Yids chants

[talkshowhost86]

If a Liverpool fan referred to himself as a scouser would this be set upon by the society of black lawyers? I'm pretty sure it's a term that has been used in a derogatory manner against people from Liverpool but I'm sure Liverpool fans wouldn't hesitate to sing a song about being scouse if they just stopped from their criminal activity for a moment wanted to.

 

[$hoguN]

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

Judaism is a religion, not a race

Actually it is commonly considered both a Religion and a Race.

 

[RichieS]

Who the fuck do these people think they are? Way to wade into something that has fuck all to do with you and look stupid, guys!

 

[sloth]

The ironic thing about the SBL's stance is that the Spurs fans who will agree with them most won't be Jewish, but BNP/EDL dickheads who probably can't stand it when we call ourselves yids; how can they go round racially insulting jews, if it might be thought they're showing friendly comradeliness? Stop us calling ourselves yids and they'll be able to start using it a racial insult again!

 

[Star_of_Davids]

These people suddenly piped up by making a complaint to the police about Clattenburg. Now they've got on their high horse about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It seems that their Chairman is just a chavski fan who is trying to deflect racism slurs away from his own club whose fans (and captain) are the worst culprits

 

[rawhide]

We can and will call ourselves what we want.

Wouldn't it be an infringement on our civil rights to stop us?

 

[rawhide]

Oh, and if they send an observer, they'll hear the REAL anti-Semitic chants from away fans.

 

[markiespurs]

Lol at an organisation racist by name trying to stop racism

 

[markiespurs]

Oh, and if they send an observer, they'll hear the REAL anti-Semitic chants from away fans.

Send an observer, now they think they are the bloody UN. Gonna be on the lookout now for someone at the
Lane wearing a blue helmet and blue bullet proof vest.

 

[Shadydan]

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

Judaism is a religion, not a race

Actually it is commonly considered both a Religion and a Race.

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No it is not the same thing, one is a derogatory word describing the race of a person over which they had no choice, the other is a derogatory word describing the religion of a person over which they made a choice of their own free will.

Again for this, race/religion thing, it's still carries the same connotations whether you'll taking about a race or a religion.

African American's and most notably rappers use the slang word nigga (note the a for emphasis) as it's a term of endearment to their fellow friends. It's not used in a derogatory term and never has been used as a term n a derogatory manner.

Note the constant reference from Denzel Washington to Ethan Hawke calling him "my nigga" etc....

We use the word yids/yid army as a term of endearment and empowerment much like the word nigga

The other term with er has and always will be used as a derogatory term for a black person, don't think you need me to find examples but I'm sure you get my point.

So again people referring to the N word are completely missing the point.

 

[sweyid]

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

It's both, actually (well, judaism is a religion, but being jewish is both religious and ethnic). It's not a race though (Ethiopian jews don't share the same DNA as Asheknazi jews, for example).

/RE teacher.

 

[Tafspur]

Can everybody just refer to me as ...Spur from now on because Taf, being a racial/identity indicator is likely to be derogatory and inflame me and my countrymen. Please also desist from talking about 'welshing' on a debt, and never, ever, use the nursery rhyme 'Taffy was a welshman, Taffy was a thief' or I'll have the Society of Black Lawyers (Cardiff Division, lovely boys) on you PDQ.








The lunatics have taken over the asylum. God help us all.

 

[riggi]

Celtic are next.

 

[Mattspur]

Can everybody just refer to me as ...Spur from now on because Taf, being a racial/identity indicator is likely to be derogatory and inflame me and my countrymen.

I had no idea that the word "Taf" even existed before you mentioned it. Thanks for educating me.

 

[Spurger King]

In a show of support for the club and the fans I've decided to change my name to Yhidamhi Yiddho and make myself available to sign for Tottenham Hotspur. That way it's just 35,000 fans cheering me on.

Due to the circumstances I'm willing to accept a weekly wage of only £10,000.

 

[AngerManagement]

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Again for this, race/religion thing, it's still carries the same connotations whether you'll taking about a race or a religion.

African American's and most notably rappers use the slang word nigga (note the a for emphasis) as it's a term of endearment to their fellow friends. It's not used in a derogatory term and never has been used as a term n a derogatory manner.

Note the constant reference from Denzel Washington to Ethan Hawke calling him "my nigga" etc....

We use the word yids/yid army as a term of endearment and empowerment much like the word nigga

The other term with er has and always will be used as a derogatory term for a black person, don't think you need me to find examples but I'm sure you get my point.

So again people referring to the N word are completely missing the point.

but how does it go down if white people use the slang word nigga? even if they also intend it to be a term of endearment, generally not so well

That's the fundamental difference to your argument I guess, if white people referred to themselves as nigga's with the A to distinguish it from being a racially abusive term most black people would take offence or not approve of it
(it's also not cut and drive as to whether or not it is really acceptable and empowering for black people to use the term, I know many black people who think it most certainly is not but that's another debate entirely)

So really is it correct to say black people using a negative slang term that was initially intended to insult them is the same as Spurs fans (non Jewish/Yiddish Spurs fans) using a term meant to insult another cultural group even if again it is intended to be empowering and defusing of racial abuse.

