The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

Drexl · May 7, 2014

They all have disadvantages

Poch - Won jack shit, sacked at last job, doubts about English
De Boer - Won in joke league, dull style of play
Benitez - Dull style of football, divisive personality

On balance we should go all out for Benitez, at least he a proven winner

Spurs1 · May 7, 2014

They all have disadvantages
Poch - Won jack shit, sacked at last job, doubts about English
De Boer - Won in joke league, dull style of play
Benitez - Dull style of football, divisive personality
On balance we should go all out for Benitez, at least he a proven winner

poch was sacked at his last job????

Drexl · May 7, 2014

Spurs1 said:
poch was sacked at his last job????

Thought he was sacked by Espanyol?

Spurs1 · May 7, 2014

just read up, it was mutual consent. so yea your prob right

Mr Pink · May 7, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
You do need to quantify this statement.

I just did lol

THFCSPURS19 · May 7, 2014

Drexl said:
They all have disadvantages

Poch - Won jack shit, sacked at last job, doubts about English
De Boer - Won in joke league, dull style of play
Benitez - Dull style of football, divisive personality

On balance we should go all out for Benitez, at least he a proven winner

Have you actually ever watched them?

Breezer · May 7, 2014

Drexl said:
They all have disadvantages

Poch - Won jack shit, sacked at last job, doubts about English
De Boer - Won in joke league, dull style of play
Benitez - Dull style of football, divisive personality

On balance we should go all out for Benitez, at least he a proven winner

Basically we're F*****!!!!! lol

Blackrat1299 · May 7, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:

Could be timmy rimmimg!

OPModric · May 7, 2014

Drexl said:
They all have disadvantages

Poch - Won jack shit, sacked at last job, doubts about English
De Boer - Won in joke league, dull style of play
Benitez - Dull style of football, divisive personality

On balance we should go all out for Benitez, at least he a proven winner

Well, Ajax had not won that joke league in 7 years before De Boers four straight wins.

Blackrat1299 · May 7, 2014

Larryjanta said:
Also, who decides deserving? It will, surely, be different for everyone.

some will want experience, others raw talent
some will want proof of winning, others will want prem experience
some will want flair, others will want solidity

there are a couple of managers in the world who can.tick multiple boxes and we're damn sure not deserving of them so it leaves us with a compromise. Trouble is,our fans what it all and think its our divine right to get it which inevitably leads to disappointment,in fighting and, within 18 months, the boot.

I want one who has got all 6!

Mr Pink · May 7, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
That's kind of the point. I don't hate Pochettino and I don't think he's a bad manager by any stretch of the imagination

BUT

What we need right now is exactly what you've said Pochettino isn't. Someone like De Boer as a player has won things at the highest level and De Boer has managed at the highest level (Champions League) and has got some very good results in the CL. And we mustn't forget that he's won 4 league titles in a row.

FDB please.

There's different ways to look at this. FDB is a winner, yes, and has done very well with Ajax. However, I have fears over him. He has no experience in this League and there are similarities with AVB's style that scare me shitless if I'm being honest.

Now I know you can't rule people out because they havn't managed here before, that would be very foolish, but it does enter my thinking when comparing other candidates who have managed here - and done so successfully.

Going back to the point on style, what worries me is FDB comes in and thinks he can impart the same methodology on this squad more effectively than AVB did, and it costs us more time for him to realise he hasn't the tools to play this way - or to the standard required.

Now he might come in and we could move the ball really well under him, playing possession football, high line etc, but I'd be staggered in all honesty - unless he were to make serious changes to the squad.

FDB could be the best appointment long term, I really don't know, but I think he would be the one were we need to show most patience with. I also worry that even with more of the right tools to play that way a lot of teams below us in the table would still find it relatively easy to defend against us. Sit deep, stay compact and organised and it can be very difficult to break down. I know you could make an argument that playing any style you'll still struggle in those scenarios, but IMO it exacerbates it even further.

Heaven forbid we're moving the ball as slowly as we did under AVB, that's my biggest fear.

Pochettino, has Southampton playing with such intensity. Their pressing is aggressive, and on the ball they'e very fluid, moving the ball about with real zip. Their passing and movement is really sharp, that's what's impressed me - and their understanding as a collective.

I just see that as being more risk free. And when you consider how quickly he implemented his ideas and methods and couple that with our impatience levels, in the stands and board room, I see that as another huge pluss.
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Don't get me wrong FBD could be the best long term choice, but my instinct is telling me that Pochettino's style would serve us better - in this League anyway.

Also the connotation attached to FDB is a bit of a glamour appointment, so its no wonder a lot would go for him.

Pochettino does come with some risk though, I totally accept that. Man management with bigger players etc...unproven.

But the evidence on the pitch should be the biggest measurement for judgement, and if he can apply his methods successfully here - within a similar time frame, I don't see how he wouldn't acquire the respect of the squad here to.

Breezer · May 7, 2014

OPModric said:
Well, Ajax had not won that joke league in 7 years before De Boers four straight wins.

