Why does Modric get higher ratings via SC polls compared to the media/pundits?

[gibbs131]

Quality post!

Gibbs is a comedian who has shown himself to be one of the most stubborn and ignorant posters that sc has ever seen!

No answers to my stat based issue (not an opinion, cold hard facts)

And I am ignorant? I am the only one looking at the facts. Not just the obvious goals and assists stat. I'm not even leaning on Modrics shit stats to back up my claim that he is a decentish player and nothing more. I am giving you actual stats that PROVE our team is at the bottom of the league for individual assists and goals. That proves 100% that he is NOT making the team tick in attack. And the clean sheets suggest he is not making us tick in defense. (Which was obvious but some on here keep tellin ole Gibbsy he gets stuck in regarding defense)


Also, the OPINIONS of people who get paid to rate players, differ to the average SCer. That is all opinion based. And not my opinion. So why are people thinking it's ole Gibbsy being a troll, when I am posting the opinion of professional pundits? Did I bribe them to say that Modric should not be given MOTM awards for practically his entire Spurs career?

 

[walworthyid]

No answers to my stat based issue (not an opinion, cold hard facts)

And I am ignorant? I am the only one looking at the facts. Not just the obvious goals and assists stat. I'm not even leaning on Modrics shit stats to back up my claim that he is a decentish player and nothing more. I am giving you actual stats that PROVE our team is at the bottom of the league for individual assists and goals. That proves 100% that he is NOT making the team tick in attack. And the clean sheets suggest he is not making us tick in defense. (Which was obvious but some on here keep tellin ole Gibbsy he gets stuck in regarding defense)


Also, the OPINIONS of people who get paid to rate players, differ to the average SCer. That is all opinion based. And not my opinion. So why are people thinking it's ole Gibbsy being a troll, when I am posting the opinion of professional pundits? Did I bribe them to say that Modric should not be given MOTM awards for practically his entire Spurs career?

Regardless of the validity of any of your "facts" or "stats", if we sold Modric tomorrow we would recieve offers from some of the best clubs in the world. They would also be prepared to pay upwards of 20 million pounds for him!

His role wouldn't actually directly affect our team stats in attack or defence as he is neither charged with providing asists for goals nor particularly preventing them from going in at the other end. His role is far more subtle than that. He uses the ball intelligently and keeps us in posession. He will always want the ball and for the most part be able to keep it and move it on.

I don't really know why I am allowing myself to be drawn into your rather strange little world AGAIN? After all, you are the person who once claimed that Steed is a better player than Modric and that Modric spent most of his time on the floor?

Yawn................

 

[tooey]

We all understand that its cool to oppose the mainstream....It adds individuality to ones character.

 

[gibbs131]

We all understand that its cool to oppose the mainstream....It adds individuality to ones character.

Still no answer to why does Modric make us tick? When individual goals and assist from outfield players, are on par with these teams in the table:

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Arsenal 14
Chelsea 14
Blackburn Rovers 13
Manchester United 13
Blackpool 12
Fulham 12
Aston Villa 11
Stoke City 11
West Bromwich Albion 11
Wolverhampton Wanderers 11
Bolton Wanderers 10
Everton 10
Manchester City 10
Newcastle United 10
Birmingham City 9
Liverpool 9
Sunderland 9
Tottenham Hotspur 8
West Ham United 8
Wigan Athletic 8

So that is how he is doing from a team aspect.


Lets see how he does as an individual:

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2010-11.html

Out of all players who have either scored or assisted this season: He is bottom of the table.

Given his role. Given his "playmaker" role. This is absolute proof his passing leads to NOTHING. Because it is easy safely safely passing that sets up no one. Mostly backwards, mostly from side to side. No killer through balls and one goal to show for it.

 

[tooey]

Still no answer to why does Modric make us tick? When individual goals and assist from outfield players, are on par with these teams in the table:

Arsenal 14
Chelsea 14
Blackburn Rovers 13
Manchester United 13
Blackpool 12
Fulham 12
Aston Villa 11
Stoke City 11
West Bromwich Albion 11
Wolverhampton Wanderers 11
Bolton Wanderers 10
Everton 10
Manchester City 10
Newcastle United 10
Birmingham City 9
Liverpool 9
Sunderland 9
Tottenham Hotspur 8
West Ham United 8
Wigan Athletic 8

Im speechless.....You win the argument.

Is that what you want?

 

[gibbs131]

Im speechless.....You win the argument.

Is that what you want?

People say he makes the team tick (which is really a cop out about his shit stats). Because we as a team score and assist less when it comes to individuals.

This proves, he DOES NOT provide many players even to set up an assist. Let alone actually get an assist.

He has more possession/touches than most as an individual, and he is a playmaker. So the team is not being provided for even though we boss possession most of the time.

