Youssouf Mulumbu

[Spurs_Bear]

What has that to do with this case? I also thought that Kewell was a good player before.

Djimi Traore and Sinama Pongolle have never been anything apart from fucking shit. We all know why you rate them, let's not fuck about here 'spursking'.

 

[Essexyid07]

... Mohamed Sissokho, Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Djimi Traore.

All wank players IMO

 

[mpickard2087]

It is not just the overprice. It is how you build a team. What you see as a good team. I want Spurs to have an exiting team.

We would definately be 'exiting' a lot of competitions if we followed your approach and packed our team full of the stars from the likes of Chad, Burundi and Mauritania.

 

[Graysonti]

No to this player

 

[StartingPrice]

1) I didn't actually read that post. 2) It is probably the most offensive post I have seen here so far. 3) Not that I care about it. 4) I just want a discussion, and 5) it is clear that we don't agree. 6) That is fine. 7) I have nothing against anyone here on the forum, and 8) no enemies.
I will never have that. 9) I write about interesting football business, 10) which is one step ahead. 11) Some people seem to stick to the old fashioned style of play, and 12) think that Liverpool did great signings when they signed the likes of Downing, Adam, Henderson and Carroll.

13) You have to admit that the players I talk about are more interesting than them. 14) I want Spurs to be successful. 15) Do you?

WUM
1) If you didn't read it, how do you know it was offensive?
2) The most offensive posts I read on here are your posts.
3) Well, maybe you should - because for 8 years now people have been telling you how silly, stupid and offensive your posts are, maybe if you finally actually listened to what they are saying you wouldn't elicit this type of reaction. Make no mistake, I tried defending you, I tried discussing things with you, I tried explaining things to you, I tried excusing you. But you persist in believing this idiotic and dangerous idea you have is a flash of genius and just will not be told why you are wrong.
4) No, no you don't. You want to tell everyone you have had this genius idea (that we should restrict where we acquire players form and base our whole squad formation around), and will not be told that it is a silly, stupid and offensive idea...no matter who it is telling you, how carefully they try to explain, or how many other posters agree with them.
5) No, no it isn't - it is clear that you have a silly, stuipid and offensive idea, and just will not stop making basically the same post on it, over and over again.
6) No, it isn't fine. You have been told over and over again that your idea is offensive to a great many people on here, and also stupid. That are still making the same post and then still coming back with this type of pathetic reply.
7) But I have something about the fact that you just will not accept that this idea that you have is silly, wrong adn offensive.
8) The day I have to consider you to be my enemy is the day I will have come down in the World one very big notch. I have told over and over again that this idea you have is silly, stupid and offensive not because you are my enemy but becuase it is silly, stupid and offensive.
9) No, no you don't. You have taken hold of an idea, that African players can be good and good bargains and made it into a dogma, so that, rather than seeing it as a useful, but not exclusive tool in team building and player acquisition, it is the only mantra you seem capable of understanding. And it makes you say stupid things. It makes you overestimate the quality of players just because they are African. It makes you underestimate the quality of players just because they aren't African. It makes you have stupid ideas like the one in this thread, that we should sell Parker and buy Mulumbu, and then sbuy Tiote, even though it is explained to you that if we bought Tiote it wouldn't be at Parker's expense but Sandro's, and the whole debate is pointless because we don't need to do any business in this department as our options are very good, and you still will not listen. You then list all of ourbest players, who happen to be white, and say it would be fine to sell them. It is this stupid idea that you have that is making you say this, and then get into arguments trying to defend it. It is a stupid idea. We don't have any need of Mulumbu - that is why every single other poster has said we have no need of him. And if we bought Tiote it is highly unlikely that we would be keeping Sandro.
10) It is not one step ahead. In every single post I have made in response to you, in recent months, and there have been a few, I have said that everyone (more-or-less) knew that good players were coming out of Africa in the 1980s, and that they could be good bargains. You aren't telling us anything we didn't know. The only thing you are telling us is that we shuold concentrate all of our squad building efforts to this one geographical area, and one racial group. The former is niave, the latter is offensive. I do not care where players come from or what colour their skin is, that is the one step ahead anyone here needs to accept, and that is you.
11) Oh, shut up. That, that there is offensive, and stupid. No-one is even discussing any style of play, I am telling you that your idea, your one, sole, idea, is stupid, That's all. The fact that you think that anyone who doesn't want to accept your idea is somehow reatrded into wanting to stick to an old style of play, is possibly the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.
12) Why should you ask that? Do you think we did bad business buying Bale, Modric and VDV? The fact is, you champion players who are clearly not up to the level we want, just because of where they are from and the colour of their skin - and that is a stupid, stupid idea.
13) No, really, I have to make no such admission. Most of the players you mention are inferior players, most of the players you would get rid of are exceptional players. You overrate some, and underrate others based on the colour of their skin and the geographical location they grrew up in - and you want to use this as the basis of squad building. It is a stupid idea. It is an offensive idea.
14) Yes, so does Daniel Levy. I would rather have him in charge than you. His ideas have improved the club, your ideas would destroy it.
15) Of course I do, you muppet. The fact that your idea is stupid and I tell you it is doesn't mean I don;t want the club to be successful. It means that your idea is stupid and offensive - simple as that.

