WINDOW WRAP - SUMMER TRANSFER WINDOW 2015 — from OS

[Lilbaz]

This.
I can't believe the high amount of ratings the OS got for what is basically propaganda. When Poch joined he said he had unbelievable squad, he's just playing the game. To me Poch is clearly saying we added last season in many instances for the sake of it.
We have the clubs most expensive player collecting 100,000 plus weekly for doing nothing, we sold our a DM we just bought last season and didn't replace him and we have 5 CBs which is one too many.

One of the cb's is playing as dm.

 

[Mullers]

One of the cb's is playing as dm.

A makeshift DM which isn't really on for a side who wants to be top 4.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

A makeshift DM which isn't really on for a side who wants to be top 4.

Yeah Man U really struggled to make top 4 when Fergie played Phil Jones as a DM...oh, wait....

 

[Shadydan]

A makeshift DM which isn't really on for a side who wants to be top 4.

He's a DMF and a CB by trade, fist played as a DMF for Sporting Lisbon.

 

[Mullers]

Yeah Man U really struggled to make top 4 when Fergie played Phil Jones as a DM...oh, wait....

If you have evidence that Poch is a Fergie in the making I'd like to see it.

 

[Mullers]

He's a DMF and a CB by trade, fist played as a DMF for Sporting Lisbon.

The Portuguese league is a lot different than the premier league, we bought him to play at CB so that is where he should play, I think a patchwork quilt jobby won't take us too far.

 

[Shadydan]

The Portuguese league is a lot different than the premier league, we bought him to play at CB so that is where he should play, I think a patchwork quilt jobby won't take us too far.

How do you know we bought him just to play CB? Don't get the comment about the Portugese league either?

 

[Mullers]

How do you know we bought him just to play CB? Don't get the comment about the Portugese league either?

We didn't buy him with the intention of playing of playing him at right back because we bought 2 players for that position, we didn't buy him to play at DM because we bought Stambouli last season.

I am saying the portuguese league isn't very good and in nowhere compares with the premier league.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If you have evidence that Poch is a Fergie in the making I'd like to see it.

Show evidence that you have to be Fergie level manager to make it work

 

[Lilbaz]

We didn't buy him with the intention of playing of playing him at right back because we bought 2 players for that position, we didn't buy him to play at DM because we bought Stambouli last season.

I am saying the portuguese league isn't very good and in nowhere compares with the premier league.

He has had the intention of playing him as dm this season as he has played him there in our preseason games. He started off playing there at sporting and played there repeatedly for them.
It may be your opinion that he can't play there but at least three professional coaches had the opinion that he can.

 

[Mullers]

Show evidence that you have to be Fergie level manager to make it work

You don't have to be Fergie level to make it work, there are a fair few sunday league managers who might be able to make a good fist of it. However we are a top 6 team looking for a top four spot in the toughest league or one of the toughest league in the world and we haven't got off to the best start, not sure we can afford to play someone who is a CB still learing his trade in that position at DM.

 

[Mullers]

He has had the intention of playing him as dm this season as he has played him there in our preseason games. He started off playing there at sporting and played there repeatedly for them.
It may be your opinion that he can't play there but at least three professional coaches had the opinion that he can.

Preseason games are good for experimentation and I believe he played him there just in case we could not get a DM which has proved to be the case.

Ok but just because they are professional coaches it does not mean that they are automatically correct. Doctors can do a wrong diagnosis and a patient with no medical training at all could do a correct diagnosis.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

You don't have to be Fergie level to make it work, there are a fair few sunday league managers who might be able to make a good fist of it. However we are a top 6 team looking for a top four spot in the toughest league or one of the toughest league in the world and we haven't got off to the best start, not sure we can afford to play someone who is a CB still learing his trade in that position at DM.

its far too early to judge whether we can make it work. Although I would in no way put down are slow start to Dier, he's arguably been one of our better players.

 

[Mullers]

its far too early to judge whether we can make it work. Although I would in no way put down are slow start to Dier, he's arguably been one of our better players.

Neither would I but defensively he is still learning his trade I think it is asking a lot of him to play for a top 6 side in that position. He was one of the better CBs last season so it's unfortunate for him to be passed over as a regular in his best position.

 

[Shadydan]

We didn't buy him with the intention of playing of playing him at right back because we bought 2 players for that position, we didn't buy him to play at DM because we bought Stambouli last season.

I am saying the portuguese league isn't very good and in nowhere compares with the premier league.

We didn't buy a DM this season because the management obviously think he does an adequate job there.

If you're gonna evaluate his position as CB in which he played there in the Portuguese league then you need to apply the same logic for when he played as DMF, I still don't know what the quality of the league has to do with were he plays?

 

[Real_madyidd]

So we weigh one decent performance against a tactically poor Everton at home, against 25 odd games each from Bentaleb and Mason that saw us finish fifth and declare his positioning and composure way beyond what Mason and Bentaleb offer ?

Being less mobile isn't the same as having good positional awareness.That's the sort of woolly rubbish people used to come out with about Huddlestone. he didn't look so positionally aware when Stoke outplayed us for 45 mints at home.

yes. But that is because I don't rate their positioning or composure that highly.

 

[Mullers]

We didn't buy a DM this season because the management obviously think he does an adequate job there.

If you're gonna evaluate his position as CB in which he played there in the Portuguese league then you need to apply the same logic for when he played as DMF, I still don't know what the quality of the league has to do with were he plays?

Or because there wasn't the money available for a DM.
Yes the same logic can be applied to CB, he was a low risk signing at 4 million, but he has proved that he has the quality to play in that position and broken into the England squad as a CB not as a RB or DM.

I already told you that the Portuguese league does not compare to premier league, just because he can do a job covering as DM in that league, it doesn't mean he can do it in the PL.

 

[Lilbaz]

Or because there wasn't the money available for a DM.
Yes the same logic can be applied to CB, he was a low risk signing at 4 million, but he has proved that he has the quality to play in that position and broken into the England squad as a CB not as a RB or DM.

I already told you that the Portuguese league does not compare to premier league, just because he can do a job covering as DM in that league, it doesn't mean he can do it in the PL.

It suggests he's more likely to be able to do it than not.
It doesn't matter as he has actually played quite well there for us. Against everton he was probably our best player.
Do we no longer give a 21 year old player a chance to prove himself before writing him off? Or does this have little to do with dier and everything to do with levy?

 

[Shadydan]

Or because there wasn't the money available for a DM.
Yes the same logic can be applied to CB, he was a low risk signing at 4 million, but he has proved that he has the quality to play in that position and broken into the England squad as a CB not as a RB or DM.

I already told you that the Portuguese league does not compare to premier league, just because he can do a job covering as DM in that league, it doesn't mean he can do it in the PL.

Well if there was a need for a DMF within the price range then we would have pushed for one, we didn't therefore the management are obviously happy with our options.

But he came into the league where he only had Portuguese league experience....playing as a centre back, he proved that he can cut it in the Prem playing as a CB.Likewise he only has Portuguese league experience playing as a DMF, so why can't he cut it playing as a DMF in the prem, why is there a different set of rules for either position?

 

[Mullers]

It suggests he's more likely to be able to do it than not.
It doesn't matter as he has actually played quite well there for us. Against everton he was probably our best player.
Do we no longer give a 21 year old player a chance to prove himself before writing him off? Or does this have little to do with dier and everything to do with levy?

I am not saying he isn't a good player, I am just saying it isn't fair on Dier that he was one of our best CBs and he's been moved to DM where he's expected to do a job, when he is still learning his trade at CB. The season is long, he had some good games at RB last season but ultimately he wasn't thought good enough to continue playing there.