Who benefits and doesn't from a 3-5-2?

[cockerel downunder]

I actually think winks could be a winner. Very good at following instructions and good technical passer.
Not sure about tanguy though, he seems more of a maverick than a “system” player

 

[$hoguN]

The same players who needed to go this summer are still going to be the problem.

Winks and Sissoko are absolutely shite and won’t fit.

Dier and Toby will end up being surplus.

Alli and Lamela leave me with questions about whether they could do enough to even force a rotation with Son and Kane.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Surprised many see PEH as the deeper midfielder, and Bergwijn as the converted RWB over Lucas who is already more of an out-and-out winger I would say. Wouldn't it be more likely that Ndombele or Lo Celso play as the deeper midfielder of the three? PEH and Skipp would rotate as the more defensive box-to-box as I see it.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Actually I wonder if there is not maybe more of a chance he will opt for the 3-4-3 like he used at Chelsea?
It would look something like this, I imagine:
https://lineupbuilder.com/football/?sk=781

Whereas the 3-5-2 like at Inter would probably look something like this, no?
https://lineupbuilder.com/football/?sk=780

Either way I don't see how Lamela gets into the team unfortunately, but who knows.

 

[GutBucket]

Couple of pass maps from his time at Chelsea, we will see some similar stuff here probably. He likes those triangles on the left and right side of the pitch. With a world class RB (attacking right wing back) it looks even better, but he can obviously work with a more traditional WB/FB too. He doesn't like slow midfielders, unless they are paired with a quick one so I'm not sure if Hojbjerg will play a whole lot, maybe in Matic role next to new DM.

 

[mil1lion]

We need a new keeper as backup for Lloris and future replacement, Hart as number 3. I think Lloris just needs to pass short when there's not too much pressure and go long if in danger. With a back 3 he should have options and players to block attackers from closing down.

I'm not convinced with Doherty at wing back. He comes inside a lot and we need to widen the pitch that side. I think Bergwijn and Foyth suit that side more as they will play wider right.

Sess and Reguilon are perfect for the left wing back. Davies and Rodon as left centre backs. Tanganga and Sanchez at right centre back. Toby at the centre but replaced in the 1st team with someone in their peak (an organiser/leader) would set us up nicely.

Hojbjerg as the deep lying midfielder. I think he is someone who would follow instructions well so he would play the way we need. We need one more defensive midfielder signed. Lo Celso and Alli in the box to box central midfield role. Ndombele and Skipp in the creative central midfielders role.

Son and Kane up top, nothing to change with them two as they already link so well. Bale and a new number 9 as backup and hopefully future Kane replacement (someone early to mid 20s) Sell the rest. I think this system is good for many players.

Lloris/NewGK/Hart
Tanganga/Sanchez----Alderweireld/NewCB----Rodon/Davies
Bergwijn/Foyth--------Hojbjerg/NewDM--------Reguilon/Sess
Ndombele/Skipp----Lo Celso/Alli
Kane/NewST----Son/Bale​

 

[DJS]

Wing back wise and if we keep Kane having him and Son up top they would all benefit.

But need to sort out engine room and centre backs as they just haven’t been performing to high enough standard, be it they need to be coached better tactically (in case of Lo Celso and Ndombele) or just cut our losses and replace with some players who work harder and are more effective.

Under our wonderful end of season in 2016/17 we played 3-4-3 and we’re destroying teams and in one game I remember Eriksen was either rested or injured and Dele and Son played behind came and we thumped opponent s - was either Leicester or Hull as we thrashed both at end of that season.

Problem with Dele is he just hasn’t shown any of that recently and has had plenty of opportunities.

Centre back wise aside from potential of Rodon and Tanganga (which is still a massive drop from stony-prime and Super Jan) the rest are all a bit meh for me.

 

[Snuzzy]

Big problem is personell in that the area we are already weakest at gets an extra man in the starting XI.

The squad depth element is solved by Tanganga and Davies being assumed to become back 3 players, but starting line up becomes even more of an issue.

Big potential winner is Eric Dier - middle of a back 3 where he can do advanced sweeper role (poor man's Mattias Sammer) is his ideal position probably, but requires high calibre centre backs alongside rather than converted fullbacks / versatile backs.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Big problem is personell in that the area we are already weakest at gets an extra man in the starting XI.

The squad depth element is solved by Tanganga and Davies being assumed to become back 3 players, but starting line up becomes even more of an issue.

