Lighty64
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The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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Lighty64
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if I'm totally honest I think both are, Toby has been good, but nowhere near as before the hamstring. if I could make a wish a dominating CB that can head the ball and with power.
soup
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After he said this, November 2018, I don't know if this belief has ever come back...
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"We started games always thinking we were going to win. Playing against Manchester United or Chelsea, the opponent wasn't important. The most important thing was that your belief was bigger than everything -- and at the moment, that condition is not the same.
"We're waiting to move to the new stadium because it's a massive and fantastic stadium and [we can] start to build that belief that we can beat everyone and be consistent during the season to try to fight for big things."
It was all in his hands to take that final step into the new stadium off the back of the CL run, and he sounded like he couldn't wait to take us there. All I've seen since we've moved in is a moody, petulant and outspoken version of Poch who is the shadow of the man he was in that 16/17 season.
I still can't believe this all just collapsed so suddenly. What the fuck happened? For a moment, everyone wanted to come here, the world and his wife wanted to play for Poch, apparently. Now, half the team he actually coaches don't want to play for him, and the ones that did come are getting 3 minutes here and there.
This Brave New World, is not anything new, it's not brave it's just so stubborn that it's bewildering.
Tottenham have lost top-six 'belief' - Pochettino
Spurs were undefeated at home throughout the 2016-17 campaign and beat Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United in front of their own.
www.espn.co.uk
"We started games always thinking we were going to win. Playing against Manchester United or Chelsea, the opponent wasn't important. The most important thing was that your belief was bigger than everything -- and at the moment, that condition is not the same.
"We're waiting to move to the new stadium because it's a massive and fantastic stadium and [we can] start to build that belief that we can beat everyone and be consistent during the season to try to fight for big things."
It was all in his hands to take that final step into the new stadium off the back of the CL run, and he sounded like he couldn't wait to take us there. All I've seen since we've moved in is a moody, petulant and outspoken version of Poch who is the shadow of the man he was in that 16/17 season.
I still can't believe this all just collapsed so suddenly. What the fuck happened? For a moment, everyone wanted to come here, the world and his wife wanted to play for Poch, apparently. Now, half the team he actually coaches don't want to play for him, and the ones that did come are getting 3 minutes here and there.
This Brave New World, is not anything new, it's not brave it's just so stubborn that it's bewildering.
glacierSpurs
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Nobody really wants him sacked. We just want the old Poch back. ?
Spurs72
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7-2 Embarrassing.
3-0 Embarrassing .
Carling Cup exit to who was it Rochdale, Embarrassing .
Poch still being in a Job is a joke now.
That locker room needs a new voice, Poch is picking the same garbage players and they are not playing for us, what's this picking Eriksen over and over, what's the bloody definition of insanity?
Why did we spend 50+ Million on Ndombele, why.
I love Poch but he has won 0, and now we are just a joke, Enough is Enough.
3-0 Embarrassing .
Carling Cup exit to who was it Rochdale, Embarrassing .
Poch still being in a Job is a joke now.
That locker room needs a new voice, Poch is picking the same garbage players and they are not playing for us, what's this picking Eriksen over and over, what's the bloody definition of insanity?
Why did we spend 50+ Million on Ndombele, why.
I love Poch but he has won 0, and now we are just a joke, Enough is Enough.
TC18
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I don’t want him to get the boot either but I think it’s getting to that point. The media have gone easy on him given the results, but even they are turning and to continue to play Eriksen is criminal, he clearly doesn’t want to be here.
It just has that old familiar feeling we are so used to before a manager is sacked. A loss away to Everton and I think that will seal it imo.
Chimbo!
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I think it’s the same Poch. It’s just that we’re losing. Poch in 2016 would have been just as stroppy if we lost all the time!
Chimbo!
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Tbf he played Eriksen because Lamela was injured. Though playing Rose, Eriksen and Aurier in the same team has been a disaster all season. He shouldn’t have done that.
on Everton, I don’tthink we should approach it as if he loses next game, we sack him. One game is really a matter of chance. Any decision on his future should be made on a cold assessment of his performance over time, and whether our problems are solved by a change of manager.
i don’t believe removing Poch helps us. We still have the same poor performing players. Long term we need to rebuild. Poch builtthe best spurs team of my lifetime. I back him to do it again. Heck, no other spurs manager in my lifetime made us anywhere near as good as Poch. And I don’t want to wait another 30 years for another good manager. Good players are plentiful; good managers are rare.
TC18
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I don’t think it will be assessed based on a poor result against Everton, just that it would be the final nail in the coffin after some poor form.
Your last paragraph I completely agree with for what it’s worth...
gibbospurs
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He’s fucked himself really, if he played Davies then he would of been targeted for his lack of pace. Foyth on the right would also of got done physically and mobility wise. It’s all down to not replacing walker 2 years ago or Tripps when he left. Rose issue is a bit different, he looked ok the back end of last season I thought. So to expect the decline he has had can’t really be put on Poch.
glacierSpurs
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I very much want him gone. But you know, there is just this unwilling sadness of letting someone you once loved go, like in a relationship, when looking back at some memories created together.
jolsnogross
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I think Poch would probably survive a whole season of midtable mediocrity to be honest. And maybe he's earned that, although he'd be pushing his luck. We have been really abysmal this season and it's hard to think a turnaround will materialize quickly - winning and losing become habitual.
