Why does Modric get higher ratings via SC polls compared to the media/pundits?

[C0YS]

I think Pirlo is the nuts. But he plays in Italy. I think he'd struggle over here.

I would disagree, not that this is relevant. Pirlo v.2010 will struggle in the PL. But at his prime.... I would have Pirlo in my team solely for set plays, yet alone his brilliant all-round games. I do however think he would be less apreciated in the PL

 

[jonathanhotspur]

He is 31. When would you say he was at his prime, COYS?

I must admit that he usually gives me a tremendous horn. Turns out he's from a gypsy background, too-same as our star man, VDV.

 

[C0YS]

He is 31. When would you say he was at his prime, COYS?

I must admit that he usually gives me a tremendous horn. Turns out he's from a gypsy background, too-same as our star man, VDV.

4 years ago, when else?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

4 years ago, when else?

Are you saying 27+ is over the hill?

Pirlo gets cranky when he doesn't get the time and space on the ball that Italian football affords him.

 

[C0YS]

Are you saying 27+ is over the hill?

Pirlo gets cranky when he doesn't get the time and space on the ball that Italian football affords him.

no Im saying in the case of football Pirlo was playing his best football between 2002-2008. Most footballers hit their peak years at 27-30-ish its normally a bit earlier for forwards and wingers, and later for centre-backs. Goalkeepers 27 is young however.

This is normally because you hit your best phisical condition at 25, then you begin to deteriate, however you mental game keeps on developing, until your legs can no longer run 10kms a game, or whatever the average is. As well as before. Pirlo is on the decline. He is actually decline. It would be fair to say the same on Robbie Keane certainly not in his prime and a year younger.

Pirlo also does not get cranky with out space, Pirlo like Modric, is mobile, he goes in search of space, and in search of being an outlet for other players. He is like an inbreed between Huddlestone and Modric in playing stile. And the best "registra" of our time

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I have seen Pirlo react badly to being pressed PL style. And around the time that he was being linked with Chelsea, the general consensus was that the tempo of the game here might see him swamped.

As for Robbie Keane, I genuinely believe he ought to be at his peak right now-and should have been for the past two years-but I can only speculate that a lack of confidence and this knee problem we rarely hear about are the main factors as to why he isn't.

 

[C0YS]

I have seen Pirlo react badly to being pressed PL style. And around the time that he was being linked with Chelsea, the general consensus was that the tempo of the game here might see him swamped.

As for Robbie Keane, I genuinely believe he ought to be at his peak right now-and should have been for the past two years-but I can only speculate that a lack of confidence and this knee problem we rarely hear about are the main factors as to why he isn't.

The general consensus also suggested Villa and Ossie would struggle with the english game. What you are saying is a myth. Some of Pirlo's best games have come against high tempo in your face teams. It is true that Pirlo would not play at the same level in the PL as he does in serie A but thats not to say he will do badly.

And if you really believe 31 to be the prime for a player one wonders why international teams average age is normally between 26-28, I dont think a team has ever entered a world cup with a team above 30 average age, I'd be supprised if a first 11 had an average age over 30 in any PL game. In-fact most players retire from international duty at 32 years, some even retire from the game at that age. 32-36 is the average age of retirement of football as a whole.

But also what on earth has this got to do with Modric?

 

[gibbs131]

gibbs you probably think Pirlo is crap. Because that is the role he is playing. After the second Inter game the Italian media gave him good ratings and highly complemented his play, and compared him to Pirlo.

Looollllllll


Ole Gibbsy a few days ago:



"Modders and Hud is a blossoming partnership at home I admit that. I don't think he has the winning mentality and well rounded game/confidence away from home where you don't get it all your own way. He can go missing for complete halves, and be a hole in the middle of the park. That is where he differs from Pirlo etc. With the "actual" deep seated playmaker like Pirlo, you would also get a free kick specialist, assists, wades in with goals now and then and does not break every other month.

Modders is a great little player. He's not world class, he's not European class. He's a world class passer, and that is why he starts every game for me when he's fully fit. The trouble is, one knock, and we play a month or two of catch up.

Modrics game reminds me of Man Utd protecting a lead. They build up very slowly and retain the ball, more than dominate teams to protect a lead.

Why does Modders not have any nicknames in the press? Why isn't Modders getting bid on if he is so instrumental to our improvement? His old one is a testament to his failure to live up to the billing. "Croatia's Johan Cruyff" (again from that fruitcake Bilic)

How many "official" MOTM awards has he won? How many player of the month awards has he won? How many opta team of the week teams has he been in? Where is the media frenzy you get with players like Bale, VDV etc etc? How is he doing in the Sun Team ratings?