If a group of non black fans were using the term Nigga to describe themselves and chanting "nigga army" because they were opposed to the racial abuse of the people in their local area or perhaps their players I doubt this would be deemed acceptable and empowering even if the intentions of the fans were to show support for black people and to empower the word.

If say Spurs fans went to the Lazio match in Rome and were chanting "nigga army" in an attempt to show support for Defoe who was racially abused by the Lazio fans in the first game (and our other players of black heritage) do you think that would be acceptable? for a group of predominately non black fans to be chanting "nigga army" using a word that was first designed as an insulting and dehumanising term for an entire group of people and in part justifying terrible atrocities such as slavery (by helping to make a distinction between black people and humans) just because they used an A instead of an ER and intended it to be supportive and empowering? or do you think there would be an uproar?

If you think the latter and that would be unacceptable I guess it would raise the question......is it then any more acceptable for a group of predominately non Jewish fans to be chanting a word designed to insult and dehumanise an entire creed of people just because they intend it to be supportive and empowering? Is "Yid Army" that far removed from "Nigga Army" aside from the length of time it has been applied to the club and the fans attachment and identification with the term?

I'm not actually trying to comment on whether or not Spurs fans using the word Yid is right or wrong, I am more playing devils advocate for the sake of debate because frankly I do not agree with the "black people call themselves nigga and its empowering" argument being used as evidence for non Jewish Spurs fans calling themselves Yids.

 

[Spurrific]

In a show of support for the club and the fans I've decided to change my name to Yhidamhi Yiddho and make myself available to sign for Tottenham Hotspur. That way it's just 35,000 fans cheering me on.

Due to the circumstances I'm willing to accept a weekly wage of only £10,000.

You're one of the good guys

 

[Leachie]

To me the word Yid meant "Tottenham Fan" before I even knew it had anything to do with Judaism. It still means the same thing to me.

 

[specspurs]

It's both, actually (well, judaism is a religion, but being jewish is both religious and ethnic). It's not a race though (Ethiopian jews don't share the same DNA as Asheknazi jews, for example).

/RE teacher.

You are indeed correct,its definitely both a religion and a race,even the NHS recognises this fact officially as there are some conditions that are more prevalent in Jewish people,particularly of Ashkenazi descent and even in its impoverished state the NHS will allow free screenings to people with this risk factor that may be denied people without it.

 

[Tafspur]

but how does it go down if white people use the slang word nigga? even if they also intend it to be a term of endearment, generally not so well

That's the fundamental difference to your argument I guess, if white people referred to themselves as nigga's with the A to distinguish it from being a racially abusive term most black people would take offence or not approve of it
(it's also not cut and drive as to whether or not it is really acceptable and empowering for black people to use the term, I know many black people who think it most certainly is not but that's another debate entirely)

So really its correct to say black people using a negative slang term that was initially intended to insult them is the same as Spurs fans (non Jewish/Yiddish Spurs fans) using a term meant to insult another cultural group even if again it is intended to be empowering and defusing of racial abuse.

If a group of non black fans were using the term Nigga to describe themselves and chanting "nigga army" because they were opposed to the racial abuse of the people in their local area or perhaps their players I doubt this would be deemed acceptable and empowering even if the intentions of the fans were to show support for black people and to empower the word.

If say Spurs fans went to the Lazio match in Rome and chanting "nigga army" in an attempt to show support for Defoe who was racially abused by the Lazio fans in the first game (and our other players of black heritage) do you think that would be acceptable? for a group of predominately non white fans to be chanting "nigga army" using a word that was first designed as an insulting and dehumanising term for an entire group of people and in part justifying terrible atrocities such as slavery (by helping to make a distinction between black people and humans) just because they used an A instead of an ER and intended it to be supportive and empowering? or do you think there would be an uproar?

If you think the latter and that would be unacceptable I guess it would raise the question......is it then any more acceptable for a group of predominately non Jewish fans to be chanting a word designed to insult and dehumanise an entire creed of people just because they intend it to be supportive and empowering? Is "Yid Army" that far removed from "Nigga Army" aside from the length of time it has been applied to the club and the fans attachment and identification with the term?

I'm not actually trying to comment on whether or not Spurs fans using the word Yid is right or wrong, I am more playing devils advocate for the sake of debate because frankly I do not agree that the "black people call themselves nigga and its empowering" argument being used as evidence for non Jewish Spurs fans calling themselves Yids.

Surely there is a radical difference between 'Yid' and 'Jew' - I would argue that a chant of Jew Army (or Jewish Army) could be taken as offensive or racial, but 'Yid Army' is as much a definition of language as of racial identity. I strongly believe there is a serious risk of over reacting here, and by extension, a possibility that Tafs, Micks, Jocks, Geordies etc become unacceptable. What then for the Scum, the Bindippers and the Chavs?