World Cup Build Up Thread - Form Players

[NickHSpurs]

6 goals in the last 4 games for Johnson now, scoring in all four of them, including a hatrick.

Lallana still doing the business as well!

 

[Syn_13]

6 goals in the last 4 games for Johnson now, scoring in all four of them, including a hatrick.

Lallana still doing the business as well!

Nope. Cleverley and Welbeck all the way.

 

[gushayes11]

Johnson really surprises me lately. Playing really well, and scoring. Welbeck is an awful footballer, Cleverley is average at best. Lallana has something extra about him. Technically good, has a goal in him and should go to wc.

 

[LukaMotion]

Lallana, Shaw and Rodriguez should all be going IMO. All three having great seasons and should be a big part of the future for England.

 

[nailsy]

Lallana, Shaw and Rodriguez should all be going IMO. All three having great seasons and should be a big part of the future for England.

Lallana should definitely be going. Shaw deserves to go as well, but that would mean dropping either Baines or Cole and I'm not sure Roy would take the risk of leaving Cole behind. I'd like to see Rodriguez play for England again before deciding if he's ready.

 

[nailsy]

Johnson really surprises me lately. Playing really well, and scoring. Welbeck is an awful footballer, Cleverley is average at best. Lallana has something extra about him. Technically good, has a goal in him and should go to wc.

Johnson has always been very inconsistent. I just think his form will disappear in a couple of weeks and we'll all forget about him again.

Welbeck is a strange one. He's got some talent but he doesn't convince me as a goalscorer and yet he's somehow got eight goals in twenty games for England. That record and the fact he knows Rooney so well is probably enough to get him in the squad.

 

[Syn_13]

Lallana should definitely be going. Shaw deserves to go as well, but that would mean dropping either Baines or Cole and I'm not sure Roy would take the risk of leaving Cole behind. I'd like to see Rodriguez play for England again before deciding if he's ready.

I would. He's past it and has been pony this year. Baines is head and shoulders above him at the moment and if you're not going to play him because of that then why bother taking him at all? May as well take a young understudy. I don't buy the experience thing anyway, especially since the England national team isn't exactly a successful one. On the International stage what the hell can players like Terry, Cole, Lampard and Gerrard possibly offer? They're failures in that respect. Great Premiership players, but International football is a different animal.

 

[SugarRay]

Cole may be past it now but to call him an international failure is ridiculous.

He has been brilliant for England over his international career. The one constant world class player England have had for the best part of a decade.

And I hate the bastard!

Gerrard and Lampard have had pretty good international careers too. Although both are pretty much done now.

 

[SugarRay]

Woy loves Welbeck so he will go if fit. Unfortunately he also loves Cleverley for some unknown reason. One of the worst players I have seen pull on an England shirt.

He already has 5 more caps than Le Tissier got for England

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Woy loves Welbeck so he will go if fit. Unfortunately he also loves Cleverley for some unknown reason. One of the worst players I have seen pull on an England shirt.

He already has 5 more caps than Le Tissier got for England

appalling ... i still don;t knw what Welbeck brigns to any team apart from a great ability to fall with no contact

 

[JerryGarcia]

Cole may be past it now but to call him an international failure is ridiculous.

He has been brilliant for England over his international career. The one constant world class player England have had for the best part of a decade.

And I hate the bastard!

Gerrard and Lampard have had pretty good international careers too. Although both are pretty much done now.

Yep, as much of a bell end as he's been at Arsenal and Chelsea, he's never let England down althought I'd start Baines ahead of him.

 

[beats1]

Cole may be past it now but to call him an international failure is ridiculous.

He has been brilliant for England over his international career. The one constant world class player England have had for the best part of a decade.

And I hate the bastard!

Gerrard and Lampard have had pretty good international careers too. Although both are pretty much done now.

I agree but cant agree with this, other than the minnows these two have performed at a high level imo. Of course most of this is based on what I can remember so since 2006

 

[JerryGarcia]

Lampard did have a good England career in his twenties, he's got about 30 goals in 100 or so games which is a record for a midfielder if I'm not mistaken. Plenty of international teams have failed in the cups but have had some top players, what about the Dutch for example?

 

[Syn_13]

Cole may be past it now but to call him an international failure is ridiculous.

He has been brilliant for England over his international career. The one constant world class player England have had for the best part of a decade.

And I hate the bastard!

Gerrard and Lampard have had pretty good international careers too. Although both are pretty much done now.

Yes, they've been great for England and I don't mean to write them off as players. But what I mean is that on the International stage they've vastly underachieved. England's "golden generation" completely flopped. The players produced over the last decade or so were good enough to at least amount a challenge to some of the bigger, more established nations. When you consider a lot of these players were world class for their respective clubs, in the best league in the world, you'd think they'd have done more.

Also, I find that they're players that are only truly rated in this country because of what they have done for the Premier League. If I talk about English players like Cole, Gerrard and Lampard to my family over on the continent they'll regard them as good players but not world class because of their failure on the International scene. English players are always seen as being good individually, but lacking a united mentality, or how to work as a unit tactically.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Jedinak has been playing every week for Palace.

One of the only Aussie players in the prem nowadays, or is this thread only about the hilariously embarrassing English national team?

 

[Buckoxx]

GK - Hart, Forster, Ruddy
DEF - Walker, Johnson, Jones, Cahill, Cole, Smalling, Baines
MID - Townsend, Sterling, Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere, Lallana, Johnson, Barry
ATK - Rooney, Welbeck, Defoe, Hooper


23 Man Squad

Although I feel i'm missing a few vital players, Bold I think will be shock picks

Barkley, Rodriguez, Zaha, Big Andy, Dawson, Cleverely

Are all likely too IMO

 

[SlunkSoma]

GK - Hart, Forster, Ruddy
DEF - Walker, Johnson, Jones, Cahill, Cole, Smalling, Baines
MID - Townsend, Sterling, Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere, Lallana, Johnson, Barry
ATK - Rooney, Welbeck, Defoe, Hooper


23 Man Squad

Although I feel i'm missing a few vital players, Bold I think will be shock picks

Barkley, Rodriguez, Zaha, Big Andy, Dawson, Cleverely

Are all likely too IMO

So weak when it's written down, embarrassing. I really fucking hate Sterling as well, not quite sure why, but sure it's rational.

 

[beats1]

Lampard did have a good England career in his twenties, he's got about 30 goals in 100 or so games which is a record for a midfielder if I'm not mistaken. Plenty of international teams have failed in the cups but have had some top players, what about the Dutch for example?

The things these records have been built on the back of scoring goals against the likes of Maldova, Andorra, Tibet, Samoa and etc.

If that makes you legend, does me scoring against the likes of other pub teams a great player because those countries don't even have full time players!

 

[Tottenham_God]

How does a nation with arguably the best league competition in the world end up with such a shite national team? Astounds me

 

[tiger666]

How does a nation with arguably the best league competition in the world end up with such a shite national team? Astounds me

All those dirty foreigners innit.