When are Baldini and Levy going to cop it?

[Maske2g]

In the summer I and a handful of others were vilified because we didn't agree with what was going on at the club.

Tiger666, Stood, Bobbins and absolute bobbins were embarrassing in their condemnation of the following points I persisted with throughout August.

• Selling our best player again was an outrage. "He wants to leave bless him"
• I said that Liverpool were acting like a big club regarding Suarez. We were acting small time. Everyone on here mocked Liverpool. Last laugh and all that..
• The potential upside of selling Bale next season was huge if we invested in the side, got to the CL, and then sold him. Stadium sponsorship, CL revenue, sale of Bale and the ability to attract TOP players would have made 80 mil look like luncheon sausage. Small time, short term, rose tinted idiots wouldn't have that.
• We were were wrong not only in selling our talisman, but losing the core of the squad. I said that changing your identity too quickly posed massive risks. We may not have liked the individuals but we got 72 pts with them...
• It was extremely optimistic that 7 players would settle and gel quickly. Especially as they are either young or have had patchy careers. But no....they are all great on you tube....what could possibly go wrong...
• I said that with 8 out and 7 in and a net spend of -2m. Levy had not only pulled the wool over our eyes, but with extra TV money he pulled our pants down too. Stadium funds? Where is the fucking Stadium?
• "Baldini is a genius. Actually see results before making such statements..."
• I said that having all that dough and Danny Rose only, was a disgrace. "Oh but Vertongen can play there" yes he can. Poorly, and to the detriment of the back four by not being at CB.

The conclusion for me is this. AVB is not completely to blame here. Dawson on the left of the pair is always wrong. one footed backs on opposing flanks is always wrong. Two consistently proven mistakes over the years. He has persisted on a formation that relies on attacking full backs even though our full backs are anaemic in attack. He is not faultless by any means.


But....how about sharing the blame around a bit.

Baldinis signings have been a mixture of poor looking players like Paulinho and Chadli, to players that just dont suit us like Soldado. Chiriches has been the only consistent performer. Probably in the squad not just the new boys...

And ultimately, this shit sow comes because Levy want profit over performance. We all know ihis goal is to build a squad to keep in the league for long enough to build a ground and sell the club. And he fucks is at every chance to get it done.

Unfortunately for the rose tinted, internet geek, football manager brigade, they have been on the Dennis Hoppers and their arseholes are immune to the rogering....

 

[RuskyM]

I'm almost certain the universal reaction on here when Bale wanted to leave wasn't "d'aww."

Furthermore, if you don't think a "big club" would sell a player for £80m+, I direct your attention to Manchester United.

Also calling Paulinho average is laughable, average players aren't lauded as crucial to one of the best national pedigrees ever.

Also completely lambasting Baldini when some of his players haven't been given a kick and the others various degrees of mismanaged, underutilised and Chadli isn't fair.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I agree with the sentiment but not with how you've arrived there.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Can't disagree with much of that. Exception being that the players that have been bought have suited Avb's ideology. Can't throw Bladini to the lions, Far too many mitigating reasons as to why his signings have not been spectacular imo.

 

[Dembele'Disciple]

The OP is having a laugh surely. We sold a player who, although very good, isn't worth that sort of funds. Why do you think he alone couldve gotten us to a top 4 spot? Other teams are improving by the day, the likes of chelsea were never gonna stand for the nonsense they were seeing. Liverpool's improvement isn't just because of suarez's level, but they've spent good amounts on their team getting in very good players. They have the sort of financial muscle that we don't have unless we sell.

As for Baldini, AVB is the one that wanted him to help him in getting players into the club. Levy obliged and gave the 100mill big ones to mess about with in the market, how is it Daniels fault that they managed to spend it on dross?

Fact is Levy had done well, really well at getting us to a stage where we had a massive transfer kitty and could get in players who could potentially take us to the next level. Instead the two clowns took our cash and spent it on footballers who aren't going to do that.

You're little theory on what would've happened had we kept bale is fairy tale stuff. We keep him and not make the top 4. What do we do then?

 

[THOWIG]

Never sadly.

Baldini has a lot to answer for.

 

[chrissivad]

Baldini hasnt been with us long enough to judge him yet.
Lets see what the players were brought in can do now with a new manager.

 

[MattyP]

Teflon Dan won't cop it. He'll get some stick in the press, will then appoint someone else and two years down the line will sack them.

I appreciate a lot of what Levy has done, but fuck me he is trigger happy.

The definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Maybe it is not always the managers fault.

 

[THOWIG]

I think a few may be on their way in the summer. Sign 7 sell 4.