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, because Modders has in the football world, been a relative flop. Flying below the radar considering he is a flair player doing things the Tottenham way.

He gets some polite words from commentators when he does a nice little pass, but no one is raving about him.

He is another Zokora. Zokoras engine/willingness is Modrics passing. But Zokoras running/tracking isnt as sexy as a nice pass. This is why Modders is overrated. Take his passing away, and what do you have? His skillset is lopsided.

I mean take Bales insane display recently. Pundits have been saying that this was a bigger statement than when George Best took on Europe. And some SCers STILL gave Modric MOTM!"




GOTTA TRUST OLE GIBBSY

Did the Italian press give Modders MOTM? Because some SCers did in that game. Where Bale scored A HAT TRICK!!!!

 

[jonathanhotspur]

The general consensus also suggested Villa and Ossie would struggle with the english game.

They were before my time but I would imagine that English football is more physically demanding than ever before.

And if you really believe 31 to be the prime for a player...

I'm not saying that, just that being 31 doesn't make you washed up-or almost washed up. It just makes you the wrong side of 30!

But also what on earth has this got to do with Modric?

I don't know. You can't have a conversation about Modders round here without getting caught up in a debate about half of the Barcelona team and Pirlo, and then some, apparently.

I just fancied talking about him, seeing as someone brought him up. One of the best players I have ever seen. And I mean that.

 

[SpurSince57]

They were before my time but I would imagine that English football is more physically demanding than ever before.

The pace of the old First Division in the 80s would look positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today (in fact the early EPL looks positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today), but 'tackles' which would get a straight red now were two-a-penny. Ossie was a target of 'hard men' like Tommy Smith, but, like Modric (who's not at all dissimilar), was a lot tougher than he looked. Ricky rode shotgun on him anyway, and after a particularly nasty Smith tackle on Ossie, just ploughed straight through him, studs up.

It were a man's game then, 'appen.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

The pace of the old First Division in the 80s would look positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today (in fact the early EPL looks positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today), but 'tackles' which would get a straight red now were two-a-penny. Ossie was a target of 'hard men' like Tommy Smith, but, like Modric (who's not at all dissimilar), was a lot tougher than he looked. Ricky rode shotgun on him anyway, and after a particularly nasty Smith tackle on Ossie, just ploughed straight through him, studs up.

It were a man's game then, 'appen.

Yes, this was my understanding of how the game was different back then.

When was it that we decided to play at 100mph and who was it that blazed the trail, SpurSince57?

 

[gibbs131]

The pace of the old First Division in the 80s would look positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today (in fact the early EPL looks positively pedestrian compared to the EPL of today), but 'tackles' which would get a straight red now were two-a-penny. Ossie was a target of 'hard men' like Tommy Smith, but, like Modric (who's not at all dissimilar), was a lot tougher than he looked. Ricky rode shotgun on him anyway, and after a particularly nasty Smith tackle on Ossie, just ploughed straight through him, studs up.

It were a man's game then, 'appen.

Ossie had seen it all before. The difference between Ossie and Modders is that Ossie was forged/proven is a top tough league. The Argie league is probably one of the only ones tougher than the Prem/Div 1 when it comes to bite yer legs.

 

[PT]

Toda was the catalyst.

 

[C0YS]

Ossie had seen it all before. The difference between Ossie and Modders is that Ossie was forged/proven is a top tough league. The Argie league is probably one of the only ones tougher than the Prem/Div 1 when it comes to bite yer legs.

Modders proved it in Bosnia which is 90% bit your legs 10% football.

 

[gibbs131]

Modders proved it in Bosnia which is 90% bit your legs 10% football.

Sure buddy.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes, this was my understanding of how the game was different back then.

When was it that we decided to play at 100mph and who was it that blazed the trail, SpurSince57?

I don't think anyone did, really. It was a gradual thing, and maybe it has as much to do with hugely increased fitness levels over the past 20 years or so as anything else. It only hits home when you watch DVDs of games from the past.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I don't think anyone did, really. It was a gradual thing, and maybe it has as much to do with hugely increased fitness levels over the past 20 years or so as anything else. It only hits home when you watch DVDs of games from the past.

I was going to suggest it was to do with the improvements in sports science (and all that jazz) but if that were the sole reason, wouldn't they be doing likewise in Italy and Spain?

Don't get me wrong-I've seen footage from the eighties on ESPN Classic (and what have you), so I appreciate that there is a huge difference in the tempo nowadays.

