sherwood and give someone else a go to see how they got on.
Its a hell of a lot cheaper to downgrade Sherwood than it is to sell a dozen players at a huge loss....Uncle Joe doesn't like it.

Is the correct answer.
IMO MoPo was brought in with the sole intention of trying to nursemaid Lamela.
Levy has more dough involved in this one player than a dozen Sherwoods.