The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th August 2015

SpartanSpur · Aug 20, 2015

jair1970 said:
We might not like it but the sunnier climes of Italy and a CL team might just appeal more than us. Then again, maybe not.
We have to be in with a shout

Of course we are in with a shout, by all accounts he's ours IF no CL side comes in by 1st September.

Edit: 5 optimistic ratings but clearly that is the message given from various sources. At no point do I say I think he's signing as I'm actually pretty sure a CL club will come in. He's not staying at RM, he's happy to come but only if no CL club comes in, not hard to understand. Edited to make it clearer.

S17PUR · Aug 20, 2015

This does all seem a little odd. I would like to think that we wouldn't let Illarramendi hold off until deadline day, because we know how that one ends. Why the loan deal though - if the figures touted are accurate then surely we can afford to buy him outright and even if he did fail could sell him on at no loss?

mill · Aug 20, 2015

van_Pommel said:
Thing I don't get with the DM situation, is what's taking so long. I would think the Kramer and Bender deals would be pretty straight forward. The clubs don't want to sell so they'll name a high price, and Levy will either pay it or he won't. Then it's just down to whether the players want to come or not. We don't need to wait till deadline day to work those out. If the clubs don't want to sell, then they're not suddenly going to drop the price on deadline day. Or are they?

Well leverkusen lost the first leg of their CL qualifier Tuesday, so if they don't end up qualifying it could effect kramer 's availability, I still don't think we'll get him if they go out tbh

Parkie · Aug 20, 2015

eddiev14 said:
Poch was meant to do his press conference an hour ago. Why the delay?

Waiting to unviel a new player!?

Sadly no.

Although his inability to add an s to words when speaking is really annoying.
Not sure if we have A player or playerS coming in soon...
He said attacking player (s?) are/is the priority (but he is happy with his squad) and that the chairman is working on it. Some of what he said sounded like there is more than one deal being worked on and other bits like there is only one deal in the offing.
Interesting that he said "attacking player" rather than striker: backs up the view that he wants flexibility and versatile players.

mill · Aug 20, 2015

S17PUR said:
This does all seem a little odd. I would like to think that we wouldn't let Illarramendi hold off until deadline day, because we know how that one ends. Why the loan deal though - if the figures touted are accurate then surely we can afford to buy him outright and even if he did fail could sell him on at no loss?

Seeing as the itk is saying he's seeing what other options he has maybe he's not convinced about joining us permanently, a year on loan at Spurs and he's in the shop window, maybe we're worried he won't adjust to the PL, could be many reasons. loans are becoming a lot more regular over the last couple of years

Cyspurs · Aug 20, 2015

eddiev14 said:
Poch was meant to do his press conference an hour ago. Why the delay?

Waiting to unviel a new player!?

Why only one? That would only cause half an hour delay. Must be at least two!

SpartanSpur · Aug 20, 2015

S17PUR said:
This does all seem a little odd. I would like to think that we wouldn't let Illarramendi hold off until deadline day, because we know how that one ends. Why the loan deal though - if the figures touted are accurate then surely we can afford to buy him outright and even if he did fail could sell him on at no loss?

Potentially to avoid lengthy negotiations on the fee so late in the window also

Nigel Spinal · Aug 20, 2015

SpartanSpur said:
Potentially to avoid lengthy negotiations on the fee so late in the window also

The fee has been quoted as £15m all summer long, which also seems quite reasonable.

Madrid don't seem to mind letting players they don't want go cheaply to non-rivals - see Rafa

Japhet · Aug 20, 2015

SpartanSpur said:
Potentially to avoid lengthy negotiations on the fee so late in the window also

Good point. I'd imagine a loan would have a buy option attached which would need a price fixed to it as well though - in which case negotiations would be complete. At least a loan would enable us to assess him though.

mil1lion · Aug 20, 2015

Why the confusion over a loan deal for Illaramendi? The way I read it is that we're still pushing for our first options Kramer or Bender. If neither comes off then we try for Illaramendi on loan so as not to end up with no defensive midfielder. It's not our preference to loan him but if it comes to it then it's better than nothing.

longtimespur · Aug 20, 2015

I'm afraid our place in the queue is well and truly exposed by these situations.

We can't compete with the bigger teams financially and if we don't have CL then players will only chose us if they aren't wanted by a team who is. :cry:

SpartanSpur · Aug 20, 2015

Nigel Spinal said:
The fee has been quoted as £15m all summer long, which also seems quite reasonable.