And he has the poor individual stats when it comes to getting the team scoring.

This season in the Prem, is he putting it on a dime on Crouches head in the box? Is he putting a through ball for Bale to run onto and score? Is he setting it up for Pav to get a strike off? No. He's not playing to our attackers strengths. He's just passing it DIRECTLY to Bale, or Pav with his back to goal, or a tap back to BAE. He is just taking the easy route.

 

[tooey]

People say he makes the team tick. Yet we as a team score and assist less when it comes to individuals.

This proves, he DOES NOT provide many players even to set up an assist. Let alone actually get an assist.

He has more possession/touches than most as an individual, and he is a playmaker. So the team is not being provided for even though we boss possession most of the time.

And he has the poor individual stats when it comes to getting the team scoring.

You're really barking up the wrong tree.....I honestly dont care, all I know is that people have different opinions and I am choosing to take your opinion (backed by your very lovely stats) and opting to retain my opinion.

 

[gibbs131]

Regardless of the validity of any of your "facts" or "stats", if we sold Modric tomorrow we would recieve offers from some of the best clubs in the world. They would also be prepared to pay upwards of 20 million pounds for him!

His role wouldn't actually directly affect our team stats in attack or defence as he is neither charged with providing asists for goals nor particularly preventing them from going in at the other end. His role is far more subtle than that. He uses the ball intelligently and keeps us in posession. He will always want the ball and for the most part be able to keep it and move it on.

I don't really know why I am allowing myself to be drawn into your rather strange little world AGAIN? After all, you are the person who once claimed that Steed is a better player than Modric and that Modric spent most of his time on the floor?

Yawn................

Modric has an ANTI game. He actually dulls the edge of Spurs.

Nobody wins anything with slow patient buildup in the Prem. Not with todays level of defending.

I think he would be a good signing for slower leagues. But none of the big guns are going to buy a midfielder with defending/attacking/playmaking stats like his which are in the toilet.

 

[gibbs131]

You're really barking up the wrong tree.....I honestly dont care, all I know is that people have different opinions and I am choosing to take your opinion (backed by your very lovely stats) and opting to retain my opinion.

But my other stat, proves your opinions are not in line with paid pundits.

And people are calling me insane. Yet the paid pundits, who have not been in a trust ole Gibbsy thread, don't seem to agree with the stellar ratings.

Here is another stat for the masses:

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Luka Modric Tottenham 1 1
Luke Young Aston Villa 1 1
Mame Diouf Blackburn 1 1
Marc-Antoine Fortune WBA 1 1
Matt Phillips Blackpool 1 1
Michael Owen Man Utd 1 1
Nathan Delfouneso Aston Villa 1 1
Neal Eardley Blackpool 1 1
Nicklas Bendtner Arsenal 1 1
Patrick Vieira Manchester City 1 1
Robbie Blake Bolton 1 1
Rodriguez Maxi Liverpool 1 1
Roger Johnson Birmingham 1 1
Rory Delap Stoke City 1 1
Ryan Nelsen Blackburn 1 1
Somen Tchoyi WBA 1 1
Steven Nzonzi Blackburn 1 1
Steven Pienaar Everton 1 1
Stiliyan Petrov Aston Villa 1 1
Tuncay Sanli Stoke City 1 1
Valon Behrami West Ham Utd 1 1
Victor Moses Wigan Athletic 1 1
Yossi Benayoun Chelsea 1 1
Zat Knight Bolton 1 1
Aaron Lennon Tottenham 1 1
Ahmed Elmohamady Sunderland 1 1
Barry Bannan Aston Villa 1 1
Brett Ormerod Blackpool 1 1
Chris Baird Fulham 1 1
Christophe Berra Wolves 1 1
Damien Duff Fulham 1 1
Danny Murphy Fulham 1 1
David Dunn Blackburn 1 1
Fraizer Campbell Sunderland 1 1
Gabriel Agbonlahor Aston Villa 1 1
Gael Clichy Arsenal 1 1
James McFadden Birmingham 1 1
Javier Mascherano Liverpool 1 1
Joe Cole Liverpool 1 1
John Mensah Sunderland 1 1
John O'Shea Man Utd 1 1
John Terry Chelsea 1 1
Karl Henry Wolves 1 1
Kieron Dyer West Ham Utd 1 1
Louis Saha Everton 1 1
Ludovic Sylvestre Blackpool 1 1
Luis Boa Morte West Ham Utd 1 1
Marc Wilson Stoke City 1 1
Marouane Fellaini Everton 1 1
Micah Richards Manchester City 1 1
Mohamed Diame Wigan Athletic 1 1
Patrice Evra Man Utd 1 1
Paul Robinson Blackburn 1 1
Raul Meireles Liverpool 1 1
Steed Malbranque Sunderland 1 1

These are players on the same total amount of goals/assists in alphabetic order. From L to S.