I wonder if it has anything to do with a lower standard of coaching than you'd see on the continent? Guys like Tony Pulis stealing a living by playing rugby and passing it off as football? Which is probably as a result of the financial implications of relegation? Or maybe it's nothing to do with coaching and all to do with keeping your lips wrapped round the tit of the cash cow?

 

[gibbs131]

Looking around at the paid pundit ratings.

Most gave Modric the same ratings as Crouch, JJ, BAE and Pav.

VDV was in Sky Sports team of the week along with Bale.

Most gave VDV a higher rating than Modric. Where they didn't it was equal.

Want to know an interesting Stat: We are bottom of the table for players that create/score goals this season.

So Modders has an amazing passing stat/sheer volume right?

So whoever Modders is passing to: They are producing West Ham levels of goal scoring and assist getting chances for individual players. And looking at our goals conceded, the possession is not helping us get a clean sheet by playing them off the park.

If it were not for Bale/VDV. We would be in a relegation struggle.

 

[Kirjava.]

Looking around at the paid pundit ratings.

Most gave Modric the same ratings as Crouch, JJ, BAE and Pav.

VDV was in Sky Sports team of the week along with Bale.

Most gave VDV a higher rating than Modric. Where they didn't it was equal.

Want to know an interesting Stat: We are bottom of the table for players that create/score goals this season.

So Modders has an amazing passing stat/sheer volume right?

So whoever Modders is passing to: They are producing West Ham levels of goal scoring and assist getting chances for individual players. And looking at our goals conceded, the possession is not helping us get a clean sheet by playing them off the park.

If it were not for Bale/VDV. We would be in a relegation struggle.

Today's lesson is taken from Matthew Chapter 4, Verses 1 to 11:

Then Spurscommunity forum users were led by the Spirit into the thread about Modric being rubbish to be tempted by the devil. After fasting, with meaningless topics on the colour of the training kit, they were hungry for argument. The tempter came to them and said "Modric is rubbish, he doesn't score enough goals. If I'm wrong, you'll argue with me some more."

But Spurscommunity users said "It is written: 'Do not feed the trolls', so I shall not argue with you."

Then the devil said "Oh, but Modric doesn't create anything. For in the assists and goal-scoring stats it is written, 'He's useless compared to Van de Vaart.'"

But Spurscommunity users said again "It is also written that he who focuses too heavily on output statistics cannot truly understand the importance of any player to the shape and ball-retention of the team, and the flow of the game. Also, Do Not Feed The Trolls."

Then the devil took Spurscommunity users to the 235th thread of a topic, and revealed his greatest statement: "Luka Modric is not as good as Steed Malbranque. Prove me wrong, if you dare!"

And Spurscommunity replied "Away from me Satan! I shall not argue! I shall not reply! I shall not feed the trolls!"

And then the devil ragequit the forums again, after a long thread about how he's misunderstood. And Stoof came and attended to the Spurscommunity users, and deleted all the rubbish. And the users did rejoice, and order was restored, and arguments about William Gallas and Peter Crouch did resume.

 

[walworthyid]

Today's lesson is taken from Matthew Chapter 4, Verses 1 to 11:

Then Spurscommunity forum users were led by the Spirit into the thread about Modric being rubbish to be tempted by the devil. After fasting, with meaningless topics on the colour of the training kit, they were hungry for argument. The tempter came to them and said "Modric is rubbish, he doesn't score enough goals. If I'm wrong, you'll argue with me some more."

But Spurscommunity users said "It is written: 'Do not feed the trolls', so I shall not argue with you."

Then the devil said "Oh, but Modric doesn't create anything. For in the assists and goal-scoring stats it is written, 'He's useless compared to Van de Vaart.'"

But Spurscommunity users said again "It is also written that he who focuses too heavily on output statistics cannot truly understand the importance of any player to the shape and ball-retention of the team, and the flow of the game. Also, Do Not Feed The Trolls."

Then the devil took Spurscommunity users to the 235th thread of a topic, and revealed his greatest statement: "Luka Modric is not as good as Steed Malbranque. Prove me wrong, if you dare!"

And Spurscommunity replied "Away from me Satan! I shall not argue! I shall not reply! I shall not feed the trolls!"

And then the devil ragequit the forums again, after a long thread about how he's misunderstood. And Stoof came and attended to the Spurscommunity users, and deleted all the rubbish. And the users did rejoice, and order was restored, and arguments about William Gallas and Peter Crouch did resume.

Quality post!

Gibbs is a comedian who has shown himself to be one of the most stubborn and ignorant posters that sc has ever seen!