They also scored just under 100 league goals with their dull style of play.

$hoguN · May 7, 2014

Breezer said:
They also scored just under 100 league goals with their dull style of play.

Also since De Boer started his job at Ajax, he has continually lost his best players like Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, van der Weil, Stekelenberg and Atouba!!

$hoguN · May 7, 2014

If you took Lalana (sp?), Rodriguez and Shaw from Poch, would he still keep Southampton performing at their current level? As that is basically what De Boer has been doing at Ajax.

spursfan77 · May 7, 2014

OPModric said:
Well, Ajax had not won that joke league in 7 years before De Boers four straight wins.

I suspect people's opinions on Holland being a joke league might change during the world cup when the Dutch do well and people see that the majority of their squad is made up of players playing in Holland.

spursfan77 · May 7, 2014

Mr Pink said:
There's different ways to look at this. FDB is a winner, yes, and has done very well with Ajax. However, I have fears over him. He has no experience in this League and there are similarities with AVB's style that scare me shitless if I'm being honest.

Now I know you can't rule people out because they havn't managed here before, that would be very foolish, but it does enter my thinking when comparing other candidates who have managed here - and done so successfully.

Going back to the point on style, what worries me is FDB comes in and thinks he can impart the same methodology on this squad more effectively than AVB did, and it costs us more time for him to realise he hasn't the tools to play this way - or to the standard required.

Now he might come in and we could move the ball really well under him, playing possession football, high line etc, but I'd be staggered in all honesty - unless he were to make serious changes to the squad.

FDB could be the best appointment long term, I really don't know, but I think he would be the one were we need to show most patience with. I also worry that even with more of the right tools to play that way a lot of teams below us in the table would still find it relatively easy to defend against us. Sit deep, stay compact and organised and it can be very difficult to break down. I know you could make an argument that playing any style you'll still struggle in those scenarios, but IMO it exacerbates it even further.

Heaven forbid we're moving the ball as slowly as we did under AVB, that's my biggest fear.

Pochettino, has Southampton playing with such intensity. Their pressing is aggressive, and on the ball they'e very fluid, moving the ball about with real zip. Their passing and movement is really sharp, that's what's impressed me - and their understanding as a collective,

I just see that as being more risk free. And when you consider how quickly he implemented his ideas and methods and couple that with our impatience levels, in the stands and board room, I see that as another huge pluss.
,
Don't get me wrong FBD could be the best long term choice, but my instinct is telling me that Pochettino's style would serve us better - in this League anyway.

Also the connotation attached to FDB is a bit of a glamour appointment, so its no wonder a lot would go for him.

Pochettino does come with some risk though, I totally accept that. Man management with bigger players etc...unproven.

But the evidence on the pitch should be the biggest measurement for judgement, and if he can apply his methods successfully here - within a similar time frame, I don't see how he wouldn't acquire the respect of the squad here to.

I'm not too worried about managers not having experience in this league if they've managed successfully in another country. The Premier League is everywhere. They will have watch hundreds of Premier League games and will know all the players, they've been to a few of the grounds in their playing or managerial career and so know the atmospheres.

A prepared coach will watch games of their rivals before they play them so I don't think he would be under prepared if De Boer did that. The only thing that he might struggle with is if there is much difference between the media in Holland and England.

TottenhamMattSpur · May 7, 2014

spursfan77 said:
I suspect people's opinions on Holland being a joke league might change during the world cup when the Dutch do well and people see that the majority of their squad is made up of players playing in Holland.

I think it's based on strikers scoring for fun there then failing in the PL quite often. Think Bruno Alves, Kezman etc.

THFCSPURS19 · May 7, 2014

Mr Pink said:
There's different ways to look at this. FDB is a winner, yes, and has done very well with Ajax. However, I have fears over him. He has no experience in this League and there are similarities with AVB's style that scare me shitless if I'm being honest.

Now I know you can't rule people out because they havn't managed here before, that would be very foolish, but it does enter my thinking when comparing other candidates who have managed here - and done so successfully

There are many similarities between Pochettino's and AVB's styles. The only difference is that Poch has applied it effectively while AVB fucked it up.

When people say that getting a foreign manager is a risk, I always look back to Mourinho. Now, I'm obviously not saying FDB will be our Mourinho but it shows that getting a foreign manager can work magically.

Personally, I would go for trophies over PL experience- ideally, you would wan't both which is why many people on here want Benitez.

SpartanSpur · May 7, 2014

Apologies if already shared but:-

Paul Smith‏@Smudge1962 1h
Tottenham will not pursue their interest in Ajax's Frank de Boer paving the way for Mauricio Pochettino to become their new boss #THFC

Former chief football correspondent at two papers.

Not looking good for FDB. Although could just be us cooling down publically ahead of Sherwood's settlement...

Breezer · May 7, 2014

$hoguN said:
Also since De Boer started his job at Ajax, he has continually lost his best players like Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, van der Weil, Stekelenberg and Atouba!!

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