 

[OmarsComing]

Bale is worth every fucking penny Madrid paid for him.

 

[dontcallme]

I'd like to see how Liverpool would respond to Real Madrid putting in a world record bid, getting their legends to create a constant, intense media campaign to get Suarez. Once his head was gone and determined to go to Madrid right now what would they do?

Saying they didn't sell him does not mean the situations were the same. A more similar situation was Chelsea bidding for Modric and we turned it down and kept him another year.

You're not the only person saying changing the core of the team too quickly is a big problem. We did it in changing Jol to Ramos and we've done it again with Redknapp to AVB.

Levy needs to take responsibility here. I like Levy and respect what he has done a lot but his management hiring policy has been a failure. Not simply hiring bad managers but the transition period has been awful.

Swansea went from Martinez to Paulo Sosa to Rodgers to Laudrup. 4 managers playing a similar style meaning the transition was smooth and they've had good continuity. Good continuity doesn't have to be having the same manager for a decade.

We've gone from one extreme to another. Changing our backroom staff more often than is good for the club. The massive change in manager has meant many new players in a short space of time, competing with clubs with much bigger finances and at the same time basically saying if you don't get CL football you'll be fired within 2 years.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I blame Levy for very poor judgement and AVB for being a phoney.

Baldini has to take some blame but he's only just arrived.

Soldado was a terrible purchase but otherwise I think the new players will come good.

What most people on here failed to realise is that Harry was the first manager to stand up to Levy which is why we did so well under him.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I understand the Levy sentiment, but Baldini? he didn't appoint AVB, and the signings he made, who knows what a bit more of an attack minded manager could make of them? far to early for him to be targeted.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i disagree with a few things in your post but yes, levy needs to take some responsibility and i'm not sure how baldini gets away scot free.

 

[Donki]

Was Baldini envilged in the Pauli or Chadli signings?

 

[ItsBoris]

Finding it kind of amusing that "Bobbins" and "Absolute Bobbins" are of the same opinion.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I've also had to deal with Absolute Bobbins but luckily there's an ignore button!

Levy has to step away. We still have ENIC financing the club and Levy can still look after the financial side of the club.

But he's made too many of the same mistakes.

If you really think about it, it's time for someone else to run things.

7 managers in 12 years can't be ignored.

 

[SugarRay]

The Bale-Suarez comparison isn't that simple.

Liverpool had a fairly derisory offer from a smaller club for Suarez. We had an offer twice as large frm the biggest club in the world. Lets see how Liverpool act if and when Real come knocking with a massive offer

 

[WiganSpur]

The players we signed are not bad players though.

I agree that we've lost our identity a little but they're all top quality players, we are underachieving for sure.

• Paulinho- Regular CM in a Brazilian team that are favourites to win the WC.
• Chadli- Highly rated, still young, with a great goalscoring record last season. Not a bad player at all.
• Soldado- Been scoring goals for years in Spain. We overpaid but he's a very good player.
• Capoue- Has done well so far. Isn't really a CB but nothing to suggest he isn't worth the £8m we paid.
• Chiriches- Been our best signing so far, classy CB.
• Eriksen- 21 years old and showed his ability at Ajax.
• Lamela- Again, only 21, scored 15 goals from the wing last season. Showed his ability when he's actually played this season. He needs trust in him that's all.

We have one of the best keepers around, one of the best right backs around, Vertonghen, Sandro & Adebayor. In fact, we don't have a bad player in our squad apart from Naughton, Dawson & perhaps Defoe. There's so much potential in this team for a new manager to get the best out of.

The only thing that is perhaps lacking is an inspirational figure with a bit of experience, there's no Ledley, no Davids & no Van der Vaart that others can look up to anymore but apart from that we have enough quality to be doing better than we are doing.

 

[walworthyid]

This thread is a joke right? If not for the fact that 2 of the teams above us have become the richest clubs in the world we would have finished top regularly over the last few years. The players are poor? So Lamela who hasn't had barely a sniff of action is poor? Soldado who had had less decent chances all season than Suarez had yesterday alone is poor?

Levy is not perfect but he has gradually moved us into a position where but for the money clubs, the Mancs and Arsenal we are the best of the rest.

Utter nonsense. Let's just allow ourselves to bought by some foreign billionaire so that he can move us to the middle east and rename us Oil Utd.

Training ground, a squad full of expensive young talent and a stadium on the way. Yeh Daniel, you should be bloody ashamed of yourself!

The joker had to go and it was almost all of his own doing. We move on.

COYS and for the first time in ages I actually mean it and can't wait for our next game.