Madrid don't seem to mind letting players they don't want go cheaply to non-rivals - see Rafa

Could be for numerous reasons, but thats what's been reported. Of course I'd rather us sign him outright, and that might even be the case in the end.

I'd hope theres a built in clause to sign him if he does come on loan. Also agreeing a figure is not the same as how and when the fee will be paid, so could be why we go for a loan late on.

mil1lion · Aug 20, 2015

I would guess that the reason Illaramendi not our 1st choice (if that is the case) would be because of said loan deal being offered

Sum Monsterism · Aug 20, 2015

I think a loan makes perfect sense. Lad does good, he's in a good position to get a good deal from us - and we would presumably make it worth his while cos he just proved he cuts it over an extended period... He's done his bedding in, loves the club, fans and his new city.

Lad does bad, then we don't have a big loss.

joelstinton14 · Aug 20, 2015

longtimespur said:
I'm afraid our place in the queue is well and truly exposed by these situations.

We can't compete with the bigger teams financially and if we don't have CL then players will only chose us if they aren't wanted by a team who is.

Totally. And Illarramendi is at that age where he be entering his prime soon - age 25 i think, so there will be a lot of clubs with tabs on him and he himself must be aware that the next few years will define his footballing career. So i can totally understand if he were to assess his options.

There must be 10's of players each transfers window that we go through certain formalities just to even register our interest, who end up at 'bigger' clubs, so In a way it great to see off the pitch stuff being laid out to help our chances in this regard- Training facilities and stadium are vital to making that next step up.

I think the general move to mid 2000 transfer policy of young players is a good move by our club, although i would also like to see the experience come into too (ala davids, VDV, gallas) which i think would add much stablity too our squad.

SpartanSpur · Aug 20, 2015

Sum Monsterism said:
I think a loan makes perfect sense. Lad does good, he's in a good position to get a good deal from us - and we would presumably make it worth his while cos he just proved he cuts it over an extended period... He's done his bedding in, loves the club, fans and his new city.

Lad does bad, then we don't have a big loss.

Not disagreeing as such but Soton fans probably thought the same about Toby last season.

That said I would be very happy even if we only had him on loan.

longtimespur · Aug 20, 2015

joelstinton14 said:
Totally. And Illarramendi is at that age where he be entering his prime soon - age 25 i think, so there will be a lot of clubs with tabs on him and he himself must be aware that the next few years will define his footballing career. So i can totally understand if he were to assess his options.

There must be 10's of players each transfers window that we go through certain formalities just to even register our interest, who end up at 'bigger' clubs, so In a way it great to see off the pitch stuff being laid out to help our chances in this regard- Training facilities and stadium are vital to making that next step up.

I think the general move to mid 2000 transfer policy of young players is a good move by our club, although i would also like to see the experience come into too (ala davids, VDV, gallas) which i think would add much stablity too our squad.

Yes we could certainly do with some real experience in our young squad :whistle:

yankspurs · Aug 20, 2015

Wrt the Hertyid info, that is why cryptics that go on for 2 months are dangerous. It was made abundantly clear that one of the cabbages(Evans) was no longer of interest and no longer wanted when Toby was signed.

Whoever bought that info over there about Chicharito and Evans either forgot that key piece of information or just didnt realize how old the info actually was. Probably caused a meltdown over there that hertyid then had to put out :ROFLMAO:

Always nice when jay throw his hat back into the itk ring again with the odd bits of info too. That was a nice treat this morning

ackie · Aug 20, 2015

Illamerenda: I don't want to sound doom and gloom but I think that he would prefer Liverpool to us and with Besiktas close on Leiva, maybe they would go in for him now.
At this moment in time I don't see any CL clubs in England or Spain (I believe would be his preferred choice) in for him.
I also believe that if Man City sign De Bruyne then that may clear the way for SB, but Man U or Arsenal still have unfinished business.

SpartanSpur · Aug 20, 2015

ackie said:
Illamerenda: I don't want to sound doom and gloom but I think that he would prefer Liverpool to us and with Besiktas close on Leiva, maybe they would go in for him now.
At this moment in time I don't see any CL clubs in England or Spain (I believe would be his preferred choice) in for him.
I also believe that if Man City sign De Bruyne then that may clear the way for SB, but Man U or Arsenal still have unfinished business.

Reports in Spain seem to think he could be going back to Real Sociedad, which you'd hope we could top but then again he did have success there.

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