Please, someone, ban this idiot.

 

[StartingPrice]

It is not just the overprice. It is how you build a team. What you see as a good team. I want Spurs to have an exiting team.

I know it can be somewhat puerile to ridicule typos - but this has to be the most apt typo I have ever seen.
SpursKing, if you had your way exiting would be right - we would probably get relegated

 

[mpickard2087]

I know it can be somewhat puerile to ridicule typos - but this has to be the most apt typo I have ever seen.
SpursKing, if you had you way exiting would be right - we would oprobably get relegated

It is, but I had no hesitation

 

[r_baker]

i havent been on here long, but reading this i cant quite decide whether this 'Spursking' is for real or not?

so could somebody set me straight? - does he honestly believe that we should sell our team and refill it with low cost african players?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

i havent been on here long, but reading this i cant quite decide whether this 'Spursking' is for real or not?

so could somebody set me straight? - does he honestly believe that we should sell our team and refill it with low cost african players?

Yes, that's basically it in a nutshell. He's been harping on about it for years.

 

[StartingPrice]

i havent been on here long, but reading this i cant quite decide whether this 'Spursking' is for real or not?

so could somebody set me straight? - does he honestly believe that we should sell our team and refill it with low cost african players?

As SB says.
And like I said in my post, I started off humouring him, trying to defend him as someone who just needed to understand that you can't just transpose one sound business strategy among many into a mantra that has to be followed regardless (ignoring the half-arsed racial bis for a moment), trying to reason with him, trying to explain to him - it all goes on deaf ears.
I have pointed out the obvious flaws in his idea, the obvious drawbacks in his idea, the dangerous implications of his idea.
I have demonstrated that if you apply exactly the same reasoning only with a different racial group and a different focus, you would be banned form he quick time.
I've tried shouting at him.
I've suggested he is niave.
I stated bluntly that he is a WUM.
Nothing works, he is just totally convinced that no-one else has ever thought about buying good, especially young, players, in cheap markets, even though clubs have always done that if they could, and that no-one else has noticed that Africa produces good players, even though I have pointed out to him in every post for ages that everyone knew this in the 1980s - it's hardly a revelation.

I've explained to him the rapid strides African football has made (they now have stadia bigger than OT for club teams), and that pretty soon they will be bargaining as hard as South American clubs now do, over player fees. They no longer jsut all run around barefoot, playing in muddy fields until the Great White Hunter offers the tribal chief a string of beads for Didier Drogba

And it's not just me, plenty of other posters have done much the same.

He always goes quite for a while, and then claims we haven't understood the genius odf his idea. That we are rooted in old style football (like, WTF). That we don't want the club to succeed

It's like he is a cult member and no amount of reasoning will get him to see common sense. This is his focal point for living, and ion all the time he has been on this site and in almost every post he has made, this has been his one theme and the content of his posts.

I have explained to him that if he wants to make a living scouting these players, and it works for him, fair play to him, but a top team can't restrict itself to one race or geographical location in team building.

Maybe you have a suggestion, I'm beat

 

[Spursking]

I accept that you don't agree with me. No problem at all. You have to read a bit between the lines as well, when I write.
This is a discussion forum, and we want a real discussion.

I agree with a few things that you write as well, but I never slag you off because of your opinion. We want a friendly discussion, and we accept that others can have a different opinion.

Fair Play in discussion as well.

 

[StartingPrice]

I accept that you don't agree with me. No problem at all. You have to read a bit between the lines as well, when I write.
This is a discussion forum, and we want a real discussion.

I agree with a few things that you write as well, but I never slag you off because of your opinion. We want a friendly discussion, and we accept that others can have a different opinion.

Fair Play in discussion as well.

Sorry, SK, I've told you this before: I really don;t think you mean this maliciously, but while you believe we should select players based solely on race or geographical location it is not just about having different opinions. It is about you having a belief that is not very intelligent, in footballing terms, but, more importantly, has dangerous implication . On top of that, as has been explained to you, several times, now, suggesting that African players are bigger and stronger is only true in the most simplistic of terms, and bigger and stronger players just don't make better players, and there is no reason to believe players of the same race born on different continents are somehow physically superior/inferior. Not to mention the question of people of mixed race, that you consistently refuse to adress at all.