Seed and Luka neck and neck eh? Who would have predicted it?

 

[spurs mental]

Lol is that list maybe a bit old? I mean Mascherano is on it. You know he moved to Barca right?

 

[coldasice199]

nah. Modric is a very good player. one of our best for sure.

 

[gibbs131]

Lol is that list maybe a bit old? I mean Mascherano is on it. You know he moved to Barca right?

Mascherano, who plays for another team, can match Modders on that particular stat for this season to date. From one game for Liverpool before he signed for Barca.

Speaks absolute volumes :rofl:

 

[gibbs131]

nah. Modric is a very good player. one of our best for sure.

He is a very good passer. But the prem, played at breakneck speed with monsters in the lower half and maestros in the top: Passing isn't enough.

Because there are players in the top half, who's midfielders not only out pass Modric, they also score, tackle, head and create assists.

Just because Modric has good stats from a Spurs passing standpoint, does not mean his percentage is better than what the competition has in the Prem.

He's isn't even top 5 in the passing ranks overall for a season.

Passers Team Passes Accuracy
Mikel Chelsea 963 89%
Ferguson Birmingham 864 84%
Murphy Fulham 798 83%
Essien Chelsea 796 88%
Fletcher Man United 763 86%

The following teams have more successful passing than us:

Man United
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal

Anyone see a pattern: These are the ONLY teams in the Prem that have put about more passes than Spurs. So it is OBVIOUS our passing is great, but NOT EFFECTIVE when you look at goal difference.

We have a current England Internationale striker. And he just got his first goal in the Prem.

This is actual statistical proof that Modric does NOT make us tick.

 

[jamesc0le]

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[jonathanhotspur]

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[jonathanhotspur]

He is a very good passer. But the prem, played at breakneck speed with monsters in the lower half and maestros in the top: Passing isn't enough.

Because there are players in the top half, who's midfielders not only out pass Modric, they also score, tackle, head and create assists.

Just because Modric has good stats from a Spurs passing standpoint, does not mean his percentage is better than what the competition has in the Prem.

He's isn't even top 5 in the passing ranks overall for a season.

Passers Team Passes Accuracy
Mikel Chelsea 963 89%
Ferguson Birmingham 864 84%
Murphy Fulham 798 83%
Essien Chelsea 796 88%
Fletcher Man United 763 86%

The following teams have more successful passing than us:

Man United
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal

Anyone see a pattern: These are the ONLY teams in the Prem that have put about more passes than Spurs. So it is OBVIOUS our passing is great, but NOT EFFECTIVE when you look at goal difference.

We have a current England Internationale striker. And he just got his first goal in the Prem.

This is actual statistical proof that Modric does NOT make us tick.

To be fair, Gibbs, Crouch only has himself to blame for that. He's had chances-even if they haven't been laid on by Modric-but he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo most of the time.

I think Modric is most effective on the break, when he picks the ball up just outside our box and feeds it to someone who can do real damage.

 

[gibbs131]

To be fair, Gibbs, Crouch only has himself to blame for that. He's had chances-even if they haven't been laid on by Modric-but he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo most of the time.

I think Modric is most effective on the break, when he picks the ball up just outside our box and feeds it to someone who can do real damage.

He is partially to blame. I admit that he has missed some sitters.

Isn't it a bit strange that he and Defoe can score at Portsmouth in the Prem, and can score hat tricks for England, but struggle for us?

Defoe is a good striker. But he does seem to get a lot of his goals against the minnows.

 

[spurs mental]

I fucking love little Luka Modric

 

[$hoguN]

Modric is simply an amazing little player. Everyone who knows anything about football can see that, he weaves our play together by keeping the ball moving, has an astounding ability to beat players using sheer skill and has vision akin to best in world football. There are very few player who could have seen the gap and then played the pass he did to VDV for our first against inter.

His contribution is undersung by the press as they just like the people who do the ratings for FIFA look for eye catching passes and break neck runs regardless of how and why we have got into those positions. We as fans are concentrating more on how our team plays and consquently take note of more of Luka's magic.

 

[Leachie]

Just to offer a little balance. It is true that Luka is the focal point in our midfield for most games and he is intelligent, keep's possession and has good vision.

It is also true that we can look at all our players and suggest where they can improve. Luka really has to step up with having a direct impact in the final third and, yes, like Ole Gibbsy is saying, start effecting those assist and goal stats.

That doesn't make him crap or even average. It just means he still has potential to fulfill and I think there has been some signs of that happening this season but he will have to do so sooner rather than later as he is hitting his mid 20's now.