I don't really buy into the narrative that last season was a rot that was covered up. We kinda freakishly made it to the CL final and that just dominated everyone's agenda - as it should do. It may have been a once in generations opportunity/achievement. And we still managed to scrape CL qualification, mainly through the hilarious failure of others, but still did it.
We appear to have a misplaced arrogance about us at the minute, with players sauntering around instead of really pressuring or tackling and looking a little surprised when the opposition scores as a result of it. The Brighton game - the "pressure' on the cross for the 1st and on the goalscorer for the 3rd goals in particular - were 'classic' versions. This is who we've become this season and it's a simple lack of effort and application that underlies a lack of conviction.
I hope Poch wants to be here and if not they should just amicably wrap it up. And if he wants to be here, then we really need a playing identity again that isn't so reactive and fearful of what the opposition will do. We need more hunger for goals and attacking footy. I don't know why, but the entire club have been ok with slow starts for years - even when we were really good - and it has to stop.
And we need to put an end to Aurier's Spurs career, along with Eriksen's.
I don't really buy into the narrative that last season was a rot that was covered up. We kinda freakishly made it to the CL final and that just dominated everyone's agenda - as it should do. It may have been a once in generations opportunity/achievement. And we still managed to scrape CL qualification, mainly through the hilarious failure of others, but still did it.
We appear to have a misplaced arrogance about us at the minute, with players sauntering around instead of really pressuring or tackling and looking a little surprised when the opposition scores as a result of it. The Brighton game - the "pressure' on the cross for the 1st and on the goalscorer for the 3rd goals in particular - were 'classic' versions. This is who we've become this season and it's a simple lack of effort and application that underlies a lack of conviction.
I hope Poch wants to be here and if not they should just amicably wrap it up. And if he wants to be here, then we really need a playing identity again that isn't so reactive and fearful of what the opposition will do. We need more hunger for goals and attacking footy. I don't know why, but the entire club have been ok with slow starts for years - even when we were really good - and it has to stop.
And we need to put an end to Aurier's Spurs career, along with Eriksen's.
EastLondonYid
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It was Colchester btw, but pretty sure Rochdale would have done us too.
Nah mate, the definition of insanity is questioning why we spent 50mil on one of the best young midfielders worldwide, who was been one of our better performers, settling in well in an underperforming team. One of the few positives.
You had a decent point up to then, but you lost me
spursfan77
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That means we’ve slipped behind Arsenal in that table too. We are worse defensively than even them. A team we used to take the piss out of about how soft and easy they are to get at.
spursfan77
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Remember with Vertonghen though, he’s not afraid to down tools or reduce his intensity when he’s not happy. He was the first to ask for a transfer under Sherwood and I remember that photo of him before we lost 4 nil at Liverpool when he looked so nonplussed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what’s happening now.
Edit: I just saw this. Wonder if Inter came in for him at the end of the window, we said no and he threw a strop?
Inter eye summer move for Vertonghen after Spurs rule out January switch
Internazionale will make a summer move for Jan Vertonghen after Tottenham rule out January switch
www.theguardian.com
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tobi
Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
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They can play together as long as Poch stops playing Lucas in a front two.
His best position is right wing/forward, it's odd that he very rarely plays there for us.
He doesn't have the nous to play centrally like Kane (or Son when deputising) but he can cause damage as a wide forward.
He needs to work on his off the ball movement though, its average at best. Hopefully he's been paying attention to the chemistry Son and Ndombele have built over a short time.
doctor stefan Freud
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Only if you play a dogshit diamond does that happen. Moura can definitely play as a wide forward, the system is currently wrong for him and Kane but play a 433 with Son and Moura wide of Kane and you end up stretching a defence that opens up gaps somewhere. Those three are designed to exploit gaps, and with a solid midfield three behind them- Sissoko to close down space, Ndombele and GLC to retain possession and offer quick transitions- we’d be much more cohesive and dangerous again.
Obviously, quick dynamic fullbacks overlapping Moura and Son would
also be required, but one thing at a time
Shadydan
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Remember with Vertonghen though, he’s not afraid to down tools or reduce his intensity when he’s not happy. He was the first to ask for a transfer under Sherwood and I remember that photo of him before we lost 4 nil at Liverpool when he looked so nonplussed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what’s happening now.
Edit: I just saw this. Wonder if Inter came in for him at the end of the window, we said no and he threw a strop?
Inter eye summer move for Vertonghen after Spurs rule out January switch
Internazionale will make a summer move for Jan Vertonghen after Tottenham rule out January switch
He's come out on record saying he wants to stay so doubt it.
dudu
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My problem is that especially when he and Son play together, their movement is too similar and both tend to drift inside and crowd Kane. Newcastle at home is the example below
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