Yids chants

[LSUY]

The Society of Black Lawyers say it is unacceptable for any fans, including Jewish ones, to use the yid chant. So when are they reporting black rappers for using the N word?

 

[SheffieldAndy]

Within the SBL's ten point plan...

• a 20% quota at all levels of the FA, PFA, clubs as well as football agents and referees

Assuming this means 20% must be black, I really don't like the quota idea they're proposing one bit. I don't like being forced to hire anyone based on anything other than them being the best candidate. Never have.​

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*EDIT* regardless of a possibly inflated sell on value ​

 

[Leachie]

are you a lawyer?

No. But I have seen A Few Good Men loads of times!

 

[jj87]

Been here time and again....

The overwhelming majority of Jewish people I have ever spoken to (including myself and family) have no problem with it. Added to the fact it would be incredibly difficult to prosecute for various reasons, this is a complete non-starter. I dont understand when the Society of Black Lawyers became such an authority in football?? Pointless rubbish.

 

[pablo73]

No. But I have seen A Few Good Men loads of times!

Ok - I think you could have a decent case for being allowed membership. Leave it with me.

 

[cozzo]

The Society of Black Lawyers say it is unacceptable for any fans, including Jewish ones, to use the yid chant. So when are they reporting black rappers for using the N word?

Name one high profile rapper in UK that generally uses the N word?

 

[EastLondonYid]

Does that mean i will be EastLondon soon? what a load of fucking pony....fuck off.

 

[LSUY]

Name one high profile rapper in UK that generally uses the N word?

Tinie Tempah. Off the top of my head I can think of six songs where he's used the N word.

 

[KentuckyYid]

I wonder if the SBL are actually more against that it is chanted in a positive light which also implies positive support of Israel (even though the fans don't mean it as such). I mean they couldn't have a positive image of Israel could they... That just wouldn't do. Before anybody quotes Baddiel his motive is different. He's a Goon, and in this instance is a pawn for SBL.

I know SBL are specifically about racism in football which is their get out card for not tackling rappers but since when were SBL invited into football? If they can butt their noses in football can't they butt their noses in elsewhere too?

 

[Spurrific]

Tottenham Hotspur have hit back at the Society of Black Lawyers by insisting that their supporters are not guilty of anti-Semitic abuse.

The group have threatened the North London club with police action if they do not address the alleged issue of anti-Semitic chants being adopted by Spurs supporters during matches.

A statement from Spurs said: "Our position on this topic is very clear. The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting. Our guiding principle in respect of the 'Y-word' is based on the point of law itself - the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used i.e. if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence. This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.

"Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.

"The club believes that real anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers is the real evil and the real offence. We believe this is the area that requires a determined and concerted effort from all parties and where we seek greater support to eradicate."

Many Spurs fans refer to themselves as 'Yids' and are known to chant "Yid army" during matches.

Read the full story on Sports Mole at: http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/spurs-defend-fans-over-yid-chants_53605.html

 

[sweyid]

I think the Society of Black Lawyers (which sounds like some form of cult btw) need a history lesson. Spurs fans using "yids" in chants and songs is a case of taking it back and turning what used to be abuse into a shield from abuse. It's about pride and about turning an abusive term into something positive instead (much like homosexual groups are doing with 'fag' etc around the world).

I'm not jewish, so I haven't got the insight into all the cultural significance of the term 'yid' and what it means to a jew, but the way I use yid and call myself yid is all about pride. If any group has got the right to call Tottenham fans using the terms yid/yids/yiddo anti-semitic it's the jews themselves, not the Society of Black Lawyers.

 

[robbiedee]

I'm sure a lot of the work the SBL has been good but it seems to me that due to recent events, they've got a bit of an audience and seem to be making all sorts of demands.

Crazy really, although I hear the RSPB are already serving legal proceedings against Swansea, Newcastle and Norwich.

I think the SBL are focussing on the wrong London club.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think these lot need to fuck off and do their homework.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

I think the SBL are focussing on the wrong London club.

I totally agree with that (as does everyone I've spoken to about it), I have a feeling they see us an a slightly easier target than taking on the money and the quite frankly massive amount of work they they'd have to do with everything that would be unearthed at the Bridge.

 

[Mouse!]

Name one high profile rapper in UK that generally uses the N word?

Dizzee Rascal, Kano, Skepta, Lethal Bizzle, Chipmunk, Giggs, Tinie Tempah, Tinchy Stryder...the list goes on...

 

[dontcallme]

So our defence is we use the word Yid to reclaim it from people who were using it anti-semitically. I think that is an important point and should be acknowledged by anyone trying to stop Spurs fans from using the term.

But that doesn't mean the term should be allowed to be used. If other fans refer to Spurs fans in a negative way and use the word Yid then it can be classed as a term of abuse and people can be prosecuted.

For a long time I've heard American rappers claim they are using the N word to reclaim it but now many argue that them using it teaches others to use it and it's wrong to say that one group of people can use a word but others can't.

People rarely use the word in the UK to attack Jews anymore but then I don't believe we are singing it anymore for the same reasons we did originally.

Maybe it is time the term was phased out.

 

[$hoguN]

So our defence is we use the word Yid to reclaim it from people who were using it anti-semitically. I think that is an important point and should be acknowledged by anyone trying to stop Spurs fans from using the term.

But that doesn't mean the term should be allowed to be used. If other fans refer to Spurs fans in a negative way and use the word Yid then it can be classed as a term of abuse and people can be prosecuted.

For a long time I've heard American rappers claim they are using the N word to reclaim it but now many argue that them using it teaches others to use it and it's wrong to say that one group of people can use a word but others can't.

People rarely use the word in the UK to attack Jews anymore but then I don't believe we are singing it anymore for the same reasons we did originally.

Maybe it is time the term was phased out.

Ok mate, i'll let you walk around WHL telling people not to chant Yid Army. Good luck.

 

[cozzo]

Dizzee Rascal, Kano, Skepta, Lethal Bizzle, Chipmunk, Giggs, Tinie Tempah, Tinchy Stryder...the list goes on...

Crazy! I wonder why they get signed to record labels then?? I know for sure that the labels are not owned by black people...But I guess that's a discussion for a different platform.

 

[Mouse!]

Crazy! I wonder why they get signed to record labels then?? I know for sure that the labels are not owned by black people...But I guess that's a discussion for a different platform.

Maybe because it's never been a big deal to the artists. Just a word they throw into their lyrics because it's the done thing. I doubt any of them have sat down and thought about the history of the word and made the conscious decision to not use in on grounds of principal.

They do take the word out of a lot of songs for radio edits though.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

Maybe it is time the term was phased out.

Maybe, but why should we phase out something that has become such a part of our identity as a club?