In this instance, as I took great pains to explain to you, we have absolutely no need to mess with our options for this position, Parker with Sandro to cover/compete with him, and, at the same time, learn from him (you need to understand this, Sandro will be a better player for having Parker to leasrn from), and Livermore to cover both of them. There are areas of the pitch that we really do need to make changes - we can't make changes all over the pitch in one transfer window, and even if we did, it is just point blank wrong to seek to have these changes dictated by selecting players of only one race/geographical location. And just because, in this middle of this, I say I rate Tiote, it doesn't mean it is somehow going to change any of the above - our options for this position do not need to be tinkered with, other position do, and, as I explained to you, if we bought Tiote the end result would much more likely be the sale of Sandro than of Parker.

You just cannot select players based on colour of skin or geographical location - ever. Each individual has to be judged on his (or, in the wider World, her) personal merits and abilities.

You have been doing this for 8 years now, on this site, and you have been told this many, many times. It is the only thing you ever say and it is wrong. Not only that, but telling people that good players can be found in Africa is hardly news to most of us, most of us knew this in the 1980s. If you want to make a career for unearthing good, young talent in Africa, really, that is fine; but you just cannot keep telling everyone that black/African players are better, bigger and stronger than everyone else and that should be the basis of THFCs selection policy. Why do you think no team has done this? Why do you think a team doesn't just go to the Olympics and buy the first 25 100 metre runners? You have to stop coming into threads and suggesting we get rid of all of our best players, because they don't fit this very limited criteria. Occasionally suggesting that a player you have been looking at may be a good option for Spurs is one thing, and that is okay, but only occasionally.

As I said, I try not to get angry with you, because I don't think you mean anything malicious, but you have to seriously start really listening to what others have been telling you, rather than insisting that this is just your opinion, and refusing to change it. Otherswise you will elicit the same reaction every time you do...and you have to ask yourself why you get the same reaction every time you post for 8 years, consistently.

 

[Spursking]

I don't think you understand what I mean. I would also have white players in my team if they have special attributes. Of course a player like Messi for example would be in my so called dream team.
You get me wrong when you say that it is just to sign any african player, and we are fine. That is not the case at all, but I have to admit that I have probably said that a few times, where it is quite obvious that it is something you need to read between the lines. In certain positions, I mean that you need stronger and bigger players. That does include defensive positions and defensive midfielders. A big striker is also in my opinion vital. I would say that Adebayor has been one of our best strikers in resent years.

Drogba has scored for fun on the other side of London, Adebayor used to play for another team in London. Lassana Diarra played also played for both clubs, and he is now in Real Madrid.

The thing you say about bringing in Tiote and selling Sandro is for me strange. I would rather have two relatively young midfielders. We have sell on value on Parker now, and we should get him off the book, in my opinion. He is a good player, but sometimes you need to think business, and bring in someone new. We all know that there are many players out there who can do the same job as Scott Parker. The top Champions League teams would never sign a player like Parker now.

I would suggest that you put yourself in a situation where you where the director of a top club. You need a hardworking midfielder, and Parker was available. You would never buy him as a top Champions League Club. You would choose a younger, but experienced midfielder.

I find it hard to continue this discussion if you don't agree on this.....

 

[Snuzzy]

I named the 3 worst black/french players I could think of that played for Liverpool in recent times, players universally acknowledged - including by Liverpool fans - to be flops, and without exception you rated them highly.

For me, that's end of discussion...



...except to ask your opinion of Salif Diao.

 

[Spursking]

I named the 3 worst black/french players I could think of that played for Liverpool in recent times, players universally acknowledged - including by Liverpool fans - to be flops, and without exception you rated them highly.

For me, that's end of discussion...



...except to ask your opinion of Salif Diao.

It does not surprise me at all the many Liverpool fans didn't or don't rate players like Sissoko, Sinama-Pongolle and Traore.
When you look at Liverpool now, they have worse players than all of them - in 2012!

Salif Diao: He did not fit in at Liverpool, but it does not mean that he is a bad player. I rate him as a player who holds a good level of football, but not a CL standard. Still better than many other players who are playing in the Premier League in 2012.

 

[Snuzzy]

...and there you have it.

 

[Spursking]

...and there you have it.

You are probably one of them who rates Spearing as a better player than Salif Diao.

 

[SpurSince57]

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Ok, SK, we get the argument.

 

[bilburger]

I am 34 years old - i.e. 30 years too old for this thread. Grow up people.

 

[StartingPrice]

I am 34 years old - i.e. 30 years too old for this thread. Grow up people.

Sorry?
I can see one poster wha has been a problem for 8 years, who has once again highjacked a thread, and who peddles foolish, dangerous ideas, that I believe should be countered.
I can't see that my contribution is something I should grop up from.
I can see that after 8 years of tying to explain to someone, very patiently, what is wrong with this one idea, I am getting a tad frustrated...if I am missing something, perhaps you could enlighten me.