When did you first become disillusioned with AVB?

[Caco]

I think what he means is, this thread smacks of "Look at me, I knew he was shit all along and now I've been proved right. Aren't I great"

Just like the people who've come on to the site today just to bump posts they made ages ago saying they didn't want AVB etc.

No, I never voiced my opinion on AVB, like everyone else I really wanted him to succeed and just supported the team regardless. I'm genuinely gutted that it didn't work out because it hasn't helped the club in any way. I am great though!

 

[Spurger King]

I wouldn't call it the truth, but playing Benny on left midfield at home to Fulham was a bit of an eye opener.

Not starting Lamela against Newcastle, and not bringing him on when we were chasing the game, was probably the point when I realised he was destined for the chop. Such an obvious time to make the most of his performance in the Europa League (which really lifted the crowd), but instead AVB probably set back Lamela's confidence another month or two (plus we lost).

To be honest I was sceptical last season when it became clear that he wanted us to play a terrible form of football. From that point I was mainly optimistic that our style was just teething problems, followed by the slow realisation that this is how AVB thinks football should be played.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I'm not sure I know the truth now. Dead against a mid season sacking. We'll never know now

 

[NEVILLEB]

I watched his games at Chelsea and saw NOTHING that suggested he was a good manager. They were disjointed and boring. Falling out with Lampard and A.Cole takes some doing. Then they went on to win the Champs League without him!

I did start to get some hope last season after he switched back to 4-4-2 but it was a false dawn.

How did Levy think this was the right man I don't know.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

 

[myhartlane]

Yesterday. I was pro AVB. I still believe things could have been different had he got moutinho last year.

However yesterday was the realisation. It was when Paulinho was sent off. AVB was visibly broken then. I feel sorry for AVB, he has his faults but I genuinely believe he's a class guy. But yesterday was clearly the end and I think AVB knew it and as has been said elsewhere, perhaps he too is feeling relieved now its all over.

I agree with all of that and I actually feel a bit sad for him, I was always a fan. The problems we have had this season have been discussed at length as we know but I really had faith that once the team began to settle, Soldado found his form, injuries etc then we would be on course for an exciting and productive season. I feel that the board should have known that they were taking on a young manager who was going to make some horrendous mistakes along the way but ultimately would be worth the risk.

Best of luck AVB. I could see him as FIFA Secretary General or something in the future!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Falling out with Lampard and A.Cole takes some doing.

I'd give it a good go.

 

[spursram]

I like AVB,think it was wrong decision at the wrong time, but to keep on thread, AVBs decsion not to play Lamela after the Sheriff game against Newcastle had me wondering...

 

[muppetman]

So a thread that revels in "look at me wasn't I right all along that he was shit?" If this was on RAWK we'd be pissing ourselves.

 

[idontgetit]

I was a bit annoyed he didnt switch to 4-3-3 last year after january and got a bit worried that the team looked set up to completely rely on Bale rather than to get the best out of him. I really started getting worried when during preseason he didnt use the break to start drilling 4-3-3 and instead kept the 4-2-3-1 but never signed a deep lying creative player, the abscence of which was the downfall of our previous season. He did buy some brilliant creative players in Lamela and erikson which gave me a lot of hope. The nail in the coffin was seeing this season that even though he now had those players, he had no love for using them. It became clear that he never would. That combined with his complete lack of understanding of how to use wideforwards and the use of the wrong players for highline defence made it pretty clear the guy was fundamentally flawed

 

[NEVILLEB]

So a thread that revels in "look at me wasn't I right all along that he was shit?" If this was on RAWK we'd be pissing ourselves.

Agreed but the AVB doubters have had a lot of shit on this forum so give them so slack.

 

[muppetman]

Agreed but the AVB doubters have had a lot of shit on this forum so give them so slack.

Fair enough, just shows a total lack of class in my opinion. Each to their own.

 

[Charly***]

Even the Palace game there was something a bit wrong. But you try to be sensible, a new team after-all etc. Looking back with hindsight the time between then and sundays slow motion car crash have been a mixture of wanting something to come to fruition and seeing a few isolated signs and a deep seated feeling that something was intrinsically fucked. Even recently there have been signs of flickers of something in the cups. But then in the league we get the same safety first approach with little to dare is to do attitude. That's our motto no wonder it felt so wrong. I wish him well but the look on his face said it all.

 

[Caco]

Fair enough, just shows a total lack of class in my opinion. Each to their own.

Don't get the lack of class jibe? I've never been an AVB hater, I wasn't happy to see him go. Don't get the look at me I was right all along shite either? If you can find an anti AVB comment I've ever made on here before todays news you'll be doing well.

 

[thinktank]

Not playing lamela against newcastle after his euro class act was the straw for me. Struggled with him after that.

 

[Caco]

Even the Palace game there was something a bit wrong. But you try to be sensible, a new team after-all etc. Looking back with hindsight the time between then and sundays slow motion car crash have been a mixture of wanting something to come to fruition and seeing a few isolated signs and a deep seated feeling that something was intrinsically fucked. Even recently there have been signs of flickers of something in the cups. But then in the league we get the same safety first approach with little to dare is to do attitude. That's our motto no wonder it felt so wrong. I wish him well but the look on his face said it all.

Yeah, I have to admit to feeling like this myself a lot. That belief that we had it in us to trash a team and that that result was just around the corner and we would be on the up from then. Never expected the trashings we received though. I still don't think the 0-3 against Spam has hit me yet!

 

[Spurger King]

Fair enough, just shows a total lack of class in my opinion. Each to their own.

I wouldn't have said 'the truth'. As @gavspur said, there's no reason AVB couldn't go on to be successful with his approach somewhere else. However if the title was 'when did the doubters first have doubts, it becomes quite an interesting thread.

Lots of mud slinging between haters, blind optimists, and the majority somewhere in the middle but leaning for or against. I think it's interesting to see what events or decisions involving AVB started to create doubts, and why.

 

[hellava_tough]

Funnily enough, it was the Cardiff result. Even though that was such a great finale to a game, I remember saying to my brother "Either AVB is a genius and we're going to skank numerous 1-0 wins and the Prem title, or the wheels are going to well and truly come off at any minute"

I suppose it was because the manner of the wins were so poor, and we never ever looked like tonking anyone

Still, I supported him because he was still getting the results and we were never out of the CL hunt

 

[monkeynick]

Yesterday. I was pro AVB. I still believe things could have been different had he got moutinho last year.

However yesterday was the realisation. It was when Paulinho was sent off. AVB was visibly broken then. I feel sorry for AVB, he has his faults but I genuinely believe he's a class guy. But yesterday was clearly the end and I think AVB knew it and as has been said elsewhere, perhaps he too is feeling relieved now its all over.

Are you also in the 'Ramos would've brought us glory if he'd got Arsharvin' camp?

 

[Mouse!]

Leave off.

Gutted for us and him. Should have just gone for it man! Needed a bit of courage, that was all.

Threads like this are petty.