Big potential winner is Eric Dier - middle of a back 3 where he can do advanced sweeper role (poor man's Mattias Sammer) is his ideal position probably, but requires high calibre centre backs alongside rather than converted fullbacks / versatile backs.

That central defensive player has a pretty big role to play with passing out of defence. I could honestly see alderweireld being the central with Rodon and hopefully someone like Skriniar either side.

I’m still trying to understand how our midfield would work. Conte played pirlo and brozovic in that anchor role and when he has had ball winners they play in front of the playmaker. Maybe it’s a Skipp role or maybe we do need a more quality passing anchor player in there. The more I think about it the more I think it’s Ndombele who misses out.

 

[crazyguitarman]

That central defensive player has a pretty big role to play with passing out of defence. I could honestly see alderweireld being the central with Rodon and hopefully someone like Skriniar either side.

I’m still trying to understand how our midfield would work. Conte played pirlo and brozovic in that anchor role and when he has had ball winners they play in front of the playmaker. Maybe it’s a Skipp role or maybe we do need a more quality passing anchor player in there. The more I think about it the more I think it’s Ndombele who misses out.

Wouldn't Ndombele suit this role perfectly? He has the passing range, and he can both keep the ball (progress it forward) and tackle for it if he needs to. I don't think he has the discipline to play as a traditional holding anchor but is this so important when we play with 3ATB? I don't think this role is as physically demanding as a box-to-box role either...

 

[mil1lion]

Lo Celso is better for that role if he goes that way around. He shows for the ball a lot more than Ndombele and is tenacious in the tackle. Ndombele is great at threading through balls so needs to play further forward.

 

[dontcallme]

probably - but he isn't going to be better than Son, and Son is not moving to a wing-back role.

So, that leaves Dele with limited playing options under Conte.

If Son is deemed the right man to play wing back in an FA Cup semi final then he's clearly suited for the role.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

loris
new cb, toby?, new cb,
doch, skip, lo celso, ndom, reg
son kane

not a lot of goals in that team bar the two up front, especially from midfield

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I could honestly see alderweireld being the central with Rodon and hopefully someone like Skriniar either side.

I think this is almost definitely. Toby as a libero with two other centre backs to be the legs and he has licence to do his quarterback thing is essentially a huge upgrade on just what Luiz did in Conte‘s title side

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Wouldn't Ndombele suit this role perfectly? He has the passing range, and he can both keep the ball (progress it forward) and tackle for it if he needs to. I don't think he has the discipline to play as a traditional holding anchor but is this so important when we play with 3ATB? I don't think this role is as physically demanding as a box-to-box role either...

Ndombele as the anchor? Hmm. I don’t think he has the positional awareness for it defensively and he’s going to want to carry the ball and then I’m not convinced he’d be disciplined enough to get back in a defensive role. I do think conte has shown willingness to adapt based on personnel but Ndombele would need to adapt too.

 

[mos5679]

How does Grealish fit into all this ?. Can he play in a conte team? Along with 2cbs and a rwb... we be ok?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ndombele as the anchor? Hmm. I don’t think he has the positional awareness for it defensively and he’s going to want to carry the ball and then I’m not convinced he’d be disciplined enough to get back in a defensive role. I do think conte has shown willingness to adapt based on personnel but Ndombele would need to adapt too.

I think Ndombele is screwed unless something dramatically changes.

From the personnel we currently have, based on his Chelsea side, I think Skipp and Lo Celso/ Højbjerg is tailor made for Conte.

 

[fecka]

I think Ndombele is sewed unless something dramatically changes.

From the personnel we currently have, based on his Chelsea side, I think Skipp and Lo Celso/ Højbjerg is tailor made for Conte.

Agree. I think Ndombele just doesn't impose or show himself enough in games and he can be incredibly lazy while defending. So much talent, so little application.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I think Ndombele is sewed unless something dramatically changes.

From the personnel we currently have, based on his Chelsea side, I think Skipp and Lo Celso/ Højbjerg is tailor made for Conte.

I thought there reports that Conte really like Ndombele - am I misremembering that?

 

[crazyguitarman]

Ndombele as the anchor? Hmm. I don’t think he has the positional awareness for it defensively and he’s going to want to carry the ball and then I’m not convinced he’d be disciplined enough to get back in a defensive role. I do think conte has shown willingness to adapt based on personnel but Ndombele would need to adapt too.

Good points but these all seem like aspects that would be coachable to me. I wouldn't expect Conte to play him there without drilling some instruction as to how he wants him to play. Maybe this could be exactly what Ndombele needs.