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wow, I don't even know where to start with all of this.
You could have answered the points numerically. That would have been the logical way to go about it.
what a mess.
Well, that's an assertion. I don't see that at all TBH. I've numbered the points so they are clearly differentiated. I believe the arguments are all clearly made and in response to specifics within the post I am responding to. Fail to see how that makes it a mess.
all the ifs and buts in the world don't matter in the slightest. I don't care about what could've happened, but I do know that what didn't happen was us getting close enough to either of Chelsea or Leicester to be serious challengers. fact. at best, we were merely best of the rest. or second-best of the rest in Leicester's case.
You do realise that with the benefit of hindsight you can say that about every single title race (or non-title race, to be exact). it was all just destiny. It was all bound to happen as it did. The truth is, against Leicester, we within minutes of going top - when ten-man Goons got an equaliser at the Lane. With Chelsea, one result could have made the difference. And game by game, no-one knew what our, Leicester and Chelsea's results would be in the future and we could have overtaken either - that is why it was a title race. It's funny, because this morning I was going through the stories on NewsNow and I noticed, without looking for them, that so many of the articles in multi-various media outlets all volunteered the information, that they obviously believe to be correct, that Spurs have been in a title race for the last two seasons. Why do you think that is - why is everyone fooling themselves like this when you see with such precise clarity?
We have been in a title race the last two seasons, the outsiders, playing catch-up, never with our destiny in our own hands (apart from the above mentioned NLD), but title contenders none-the-less. If you can't just accept that, perhaps you should examine your own motives rather than imputing the feeble minded vacuousness of everyone who believes contrary-wise that THFC were actually in a title race.
could you point me to where I said we have NO chance of winning the league?
I don't need to, because I never claimed you had said it. Perhaps, volte face, you could point to where I stated that you had said this? No?
Okay. Now we have this verb in the Enlgish language to infer. It is a thinking verb, not a doing verb like, say, to run, or to jump. It is of its nature creative, so ironic that you game me a <Creative> rating, because when to infer, when we make an inference, what we actually do is we examine a series of related arguments to extrapolate further meaning from a persons statement. Let me show you how this is done:
The general argument that you seem to be agreeing with runs that THFC should target the League and FA Cups, but particularly the League Cup as they will never win the league or CL.
You say that finishing third and second has fooled our fans into thinking we were genuine contenders.
You then claim that "now we, Tottenham Hotspur that have won all of 2 trophies in the last 25 years, seem to have this attitude that domestic cups".
So, the opinion from your side of the argument (that you don't necessarily agree with completely, is that we won't win the league or CL (treated as fact), you believe we were never in a title race previously and you state that because of our historic record we should target the domestic trophies.
Is it really such a logical jump to infer that you think we should be targeting the domestic cups because we've never been contenders for the title and aren't like to this year either? I not only think it is a logical inference to make, I think it is the most logical thing that can be inferred from your statement. If you didn't mean that at all, and you really do think we can win the league or CL this year say so and I will retract that portion of my frothing at the mouth rant. But it really does make your insistence that anyone who believes we where in a title race the previous two seasons is a fool, seem like a strange and pointless comment if you didn't mean to imply something about this seasons chances.
or where I've said we haven't improved dramatically as a club over the last 25 years?
I never said you made any claim that we hadn't improved dramatically. I said that the fact that we have been on an upward trajectory for a good while now makes it irrelevant to reference lower points in that trajectory as any indication of which trophies we should be targeting (n.b. I don't necessarily think we should target any particular trophies, we should just try to win things - but I'm not in charge).
you've literally just invented arguments to get wide-eyed and frothy-mouthed over. very bizarre.
No, I really haven't. Maybe a bit frothy mouthed, though